Syria: air attacks loom as Britain and US pledge to use force within two weeks

Gotta wonder about the "new world order" crowd, and their plans for humanity.

Anyway, there's talk of Syrian refugees being relocated to America, maybe Israel can lend a helping hand too. Just a thought.

"Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." --Ernest Hemingway

An aerial view shows the Zaatari refugee camp, near the Jordanian city of Mafraq July 18, 2013 -- roughly 115,000 Syrian refugees spend the summer in Jordan, eight miles away from their homeland.

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Looks like America is going to if the politicians don't stop the insanity. Where are the people in that picture I wonder? Cars, animals, life?

Does anyone else feel like this is a personal last straw, like something inside you is going to break? Anyone else feel like the whole world is feeling the same way? This feels so much different than Libya... maybe I'm just having a panic attack, VMA's are trending higher on twitter than #Syria.

@ewok

So if your not for the comeing Syrian war you hate Merika

Sure if you want to generalize what i said.

@jacob

Do you take Personal Responsibility and Karma on your soul for whatever happens and the people that will die, since you support it?

Would you take personal responsibility and karma on your soul for refusing to change a terrible situation when you could have done something about it?

@Aurelio

Oh so instead of democratically working for change one should just git up and leave?
That's insane.

If our leaders are just puppets then how can they be democratically elected?
Is it really a democracy if all those who are elected just do what their masters tell them?
That doesn't sound like a democracy to me.
But you know that already as you pointed out here..

They all agree 100% on giving up national sovereignty in favour of super-national organizations.
Throughout mankind's history the ultimate objective of nations has been their own survival and now (since '46)
all of them are somehow happy to give up more and more prerogatives to EU/NAU/AU/UNASUR (they are not made up) but also UN/WTO/World Bank/NAFTA/North Atlantic Free trade agreement etc. etc.
Isn't that a little weird?
And bear in mind there is 0 democratic input in those decisions. Elite sign right up to give up their citizens' right to unelected undemocratic super-national organization.

and here

And again I ask, why are citizens' liberties taken away more and more? Why the humongous security measures?

But at the same time both in US and UK muslim extrememist proselitors are left alone and allowed to preach death for the west / death to Christians / sharia law in the UK (or insert country of choice here).
While millions of them either are born here, or get here illegaly every year.

But, at least in Europe, there's such thing as ISLAMOPHOBIC crimes?
No criticism of their radicalism is allowed.

Because of Al-Qaida? The same Al-Qaida we're supporting in Libya and Syria?
How bout that?

If all that is really going on then no one you vote for and nothing even remotely democratic will change that fact.

What about if they ban your Semi-Auto? Or handguns even? They sure want to.
Question is, how many more shootings (read:false flags) will it take? 1? 2?10? 100??

We are way past those numbers and they haven't banned any of those guns yet.
Since that will not happen i don't see why i should worry. Guns are just too profitable to be banned in America anytime soon. When they are, maybe, but by that time i will be too old and tired to really care and would probably prefer to retire in another country anyway...
(I am thinking the Netherlands. Legal prostitution and hash bars seems like a great way to spend my golden years.)


So which is it, are our leaders democratically elected or are they just chosen to perpetuate the NWO Agenda.
Is Obama, or any president for that matter, just a puppet or are they elected officials? Can they really be both?
If this is all planned and there is nothing you or i can do then why should we even bother at all? Why should we argue?

Like i said, bombs away. Our time may not be up yet but it looks like Assad's is.

Originally posted by Thorneblood


@Aurelio

Oh so instead of democratically working for change one should just git up and leave?
That's insane.

If our leaders are just puppets then how can they be democratically elected?
Is it really a democracy if all those who are elected just do what their masters tell them?
That doesn't sound like a democracy to me.
But you know that already as you pointed out here..

But you don't believe that. So why would you suggest for people to leave their country if they don't like the changes brought in the past 10 years?
Are you a totalitarian?
Do you actually agree with giving up your liberties because CIA-funded (not a conspiracy theory anymore!) Al-Qaida might attack?
Wtf.

Originally posted by Thorneblood


If all that is really going on then no one you vote for and nothing even remotely democratic will change that fact.

But you don't believe it is.
But you don't care right? Why?

Originally posted by Thorneblood

We are way past those numbers and they haven't banned any of those guns yet.
Since that will not happen i don't see why i should worry. Guns are just too profitable to be banned in America anytime soon. When they are, maybe, but by that time i will be too old and tired to really care and would probably prefer to retire in another country anyway...
(I am thinking the Netherlands. Legal prostitution and hash bars seems like a great way to spend my golden years.)

When you have the US prez personally swearing an oath about gun-ban you bet it is coming soon, wheter profitable or not.

Originally posted by Thorneblood

So which is it, are our leaders democratically elected or are they just chosen to perpetuate the NWO Agenda.
Is Obama, or any president for that matter, just a puppet or are they elected officials? Can they really be both?
If this is all planned and there is nothing you or i can do then why should we even bother at all? Why should we argue?

Nihilism and Fatalism at best.

Originally posted by Thorneblood
why should we even bother at all?

Maybe cause someone, unlike you, might love freedom and their country for whom their ancestors bled and fought.
And don't reside here just cause of "the best movies and tv shows" or "legal hookers".

Nice waste of bandwidth.

Originally posted by HappyWarrior


Is this it? Are they seriously doing this? If they launch any kind of missile or anything else for that sake won't Russia respond?

I am confused. Russia is obviously protecting Syria and are loud and clear when it comes to any kind of attack on Syria from the west. Why on earth would the U.S, Britain and France go against the mighty bear? What do they gain from it?

ww w.independent.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

The mighty bear has no claws, and will do nothing. Not to mention them protecting a regime found to have used chemical warfare on it's own people is not good politics.

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I think it could be a very wild protest season if a movement gets any momentum and national attention at all. The energy is there, the lack of patience left is there and the general urgency and sense of time being short seems a common one lately.

It's hard to say what the trigger could be but that may be all it takes at the moment?

Originally posted by HappyWarrior


Is this it? Are they seriously doing this? If they launch any kind of missile or anything else for that sake won't Russia respond?

I am confused. Russia is obviously protecting Syria and are loud and clear when it comes to any kind of attack on Syria from the west. Why on earth would the U.S, Britain and France go against the mighty bear? What do they gain from it?

ww w.independent.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

They would gain the Bear ,Putin knows that his hold on power is dicey. Its not really a democracy, dissent is punished, free speech censored etc. The resources of the vast area would be the prize.

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Maybe cause someone, unlike you, might love freedom and their country for whom their ancestors bled and fought.
bled and fought.
And don't reside here just cause of "the best movies and tv shows" or "legal hookers".

For one, i spent most of my youth in Nevada. For me and my experience there has always been legal prostitution. At some point the past Nevada chose to allow this practice to continue. This is simply a fact, a freedom they have been given.

I also reside in Washington State, a place in which a certain leaf is legal. Again, a freedom given to all by choice.

A choice made by the many residents of this state, myself included.

Some in the world, be it for moral or religious reasons, would likely wish to see that change. They don't believe in this choice, they don't believe in that, it's not how they were raised and it's not how they remember America used to be.

But that is not our way, we vote as a group for change and while we may not always agree with everyone's choice we all agree that whatever the choices may be that we honor it. Because it honors our freedom.

We have freely chosen our laws. We have freely chosen who leads us, in every aspect of Washington we choose those we feel are the brightest and the best, the most experienced and the most influential. We do so because we, as a people, cannot agree on all things at all times. We elect them to lead us and make these decisions because we cannot constantly be called upon to make them for ourselves. We elect a President to be the final word, the single voice that we follow in faith. They may not always make the wisest choice, they may do many things to which we do not agree, but they still make those choices for us all.

That is the heart of democracy. That is the heart of freedom which so many have died for in the history of our nation.

That is the freedom that people of Syria seek now.

I believe we still make the best of choices, that in difficult and turbulent times we still freely choose the best of us to lead and help decide our nations fate. I believe that those who lead us forward know the best path even if we do not.

We have freely chosen them to do just that.

In Syria i see a people fighting for freedom, a people that may perhaps have to sacrifice certain morals in order to find and hold that freedom firmly in place, a people who have for years been sacrificing their lives for something greater then themselves and that is the future of their country. I see a people fighting for the lives of their own children. Children who are now dead.

I see a people who are ruled, not governed, by a rich tyrant that cares little for their lives and nothing for their freedoms. I see a nation in chaos, one burning from within and one filled with the kind of danger that could boil up and over into the world itself. I have seen it there for nearly two years now.

The prophecy of the NWO paints the entire world in this fashion. The very philosophy you preach in every post speaks of puppet masters and corporate kings ruling over us all, every death is staged and posed to evoke the perfect response. The continuing sage of the New World Order preaches that there is a small group choosing which country thrives and which struggles in some grand game.

Every time someone claims a false flag event they speak of the success of the NWO and the death of freedom.

Every time they claim that a war like the one in Syria and those fought throughout the middle east are just another game with well paid players moving like pawns they dishonor every soul that has ever died for our freedom. They blame their own leaders for dragging them into another conflict, they blame their people for not standing up and shouting no more and when their leaders fail to listen they blame the New World Order for causing it all.

They should be blaming themselves for they have already given up their freedom by choosing to believe such foolish dreams.

I know no one will actually agree. You don't have to because regardless of the greatest doom porn ever written, you are still free to do so. No matter what road those we have chosen to lead us down we are still very much free.

I believe the people of Syria should be free, whatever the cost may be, i believe those who have died for us would want it that way.

Dont you?

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Because they know the inspection will never take place. The inspectors will oribably be kidnapped, killed, or run out . They have to wait until that happens then on to phase 2.

Originally posted by Thorneblood
reply to post by AurelioMaghe

 

Your right, there are many questionable elements in the rebel forces. Even Gen. Dempsey (Obama's top military advisor) has pointed this fact out repeatedly and has taken it into account in his dealings with the President. This is one of the primary reasons that we seem to have chosen Air Strikes as opposed to the many other options that have been put on the table. The other is probably financial as many have pointed out how broke their own countries seem to be.

As for the UN, they have been there for five days waiting for Assad to give them the green light to begin their inspections, so have some journalists. In all that time they have been told to wait. That's plenty of time to clean up the evidence on the ground but as i pointed out the UK has a spying center right in the Middle East so i believe they have at least some confirmation that they simply cannot divulge for various reasons i am sure you can surmise.

Let's face it. Chemical weapons are bad, we have known Syria has them for awhile and there is at least one journalistic report from May detailing the attacks that took place at that time.

Everyone from Russia to Iran to the US seems to be arming someone there, its a #ty situation of that i cannot argue.

Ultimately though the point seems moot. They are going to do it, and the time frame of two weeks was obviously mentioned to allow for the final evidence to be gathered and presented.

I fail to see why everyone is so bent out of shape over this. This is what governments do. You all knew this was coming from the moment it happened and have had plenty of time to review what has been presented by the media to form your own opinions just like i have.

We can spend all day and night, and likely will, going round and round about this but it is clear to me at least that Obama and Cameron know more then they can say and are just allowing due process to do its duty before they let those missiles fly.

I say good. Bombs away.

Know why? Cause whenever i see a local story in my area or even in my country where some bastard hurts, rapes or kills a child it pisses me off and i want blood. I am sure many of you feel the same way anytime you see a similar story from where ever you may be.

However, when video and pictures of rows of dead children are shown from Syria everyone immediately starts to deflect and push the issue aside citing all sorts of reasons.

So perhaps the real question should be, and one i have asked before but yet to have answered, is that if this were your country or those were your kids gasping for air and dying slowly would you want someone to intervene if you did not have the power to face down your own military yourselves?

Is the life of a child in Syria worth any less then the life of a child in America, the UK, etc?

edit on 25-8-2013 by Thorneblood because: (no reason given)

I totally agree with you. Seeing this has quiet ticked me off as well. My primary concern in this is that the civilians are evacuated. And treated properly and fairly well in a safe location with food and supplies sent in by reserves in the syrian government.

Well the big boys deal with eliminating the enemy. Not ever Action done by Merica and the UN is a congrigated plot like 9/11

They did what they had to do to get into Babylon and secure relics.(Tho i don't agree with how the soldiers treated civilians during the Archeological raid) America is stepping into a country where Roughnecks from Lybia, And god knows where. Thats a major hub for Drug Cartells, Which fund the extremeist religious actions and supply their *troops* with drug laundered weapons.
Pretty sure that's what makes this a problem is because this would be one of the enemies drug ring.
What ever stops those crazy *Idol* smashing Religious Fanatics. * Attacking churches, Sacred landmarks. Is not Okay. And Gassing civilians is also not Okay. If the UN is down for this, I personally am tired of seeing their attitude saying their prophets this their prophets that. If i was in the middle east i would ignore all of those nutters that repeat * I Die for god i kill for god i will follow the orders of the prophet because the prophet is messenger of God and any others are false prophets!* something along those lines.
And thats just standard... thats not even really the extremists... lol.

I am still at the point of wondering exactly who it is that is driving this insanity and why.

I have that horrible dark feeling that the big picture is murkier than we can see. The more I learn about different peoples from all the countries in the ME the more I simply see people like me. None of the ordinary people want any of this upset, they may want democracy but somehow they know its purely a new name for the same old.

I can't get past the thought that when we are broke one choice, (however dispicable and we certainly have all the dispicable players in situ) we get over it by going to war.

What bothers me about this war is in truth a number of things:

that because of mass immigration not all people are loyal to the host country. The war our politicians start in other countries could well end up being fought on our own soil with its subsequent destruction. We also have, albeit probably small, groups of people who have the experience of having been insurgents in the ME and can easily get their hands on weapons, and God knows what.

Any war involving two superpowers such as Russia and USA/EU will inevitably become nuclear, not to mention the loose cannon Israel. The weapons on the ground are so deadly that they kill the future generations of those who survive so its far worse today than ever before. I suspect no one can live a healthy life in areas poluted by uranium tipped weapons and also that the pollution spreads and stays for a very long time.

I also wonder where and who David Cameron is going to fleece to pay for his nasty war efforts, the weak and disabled, certainly not his mates or the Crown, none of their money will be touched and the armourers will make fabulous profits from their death-dealing commodities, I suspect the contracts for this have long ago been signed.

If we allow our politicians to thumb their noses at the UN there is no democracy in the world, we are back to the war lords era.

Well, Russia have finally responded to the west's threats.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Russia said that the West would be making a "tragic mistake" by launching military strikes on its ally Syria as the international community headed for a repeat of the bitter diplomatic showdowns that preceded military action in Iraq and Kosovo.

this will be useful for Russia as they get to try new toys (albeit, the Syrians will be firing it) out and see where they are with USA and Allies etc in modern warfare tech.

Originally posted by autopat51
Might makes right!
how can the west be wrong?

ghj

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Do these politicians have the approval of the citizens they represent? No common man or woman wants war and I have the impression that these politicians have forgotten who they work for.

I think this is an important issue of which these people need to be reminded of...now so often.

~zat~

Planning is one thing. They're always planning something, but to actually go through with it!!! I really do not think that they'll go through with attacking Syria. That would be insane, and stir up the hornet's nest. Crazier things have happened.

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That is why you voted for them, to make decisions like this for you and everyone else. That is the purpose of democracy in the first place. If we spent all our time polling every citizen and getting their approval for every thing that needs to be done every day then we would get nowhere.

Ultimately, blaming politicians for everything is moot because as a country we regularly come to a consensus on who those politicians are be it those in Congress or the person elected as President.

Now we know that the UN does NOT have to give the green light for an all out attack so it comes down too the US and the UK who go first. US most likely followed by the British and French to intervene .

Now lets say within the next hour Obama go ahead and gives the green light what do you all think the next step of action will be. Will Russia stick to their work and carry out an offensive of retaliation to stick up for Little Syria

Or will Russia stand back look at the bigger picture and decide whether bringing the brink of a devastating war is a good idea.

Practically a world war ?

US already backtracking. Now saying they will only do something if its backed internationally: "Despite indications that the Obama administration is leaning toward a military strike in Syria, the U.S. could be hamstrung by its own desire to wait for the say-so from top U.S. allies."

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said Monday that the U.S. would only act in coordination with the international community, according to Reuters.


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