reply to post by Jodash
So, the champion of man's wisdom, has left us to figure it all out on our own? Yeah okay, well that doesn't help much.
From your telling of the story it just sounds like God and the Serpent conspired together to get us kicked out of the garden because it was "good" for
us. After all, why did God let the Serpent in the Garden? Was it part of his plan all along? Were they working together? But one is good and one is
But in my opinion you've been confused by the word Knowledge.
In my opinion, there wasn't servitude in the Garden. There was plenty of food and water and no one got sick or died. God didn't want them to eat from
the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil because they weren't prepared for it.
First I'll give you a hint. Eve talked to the Serpent. She already knew how to talk. She already had knowledge. The tree's complete name is the Tree
of Knowledge of GOOD and EVIL! Not sciency knowledge like how you think.
What's the first thing they did with that knowledge? They realized they were naked and RAN AWAY FROM GOD. But once you know the difference between
good and evil you are no longer like a child that runs around naked not knowing the difference.
This is why God did not want Adam and Eve to eat from the tree until they were prepared. He loved his creation and didn't want it running away from
him ashamed. Once they did he had to try and fix it.
Adam and Eve were naked the whole time. God made them that way. God was walking around the garden with them the whole time. It wasn't a problem.
Nobody knew the difference. But once Adam and Eve got their knowledge they now had sin.
As we see this was not a science enlightened knowledge we're talking about. We're talking about something else. A person doesn't walk around naked for
a couple years and then when they're "enlightened" by Lucifer all of a sudden go running from God saying OH NOES MY PEE PEE IS OUT! This is also not
rebellion from God. Someone rebelling from God wouldn't care. Obviously we're talking about a different sort of knowledge.
For Paul tells us
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.
Once Adam and Eve knew right from wrong they were now condemned to be separated from God because of their shame. That's how I read the story.
Your so called knowledge from Lucifer is perhaps not the type of sciency knowledge you think it is. It's knowledge of the Law which separates us from
God and condemns us to die. Or worse, live for eternity in sin hence no Tree of Life for us until we're ready.
You have to understand who wrote Genesis. The story is a metaphor. The story is attributed to Moses who is the giver of the Mosaic Law of the OT. When
Moses wrote the story he was saying that knowledge of the Law, or the Knowledge of Good and Evil, leads to separation from God and DEATH!
This is the type of Knowledge your Lucifer is handing out. DEATH! That's why we have sickness and death. Because we are separated from God and Jesus
(The Tree of Life) because we are ASHAMED of our sin.
The NT teaches that the only person that ever lived up to the whole of the Law was Jesus. This is how he beat death. For everyone else the Law is a
This is why Jesus says Matthew 18:
At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”
2 He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. 3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little
children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
The NT tells us that the Law (Knowledge of good and evil) only brings sin and death and separation from God. We must realize that only faith in God
can save us and we must go back to being like his children to be reunited with him. How Adam and Eve were in the Garden before they became ashamed.
But it's all a metaphor for the Law vs Grace. The story isn't literal. You have to understand that Abraham who passed the Genesis story down to Moses
was from Ur or what was most likely Mesopotamia or modern day Iraq. And in Ur or Mesopotamia they worshiped a giant snake god. A false idol.
So you see the Serpent in the Garden wasn't even Satan. It was a statue.
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