Originally posted by Shoktek
Good job not being able to counter any of the points I brought up with your own opinions

But you did not bring up any real points, just your opinions. Opinions can not be counter-argued.

...you want scientific studies? Go ahead and look them up yourself...I have seen many studies that prove a lot of the phenomena of consciousness and the spirit world that myself and others talk about, with modern science.

There are two kinds of studies:

a) those done by "organizations" that are involved with the paranormal.
b) those done by well-established universities.

Both studies have failed to come up with any theorems, let alone formulate theories about anything paranormal/spiritual.

The best thing those studies have shown is some possible statistical correlation between events. That is NOT SCIENTIFIC PROOF.

Not that this matters....you, like the vast majority of the modern "civilized" population, fail to think for yourself, without the "safe" protection of someone to back up your ideas.

On the contrary. After having studied carefully both science and paranormal/spiritual hoolabaloo, all I can say that only science is real. The rest is BS.

The universe is a giant machine with exact and specific laws expressed by mathematics.

You already said that you would believe a scientific study more than your own conscious observation...

Oh come on, stop bull#ing yourself. Even as a joke, what you say is pretty lame. My conscious observation does not worth a dime, because it is a subject to my own preconceptions.

you are a follower and not a leader

So what? as long was what I follow is sound and correct...

and it is OK if you wish to leave the hard thinking to other people....

what hard thinking? like the bull$hit you are trying to spread around, perhaps?

I just hope your thinking changes in the next few years before it is too late for you. Those controlled by the system for so long will eventually become dependent on the system...and when the system breaks, where will you be?

more unjustified unscientific BS. No system will break my friend. Humanity is progressing, haven't you noticed?

Dark ages? Are you kidding? Look at the last 250 years of our human history. THESE ARE THE DARK AGES. We are using up our resources...

Yeah, right.

Up to 1800:

-women did not have rights
-brown-skinned people were not considered humans
-people did not wipe their butts when they #ted, nor they washed their hands
-people thought the earth was flat
-people did not have indoor plumbing
-primitive diseases wiped whole populations
-Europe had a major war every 100 years; blood was everywhere
-most people died at between 30 and 50
-communication and travel took many days, even months

now:

-people' rights are well established in most countries.
-so is equality between sexes.
-there are no major wars around the globe(terrorism is not war between organized armies).
-most houses have indoor plumbing.
-most people clean themselves up quite often.
-almost all countries have democracy.
-most people die between 70-90.
-racism is down.
-communication is instant and travel takes hours.

there are so many humans on earth, soon we will be reaching our "saturation point", meaning the world won't be able to support so many humans.

That's hardly a reason to support spiritual mambo-jambo over science. In fact, it is science that will help solve the overpopulation problem.

You, along with everyone else, will ultimately see the changes in the physical world...however terrible they may be, you won't be prepared for them.

Nothing will happen.

Look at the weather

The weather is fine and right on the spot. Earth has gone through many climatological changes, and it will go again in the future.

the wars,

What wars? There is no war in Europe. There is no war in North America. There is no war in South America. There is no war in Oceania. There is no war in the far East.

There is occasional dispute between religions though. Religions again are to blame.

Because our greatest technologies are completely useless in comparison to the power of nature and God...

Assuming God exists and created the universe, it goes without saying that human technology would be incomparable to what God could achieve.

But why God would make such a universe, only to see his children suffer?

God does not exist. Please face the truth. AND START BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS.

Anyway, I don't have any more time to waste trying to show someone such as yourself...

I understand. You don't have any arguments.

but if you decide to come up with any reasonable, independent, thought-provoking ideas, then fine...I'm guessing something like that would require too much from yourself though. Too bad.

...while you have all the thought-proving ideas of the world but somehow you can not prove them??? lol

Dismiss everything myself and others have said regarding these ideas, but you will soon see here in the physical world this shift taking place all around you. I have already posted enough in this thread to help readers find the path...but if anyone has any questions or ideas, please u2u me.

I know where this goes. I have dealt with this in other sites. Sooner or later you will start posting links to sites that sell products that help enchance people's spiritualities, right? like crystals or wisdom plants and stuff like that. I've seen the game quite a lot of times before. It is a sad fact that there are so many gullible people around...

Soon enough science and spirituality will meet and it will be hard to distinguish the two because they are of physical and non physical expressions.Our world is govern by non physical laws that coincides with our physical reality.But it seems that our physical descriptions of the world limit us.Take for instance "aliens" their technology was unfathomable to us because of our physical description of the world.Yet their technology is god like.Spirituality and science are one of the same.The layers of being exist in many forms and in simultaneous realities.Everyone talks to or visits with the spiritual realm, most of the time its sub-consciously.But that doesn't mean you can't do it consciously.Within a set reality is laws that exist, but what if you were governed by new laws since you were born.And by new laws I mean a "description of reality" that defies our laws of physicality.Their are layers of being we can access anytime we choose, if the majority vote was to access this level or layer of being then you are given a new "set reality".This is happening in the now, humanity is seeking a new set of rules to live by or guidelines to follow in a "new layer" of being.Wherever our (mass projection) on a soul base planet leads us is up to the overall projection of our over souls or higher self.Believe it or not we actually meet up in dreaming or in the dream state to become one.We are individual pieces of the puzzle.A new definition of god will reform with its society.Transcending happens when you are willing to go past the agreements made in a (set reality) and create a new world or way of living that exists without time.Think of god as guidelines between you and a set reality.What happens when new guidelines exist ,a new god.God exists within and without.He is the white rabbit off of Alice in Wonderland, there one minute gone the next.To catch a glimpse of the rabbit we must move without time.Time can keep us in a set reality, confined to its limitation of whats attainable within reasoning.Time is a "human endeavor" nothing more, nothing less.When a "higher light" speaks to you its always in human terms because of our set reality.It kind of sounds like this well, in human terms or human mechanics, in human terminology, in human deciphering.They always bridge the gap for us because of our set reality.Time determines our potential in a set reality/state of being.

Originally posted by menguardOur world is govern by non physical laws that coincides with our physical reality.But it seems that our physical descriptions of the world limit us.

Wow, sorry I've been missing these replies in my older threads.

In your first sentance there menguard, I think that may be the exact reason for what I experienced (and still do when I pay attention). And I also believe that the very words we use (physical descriptions, as you say)limit us because, for instance, how can a tree really be described, if you use no words to describe it? Who knows, it may actually be talking to you in some telepathic way that we cannot see or hear because we let that little voice in our heads control us too much.

So I wonder how all this ties in with what Paul Richard and his entities know? Paul?

Well, sorry to have to bail on ya bud, but as I just posted in another thread, I will be without internet for some time to come, so maybe you can discuss it with some others. Peace and yeah, it's a crazy subject, full of wonderment! Bye.

Could you maybe narrow down a little bit what you mean by "God?" I'm still not getting it.

I get this. Often I am typing or on the phone and have the TV on. As I type a word or say a word it is repeated by somebody on TV or who I am speaking to. This is typically words that are rarely used. Key words in a sentence.

The question is whether this is just coincidence or something more. I do not know. But it is like tuning in, as if the word bounces out.

Sometimes I do this trick. It is in many variations but here is an example: I choose a word in a book and remember page number and place and give my subject a choice of three words.

They pick the word I wanted them to choose. If they don't pick the word I say: "Are you sure you want me to have that word...bla...bla... that leaves you with two words......

Or I may guide them towards what seems to be a random specific free choice, example: the word church. I will manipulate the conversation so they use the word church and then I will ask them questions and dwell on that word and then tell them I am going to try something, connected with that.

Basically I manipulate the person to arrive at the page and the line number where the word they chose was. Not that I ever try and manipulate anyone outside doing this trick.

The most shocking thing is how good I am. I feel like I do not have to manipulate the responses much compared to what I need to do statistically, but maybe it is all in my voice, directing them, without either of consciously knowing it.

Either that or many times people give me a word, a page number, a column and a line number and they arrive at their word when they open the book.
I don't know if that is synchronicity, but sometimes it feels like the impossible is happening and I have no control over it.




[edit on 28-3-2006 by Clipper]

Originally posted by CONZPIRACY
I can relate to what TrueAmerican is saying. Whenever I am alone late at night in my house by myself with just me, myself, and I, in bed trying to fall asleep, I seriously hear a very very faint radio playing in the background. Now I know it is NOT really a radio playing because first of all I have all my radios off and there are no radios in the house playing. I am able to hear specific sounds of very low singing and talking sometimes. Sometimes it sounds like a radio broadcast and sometimes it sounds like a song on a radio (no specific songs). It is very strange and weird to me, it always seems to happen JUST when I am thinking about my life or the existence of God and even when i'm not thinking at all. I have no idea what this strange music and people singing or talking are, but I believe it is some sort of telepathic communication frequency I have "tuned into" somehow from either this dimension or perhaps another dimension. Who knows? Does anyone else have anything similar to my strange experiences? Maybe it's not so strange at all just my imagination but I seriously doubt it.

This radio thing happens to me too. I've sometimes said to my dh, "Do you hear that radio playing?" And of course he hears nothing and I still hear it. And this has happened over my whole adult life across several different homes and urban/rural settings. I've never heard it discussed before though.

FLF

cool, synchronisity... but you will have to know it's from God, or you'll get crazy.. at least that's what happened with me. For about a couple of years I experience these things like sounds and happenings around me that interlock with my thoughts, or typing or talking.. And it happens a lot.. I can't switch it off, sometimes. So I went to see a psychiatrist.. The medical explanation for this is a psychosis.. but to my experience I have to conclude it's God, since the antipsychotics did not stop these things from happening and just made me zombie.. incapable of doing anything but listening to clues from what happened around me..

I'd like to use this line to thank God for finally telling me what's going on.. cuz it was driving me nuts.. You Bastard. (hey ©omon, I called U worse things than that )



[edit on 8-4-2006 by phiniks]

I was watching the movie "Walk the Line" today. The movie about Johnny and June Cash.
As I watched the movie, I tried to remember if I had a Johnny Cash cd or not. I have a large collection of about 400 cds.

Well anyway, after the movie went off. I turned off the t.v. and switched on the stereo. I put it on "random play".

Out of all 400 cds, it played the Johnny Cash cd.

Cool huh?

[edit on 13-11-2006 by elaine]

all that lightning and all those sirens can't be a good thing lol xD

Some poor soul must have had his house burnrt down while you two sat there sending more lightning bolts at him

Originally posted by elaine
Out of all 400 cds, it played the Johnny Cash cd.

Cool huh?

Yes! Good going, elaine. See stuff like this happens all the time to people, but they usually just write it off as coincidence. And for those, that's all it is. But you mah dear, were payin attention! *salute*

I think that these synchronised events happen all the time to people, from the moment we are aware the happen, some people can tune into them better than others, some people have them happen to them and they just take it like it's a coincidence.

I think it's very clever that our surroundings can do that for us. The thing I dont get it how to get in the zone to do it and how you do it, I am unsure of what you have to be doing at the time, when does it work best?

~~
Your high school buddy, was an astute salesman....

betcha he doesn't have to use over-the-top-theatrics any longer!

in another cultural way of life, your experience might be considered a
rite-of-passage...you were shown that a narrative could be fashioned
using random events as emphasis that the 'fabrication' was a compelling 'reality'

the abandoned house on a stormy night just heightened your 'awareness'
and viola', random dots were connected into a 'dialogue'/'reality'
~the Tarot readers, use a smaller & contained set of variables, so i tip my hat to your high school buddy !


??
what if the crack of thunder, the leak of rain water, the passing car, the creaking house....were not present at those moments??
-->would your buddy have said...'the pounding & reverberating sound-of-silence
(which we have all experienced in our inner mind) is a proof in itself!'



Appreciate the story & your opening of one's psyche to us....

Originally posted by St Udio
...what if the crack of thunder, the leak of rain water, the passing car, the creaking house....were not present at those moments??

Well I guess I wouldn't have a story then! Ahh, but ya see st.udio, they WERE present. In fact, so much more than that really happened that day and following, that is not in the story, because it would be impossible to list all the events that have confirmed this in my own life.

Seek and you will find. He wasn't trying to "sell" me anything. He was trying to show me something that he discovered on his own, because I know he didn't read any Carl Jung books. Read the story again. I was just as skeptical as any. But through repetition, and opening myself up to it, I finally saw that it is true. And it doesn't mean anything other to me, than it proves something is controlling it. Some force. Somewhere, somehow. And logically to me, I conclude that it is the proverbial "God, Higher Being, Light of the Godforce, Allah, Buddah, Mother Nature, etc etc." Some say though that it could also be Satan. But I don't think so, as my original appeal, if you read the story, was to "God," not Satan.

-->would your buddy have said...'the pounding & reverberating sound-of-silence
(which we have all experienced in our inner mind) is a proof in itself!

lol, st.udio, silence doesn't pound, and silence doesn't reverberate! Silence is...well-Silence, as in NO SOUND! Forgive me, but I don't quite see how that applies in this case.

Great thread. These things have been happening to me for years.

Things like a person suggests I read a book, which I happened to already own, I go home and the book is on the floor in front of the book shelf when I hadn't even seen or thought about the book for a year or so. (Sirius Mystery)

Once there was a heat lightning storm and I would look at a part of the sky and the lightning would appear in that particular spot.

I would think of something and some kind of event will quickly follow confirming that something unseen seemed to support my mental activities.

It is easy to debunk these type of happenings, and I could go on and on with examples, but I won't try to convince anyone.

It is like TrueAmerican has stated, If it is happening in your life and you are tuned in to these happenings you will be shown that it is real. Others won't buy it until they experience it.

As a friend suggested............"The veil is thinning"

Originally posted by TrueAmerican

lol, st.udio, silence doesn't pound, and silence doesn't reverberate! Silence is...well-Silence, as in NO SOUND! Forgive me, but I don't quite see how that applies in this case.

think back,
i assume that you've been in a 'sensory deprivation' situation,
be it a Tank, or just a self imposed 'deep meditation' experience- -

when i got in that 'sensory deprivation' tank...the blackness and the silence
were {{both the silence was deafning and the blackness almost hurt the eyes}}
the experience of silence was so intense that even when i coughed the sound was 'sucked up' so it had no force to it or even a residual memory that a cough had been uttered...the sound was immediately absorbed as it had never existed!!
the totality of the silence almost throbs your whole physical & psychological self.

?How does that apply, you ask?
well your friend, if he was adept enough, wouldn't just quietly nod in affirmation that his thesis proposal was being confirmed(because of the coincindental noises at poingent times~ 'devine intercession'? )
Because your friend would interject that the 'sound of silence' (instead of noises) would suffice as the agent of confirmation that some "higher-power" was interfacing with youse guys psyche adventure....as some sotra PROOF.



?

Originally posted by St Udio
?How does that apply, you ask?
well your friend, if he was adept enough, wouldn't just quietly nod in affirmation that his thesis proposal was being confirmed(because of the coincindental noises at poingent times~ 'devine intercession'? )
Because your friend would interject that the 'sound of silence' (instead of noises) would suffice as the agent of confirmation that some "higher-power" was interfacing with youse guys psyche adventure....as some sotra PROOF.

lol again, St Udio. You're bending my brain here! But I like it.

In no case did he use the sound of silence in itself to try and prove anything to me. And I know that you are stating- that would he have used it as proof, absent the presence of any sounds or events. But isn't that kind of self-defeating? I mean those whole premise here is that events themselves occur in relation to thought, and when one really pays attention to WHEN those events occur, the synchronicity of those events to one's thoughts becomes evident after a while of doing this and putting one's self into "the zone."

This "zone" I speak of is described earlier in the thread, and best works when one is concentrating on more spiritual questions and thoughts in a quiet place, and then at the same time, paying attention to what is happening around you as you think those thoughts. The timing of those events becomes amazing, and will be revealed to you.