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Women shuck their shirts for Go Topless Day in Vancouver

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posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 06:04 PM
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Some more on the politics of going topless:
suite101.com...

While topless men were once fined on some beaches as a hiccup from late Victorian mores, we're also a long way from the notion that shyness is not a desirable part of masculinity, and that while men should be polite in not shocking the opposite gender, they should also never have anything to be ashamed of (while women, by implication alone, somehow did).

I see the British Isle of Wight has now made laws against obese topless men with moobs (or man boobs).
I've always wondered about that, because there are very fat men on the beaches with really low-dangling moobs. If boobs are the reason to censure topless women, then surely the same should apply to men.
Barcelona plans to clamp down on bikinis and topless men.

In fairness, one should also consider laws against wearing pants without belts and underwear, and people sitting down while the back of their trousers stretch alarmingly low, and the whole restaurant has to look at their crack!

Despite such events, I think society is generally going more conservative, and even topless runners (I suppose males) meet with less approval than disapproval in the US.

I don't mind either way, although I find it strange that religious groups got magazines with topless women banned in most supermarkets, yet one still sees the Men's Health (or similar male "fitness" magazines) on the shelves.

Why don't they ever show a regular topless guy?

Not everyone can look like Wolverine or G.I. Joe.

"Bigorexia" and steroid use is becoming widespread, even amongst schoolboys.
This is destroying the male self-image just as much as beauty magazines do for women.

Here's a 2007 protest in which 111 men of all shapes and sizes got topless at a clothing retailer for men that's known for pushing topless male models as a marketing strategy.
Amazingly, security and staff didn't allow them to purchase anything!
improveverywhere.com...
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posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 06:28 PM
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I agree that the featuring of men with perfect six pack abs and rock hard pecs is just as noxious to the male ego as women's magazines are for the female ego (and both are probably photoshopped to hell and back). Every period has its idea of aesthetic beauty. In our era, it's the appearance of being a super athlete that gets pushed out (though with women, it's still "softer"). I, however, don't see the covering up of the human body as becoming increasingly conservative. On the contrary, it's infinitely less conservative than say 100 or so years ago when this was the norm on the beaches: www.victoriana.com... Both sexes are actually wearing less clothing as norm than they would've even 50 years ago. While obviously the attitudes on beaches have changed considerably over time (exposing more and more), on the city streets, it's not been a totally socially acceptable practice for a very long time. I think that society has a tendency of viewing that kind of fleshy exposure as being more primitive and something that you would more likely see within the pages of National Geographic as a common societal practice.



posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 06:37 PM
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sensational, pleasurable and therapeutic all in one. why ever would we stop women from baring their beautiful art.

motivational, invigorating, optically soothing..

haha i cannot object to this at all lol
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posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by FlySolo
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That's a much better way of explaining it. What kind of woman would want to give that up? Aren't women taught from a young age with Barbie dolls and advertisements that the feminine mystique is the power to landing a successful man?


Not all women come from good homes with loving families and positive social experiences...sadly, there are a lot of women who have been through horrors pertaining to their gender that leaves little time for makeup and dress up pursuits. It's a harsh and unfortunate reality for many.

That girl who looks homely might have had a father who molested her, called her ugly and diminished her self worth at every opportunity as a child. I'm pretty sure with that kind of upbringing the last thing on her mind is marriage before she heals from the traumas endured as a youth. Abusive homes leave little time for make up and dress up explorations, nor do they positively reward domestic chores and responsibilities.

Some girls get pushed beyond their limits in the obsessive pursuit of perfection and never learn to love themselves for who they are, and love their bodies for what they are....and some women never escape the cycle of self-generated internal abuse because they don't fit the "Barbie Profile".

All wounded women need catharsis at some point in their lives....but once again, some feminine psyches are so imbalanced that some drink themselves to death, some lose their lives to eating disorders, some put themselves at the mercy of dangerous men by acting recklessly, others end up using men for all their worth and laughing all the way to the bank, and still yet others take the bodies that have caused them to be victimized and turn them into weapons of war.

If there's one thing the Modern Feminist Movement needs - it's more Wise Women that can help balance the inherent beauty inside every female, and re-establish her to her own mysteries and sense of self-respect without having to resort to battlefield tactics.

Boobies should never be weapons!

*a humble two cents there*
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posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 07:10 PM
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All valid points, and it's uncertain how trends will eventually go.

One thing I do believe is that there's not a major movement for public nudism, and I fear "equality" will increasingly mean men putting on shirts, rather than women going topless.

In SA there's been a lot of dressing up, although there was a racial issue about women's boobs.
White women in the 1980s had stars on their nipples in magazines like Scope.
Actually, as a child I thought all white women had stars instead of nipples.
That magazine was directed at white conscripts, and pretty much folded after 1994, the end of conscription and the legalization of international pornography.
Yet, even under hyper-conservative apartheid, one could buy postcards of tribal black women with uncensored breasts at every supermarket.

Now parts of Africa are almost hyper-conservative, and women have been harmed for wearing trousers or dresses that are too short.
And that's from tribes that still went semi-naked in rural areas in the 1980s!

I can only blame this on missionary efforts from Christian and Islamic fundamentalists.
Perhaps that's simplistic, and cultures have also become aware in the information age that some Westerners get a sexual kick from their traditional semi-nudity.

Only carefully selected reporters may now cover the annual Swazi or Zulu reed dance, during which thousands of maidens present themselves to the monarchs virtually naked.
Even the Bushman (San) diorama in the Cape Town museum had to be strategically covered, after some descendents of the models complained.

But one sees a lot of reaction in different places.
In one documentary about British revelers on the Greek islands, a guy drank himself into the emergency room.
When his wife came to see him in hospital, all the Orthodox women complained that she wasn't wearing long sleeves!

With a rise in various nationalism, I suppose one would also see a rise of conservative values.
Controlling how especially women dress is often a cornerstone of conservatism.
I would expect new laws in many tourist hotspots, especially where tourists go to public areas.
But we'll see.




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posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by benrl
Pics or it didn't happen...



there's goes my beer!



posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 07:35 PM
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Sometimes I wonder if we'll ever grow up as a species. A few women have bared their chest. How dare they break out of the mold in our patriarchal society, and offend our sensitivities. Well, I think women's lips are erotic and sensual. Maybe we need to cover those too. Oh wait, my buddy is a leg man. A good pair of legs really turn him on. Better cover those up too. In fact, why don't we just adopt the Burka world-wide?

This is what happens when you have a patriarchal society, and women are still treated as second class citizens. It's also what happens when you shield your kids from everything you don't want them to hear and see, instead of teaching them to see the world with a proper perspective.

They grow up to be offended by things that amount to naught. Bah! Whatever!

In one ear, and out the other.
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posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by halfoldman
In South Africa indigenous cultures don't view bare-breasted women as sexual at all


However, to bare your thighs is sexual scandalous. When you see bare breasted indigenous African women, they always have covered thighs down to just above their knees. We think of it as "native dress," but it is much more than just that. We're too busy looking at their breasts to notice. To them, seeing western women wear bikinis with tops on, but exposing their thighs for all to see, is equivalent.

Sometimes understanding the entire issue instead of focusing only on what you don't know can change your perspective.



posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 08:08 PM
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I can't say there's a blanket taboo or custom against exposing the thigh, but I've heard that African men are more interested in the thighs and buttocks (even form a black professor), although that's very much opinion.

Looking at tribal dress in SA can go through different decades and tribes, into the 19th century.
Most wore very little outside ceremonial occasions, except loin-cloths.

The general custom of the Nguni speaking tribes (Xhosas and Zulus) into the 1980s was that unmarried maidens went topless, or wore little apart from beads and a loin-cloth.
Married women at that stage did mostly cover their breasts, and wore longer dresses.

I recall though the the San (Bushmen) tribes objected very strongly to women showing their thighs, and their disgust is still visible on photos taken by anthropologists who paid or forced to them to pose naked.

However, one can see the Swazi or Zulu reed dance ritual on Youtube, and there's no particular shyness about the female thigh.
It's certainly more covered by the dancers than other body parts, but I wouldn't say consistently or obsessively so.


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posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 10:21 PM
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Pics or it didn't happen



I wish they would do this in my city



-Alien



posted on Aug, 26 2013 @ 04:23 AM
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FYI, most people don't realize that until the 1930's in America it was illegal for men to go shirtless in public.

Thousands of men protested shirtless and were arrested.

The Go-Topless Day has very obvious connections to the "Octopus" as well.


The annual Go-Topless Day was established in 2007 by a former sports car journalist called Rael, who founded a religion called the Raelian Movement after he said he was visited by a space alien in a French volcano park who told him life on Earth was created by extraterrestrial scientists, according to an account on his website. news.yahoo.com...

Illuminati Linked to Raelians

The 'Evelyn Rothschild' Facebook page contains a central link directly connecting to the bizarre RAELIAN movement - a sinister New Age cult . The group's website states: "The Raelian Revolution is boldly bringing about a complete paradigm shift on our planet." This cannot be ignored, given its claim that a who's who of the world's elite, including Barack Obama and Tony Blair, are its "friends."

The cult is headed by a man they call RAEL MAITREYA - Maitreya being a Sanskrit word for the anticipated 'new Buddha', or 'enlightened one'. The term has been absorbed within New Age and Theosophy terminology, where it has come to mean; the coming WORLD TEACHER. Others, especially bona fide students of the Bible, from many mainstream, non-cult, religious groups, believe this Maitreya to be a future manifestation of the ANTICHRIST. 'Rael Maitreya' is more than well connected:

On the friends' list of the 'Rael Maitreya' page, we find the initially inconspicuous 'Igor N. Grata' - evidently it seems, a preeminent activist within the cult of Raelism:

Igor N. Grata, directly inter-linked with 'Evelyn Rothschild' and 'Rael Maitreya', has no less than 57 Rothschilds and 13 Rockefellers, and a list of the most significant world leaders, entertainment stars, lists of Royal Princes, Sultans, and European Nobility. Film Stars, Society Greats the world over - all directly personally attached as friends to this personal Raelian Cult Facebook site.

Illuminati Who's Who Linked to Raelians



posted on Aug, 26 2013 @ 05:39 AM
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isnt this all due to the over sensualization of female anatomy? as much as i love the female body i wouldnt mind it being used less in marketing and advertisements. western society is very unhealthy sexually...and perhaps normalizing nudity would lead a decrease OVER TIME in the degree of perversion in society. Short term however might be a problem....as there are plenty of people with very little self control...and seeing people naked more often might be a trigger for bad behavior...and that worries me.



posted on Aug, 26 2013 @ 07:53 AM
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The very fact that some people on here are posting about "which" women are ok to be topless, just shows what a problem it still is here.

I say good for them. No two women are the same, and every women should love herself and her body, and not worry about how she is perceived by others.



posted on Aug, 26 2013 @ 07:58 AM
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As a kid I did ask my parents why girls had to cover and boys didn't, but back then did not associate a girls chest with sexuality.

It is a little too late for my male mind to change overnight, so I do not mind them going topless as long as they do not mind me looking and enjoying the view.



posted on Aug, 26 2013 @ 08:34 AM
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I would run around in public topless if I could get away with it where I live. It's 100 F here a large part of the year and honestly when I'm working in the yard even a swimsuit and a pair of cut offs seems like too many clothes for such a hot job. It would be much cooler wearing nothing but a thong and my boots. That's not happening in the middle of the Bible Belt though- they'd bury me under the city jail!



posted on Aug, 26 2013 @ 08:48 AM
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You sound like you yearn to run around topless, if only if them churches weren't around spoiling everything.



posted on Aug, 26 2013 @ 08:58 AM
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Yea yea yea...all flies mostly in the western countries
Let me see them demonstrate in a sexist society


Eitherway, I'm Ok with them walking around topless



posted on Aug, 26 2013 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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You sound like you yearn to run around topless, if only if them churches weren't around spoiling everything.


Athlon it's really, really hot and humid where I live- it's like living on the border of a tropical rain forest and a Saharan type desert. The heat is a near constant- the only question is whether it will be a dry heat or a moist heat each day. Needless to say I wear as little as possible at all times. And I love to go topless...yes, I said it.



posted on Aug, 26 2013 @ 09:10 AM
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So I checked out the gotopless.org website. (enjoy the boobs)


Yet, seems this "movement" has other ties to a semi-cult like "religion" called the Raelin Movement.
Links led me here.
Raelien Movement

and here in this video... the busty lady is wearing a "raelien" necklace.
Video. Gotopless.org

And here is the goofy cult "raelism"
RAELISM



posted on Aug, 26 2013 @ 11:08 AM
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LOL Girlfriend! You need to find an Easy Rider Rodeo Weekend Event in your area. Stay at the campground. Everyone runs around naked. And while they are appreciative of the view, most of the guys over thirty are more interested in the motorcycles.
Plus they give you free beer!



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