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The Chinese Communist Party Rides a Tiger – How to Get Off?

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posted on Nov, 11 2004 @ 09:34 PM
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Sources from an anonymous high-level Communist Party official indicate that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) plans to make the practice of Falun Gong legal in China, and to restore its reputation. In the language of the CCP, Falun Gong will be “redressed.” High-level officials have clandestinely sent out investigators to Shanghai and other areas in China to collect people’s opinions about the “610 Office,” a nationwide network of administrative agencies created to persecute Falun Gong practitioners. The information collected will be used to draft a policy for ending the more than five years-long persecution.
Whole article here:
english.epochtimes.com...

There will be great change in China!




posted on Nov, 11 2004 @ 09:40 PM
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You may have to explain to some of us, myself included, what Falun Gong is. I have no idea. The article never says but the picture implies some kind of meditation/worship.



posted on Nov, 11 2004 @ 10:15 PM
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i doubt this new's credibility.
Fa lungong is a ridiculous "religion",which claimed that can cure anyone of his/her disease without taking medicine.i guess the “hierarch” started it just want to cheat money,(they sells the books and videotapes at a pretty high price)


but as the belivers grown in number,they begin to siege and attack those presses and persons(including the "hierarch"'s mother) who dare issue an negative comment on their "religion".and soon they began to seige the government "at the call of master".


IMO,it is a shame that in china there were so many belivers of the ridiculous "religion".it is more of a shame that western media's distorting reporting on them.(which claimed that they are fight for "demoncracy","freedom" or sth like that)



posted on Nov, 12 2004 @ 01:35 PM
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but the chinese government isnt comunsit since there is a government and there is money and there is borders.

just a little note



posted on Nov, 12 2004 @ 02:26 PM
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So if China is communist then every person has an exact equal ammount of money. Right? Communism is just a pretty name that disguises what those countries really are: One person or one party dictatorships!One person or one party dictatorships!



posted on Nov, 12 2004 @ 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by verfed
So if China is communist then every person has an exact equal ammount of money. Right? Communism is just a pretty name that disguises what those countries really are: One person or one party dictatorships!One person or one party dictatorships!

in comunism there is no money.
yeah they are just rip offs of comunism and ruining their name. i hate countries that do that. i hate comunist countries.



posted on Nov, 12 2004 @ 08:08 PM
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actually,there had never been a clear definition of what's communism.
communism was defined as the authority pleases and the "definition" was changing all the time.

so,in most cases,communism is just an execuse for someone to get the money/power,or to justify a war.just like "demoncracy" or "freedom".

BTW,china now isn't communism,it is "socialism with chinese characteristics"
and those countries which u thought were communism were actually "socialism".of course,the name makes little differences,it is the essence that counts.


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posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 02:03 AM
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Originally posted by Ambient Sound
You may have to explain to some of us, myself included, what Falun Gong is. I have no idea. The article never says but the picture implies some kind of meditation/worship.

Falun Gong (also called Falun Dafa) is an ancient form of qigong, the practice of refining the body and mind through special exercises and meditation. Like tai chi, qigong is a vital part of many people's lives in Asia; almost every Chinese park is brimming by the break of dawn with people practicing these arts.

In just eight years since its public introduction, Falun Dafa has grown to become the most popular form of qigong ever in Chinese history. The major reason for this is that Falun Dafa distinguishes itself from other qigong practices by emphasizing not only physical cultivation, but also cultivation of one's moral character in daily life according to higher principles taught by Mr. Li Hongzhi, Falun Dafa's founder.

Falun Dafa's effectiveness in improving health and its profound principles have quickly made the practice immensely popular throughout the entire world. Since being introduced to the general public in 1992 by Mr. Li, Falun Dafa has attracted tens of millions of people in over 40 countries. Most major cities and universities in the United States, Canada, Australia, and Europe have English-speaking Falun Dafa practice groups.

The people who practice Falun Dafa come from every imaginable walk of life, as Falun Dafa transcends cultural, social, economic, and national boundaries. The practice has spread largely by word of mouth, as those who learn it usually find the benefits simply too good to keep to themselves


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posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 03:00 AM
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Originally posted by Ambient Sound
The article never says but the picture implies some kind of meditation/worship.

Since its public introduction in May 1992, Falun Dafa has attracted over 100 million practitioners worldwide in just ten years. Falun Dafa cultivation emphasizes that one should conduct oneself according to the principle of "Truth-Compassion-Tolerance". Regardless of gender and age, regardless of nationality and race, every practitioner who persistently cultivates his/her heart and practices the exercises has benefited tremendously. Constant diligent cultivation has brought significant changes to many practitioners in both physical conditions and moral values. At the same time, Falun Dafa is gaining worldwide understanding and appreciation, especially in Asia, Australia, Europe, and North America.
Listed below are some awards issued by some local governments and organizations in China, Canada, US and other countries in recognition of the extraordinary contribution made by Master Li Hong Zhi and Falun Dafa to people's mental and physical health. Just as Master Li Hong Zhi said in Chicago in June 1999, "a practitioner takes worldly fame lightly. The award has no special meaning to myself; but to Falun Dafa, the meaning of the award is profound. It represents the understanding and recognition of Falun Dafa by human beings and society." He hopes that more kindhearted people will join the path of cultivating Falun Gong.

www.clearwisdom.net...


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posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 03:06 AM
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Originally posted by suihx
i doubt this new's credibility.
Fa lungong is a ridiculous "religion",which claimed that can cure anyone of his/her disease without taking medicine.i guess the “hierarch” started it just want to cheat money,(they sells the books and videotapes at a pretty high price)


No,that is not the truth. You are cheated by some false reports.

All the books and videotapes of Falun Gong can be freely downloaded at www.falundafa.org. Can anyone make money by selling books and videotapes this way?



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 03:30 AM
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I don't agree a single word.
Qigong is not very popular in china,it is mainly practiced by the aged to keep health,those who do execise in the park are practising KongFu rather than Qigong.Till now,i don't know anyone who practices Qigong,but i do know one who practiced Falungong,it was one of my classmates in highschool.

Falunggong is very well organized,in every city it set up its branches and begins its propogandar.it developed so fast that before i know it,it has already as wildspread as weeds.soon,though it claimed themselves to be virtous, it begins to attack those who dare say a word on them.Lihongzhi claims himself to be the greates Buddha and they are so well organized that they've almost became an army.

i heard that outside china,there are still large numbers of Falungong diciplines,who funded them!!!
there must be sth behind this.



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 03:44 AM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
yeah they are just rip offs of comunism and ruining their name. i hate countries that do that. i hate comunist countries.


What the heck are you talking about?....

where does your knowledge of what communism is come from?

All these people claiming that China or Cuba are not communist countries are out of their minds...and have been brainwashed into believing communism is the best form of government there is....many have tried...all have miserably failed...communism even on paper is a dictatorship... and in real life it becomes the worse dictatorships on the planet...is that simple...



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 04:11 AM
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Originally posted by Oct

Originally posted by suihx
i doubt this new's credibility.
Fa lungong is a ridiculous "religion",which claimed that can cure anyone of his/her disease without taking medicine.i guess the “hierarch” started it just want to cheat money,(they sells the books and videotapes at a pretty high price)


No,that is not the truth. You are cheated by some false reports.

All the books and videotapes of Falun Gong can be freely downloaded at www.falundafa.org. Can anyone make money by selling books and videotapes this way?


You do realize that many of the falun gong practioners are elder, sick and poor people of China who have no computers nor internet, right? The paper books and video tapes are sold with a price and they are not cheap.(120 yuan for a set? not sure, has been too long)

And it is definitely different from Taichi or Chigong, the word Chi means "air", those Chi practice involved "internal energy transfer management" techniques as I call it, since I have been practice Taichi for quite a long time. Falun Gong has no such practices therefore not a Chi practice, its movements are ripped off from different traditional martial arts style (as I have known a few, Tai chi, Bakua, Xinyi, etc), and philosophy ripped from various religions. Falun gong is good for you since it gets you moving like any other sports or activities, but I do not suggest that it is a healthy philosophy or sport since I have read some of their works.

*****
China is socialism, believe it or not. That's why some old soviet school books portrayed China as a traitor of the communist alliance because China didn't follow strictly the communist way.



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 05:30 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib


What the heck are you talking about?....

all those countries that call themselves comunist are really just dictator countries.


where does your knowledge of what communism is come from?

i actually hated comies before i went to school and learned about it. thank you very much american propaganda. also i have read up on it on the internet.


All these people claiming that China or Cuba are not communist countries are out of their minds...and have been brainwashed into believing communism is the best form of government there is....many have tried...all have miserably failed...communism even on paper is a dictatorship... and in real life it becomes the worse dictatorships on the planet...is that simple...

oh really? i agree cuba was well done but china is a diffrent story. it is not comunist. comunism will never work because gangs will rule, thank you very much human nature. well i believe it is the best on paper because everyone is equal. well no shizen it took you that long to figure that out?



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 05:38 AM
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Originally posted by suihx
actually,there had never been a clear definition of what's communism.
communism was defined as the authority pleases and the "definition" was changing all the time.

so,in most cases,communism is just an execuse for someone to get the money/power,or to justify a war.just like "demoncracy" or "freedom".

yeah it is pretty damm random.
yeah there is a type of comunism which sounds better, i was tlking about it here on ATS but i need to find the thread.



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 03:49 AM
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No type of communism is good. Well, at least for humans, because we all have one inherent flaw: Human nature. Human nature is greed. How can we be equal when that person has a beautiful wife? We become jealous. How come I have to clean a toilet and that person sleeps behind his computer while we both get paid the same?

As far as Falon gua, some member said it is a "rediculous" religon. Well, I think all religons are ridiculous, but people have a right to practice what they want. I don't remember Falon Gua group ever talking about overthrowing the communist leaders in China. They should get together with Taiwan =) People who can think for themselves and go on www.google.com without it being censored. WOW! I guess that's freedom. In China you have to go to "International Buildings" to look at google.com, CNN, other world news. Chinese citizens cannot go into these buildins unless that have "special status." Pretty EQUAL huh?



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 10:51 AM
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Not commenting on the issue; just a quick note. Google.com is open to Chinese citizens and has been for years, it's just that many of the sites that will come up in a search are blocked. CNN is accessible sporadically for personal users, since the CCP are happy to let their citizens see the mess that the US is making of Iraq. However, certain links will also be blocked. CNN is only completely blocked in public Internet bars.



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 01:00 PM
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comunism is good but just wouldnt work.
same with anarchy and socialism to an extent.



posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 04:05 AM
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Originally posted by guyverseven
No type of communism is good. Well, at least for humans, because we all have one inherent flaw: Human nature. Human nature is greed. How can we be equal when that person has a beautiful wife? We become jealous. How come I have to clean a toilet and that person sleeps behind his computer while we both get paid the same?

agreed!
although the censorship is not so severer as u said,still,it is quite disgusting that we can't surf the web at will.and this also gave a bad credit to the govnt.


what i want to mention is that,not everything the CCP claims to be wrong is right,not every riot in china is the people fighting for freedom or democray.China is very complicated and shouldn't be viewed in the "western point of view". when your media reports in such ways,it shows that it doesn't know China very well.


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posted on Jan, 7 2005 @ 01:56 AM
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Ms. Zhang Fuzhen, about 38 years old, was an employee of Xianhe Park, Pingdu City, Shandong Province, China. She went to Beijing to appeal for Falun Gong in November 2000 and was later abducted by the authorities. According to people with knowledge of the case, the police tortured and humiliated Zhang Fuzhen, stripping her naked and shaving her whole head. They tied her to a bed with her four limbs stretched out, and she therefore was forced to relieve herself on the bed. Later, the police gave her an injection of an unknown poisonous drug. After the injection, Zhang was in so much pain that she nearly went insane. She struggled in great pain on the bed until she died. The whole process was witnessed by the local officials of the 610 Office (from a July 23, 2004 report on the Clearwisdom website) [1].

Ms. Yang Lirong, 34, was from Beimen Street, Dingzhou City, Baoding Prefecture, Hebei Province. Her family was often harassed and intimidated by the police because she practiced Falun Gong. On February 8, 2002, after a nighttime police raid, Ms. Yang’s husband, a driver in the Bureau of Standards & Meteorology, was traumatized and afraid of losing his job. He could not withstand the tremendous pressure the authorities exerted on him. Early the next morning, taking advantage of the time when their elderly parents had stepped out of the house, he strangled his wife. Yang Lirong died tragically, leaving behind a 10-year-old son. Soon afterwards, her husband reported the incident to the authorities, and the police hurried to the scene to conduct an autopsy on Ms. Yang’s body, which was still warm. They removed many organs from her body while the organs were still radiating heat and blood gushed out. A Dingzhou Public Security Bureau staff said, “This is no autopsy; it is vivisection!” (from a September 25, 2004 report on the Clearwisdom website) [2]

In the Wanjia Forced Labor Camp in Heilongjiang Province, a woman who was about 7 months pregnant was hung up from a beam. Both of her hands were tied with a coarse rope that was hung over a pulley attached to the beam. The stool that supported her was removed, and she was suspended in the air. The beam was 3 to 4 meters (10 to 12 feet) above the ground. The rope went through the pulley, and one end of the rope was held by the prison guards. When the guards pulled on the rope, she would be suspended in the air; as soon as the police let go of the rope, she would quickly fall to the ground. This pregnant woman suffered painful torture like this until she had a miscarriage. Even crueler was that her husband was forced to watch his wife endure the torture (from a November 15, 2004 report on the Minghui website, an interview with Ms. Wang Yuzhi who was tortured for over 100 days in the Wanjia Forced Labor Camp). [3]

These startling tragedies occurred in modern-day China. They happened to Falun Gong practitioners, who are being brutally persecuted, and they are just a few of the countless torture cases that have taken place over the past five years of continuous persecution.

Since China began economic reforms in the late 1970s, the CCP has endeavored to build a positive, liberal image in the international community. However, the persecution of Falun Gong over the last five years, which has been bloody, irrational, widespread, vehement and brutal, has enabled the international community to once again witness the true face of the CCP and the biggest disgrace on the CCP’s human rights record. The general public in China, under the delusion that the CCP has been improving and progressing, has become used to blaming the low morality of the police for the atrocities committed by the Chinese legal system and law enforcement. However, the brutal, systematic persecution of Falun Gong is ubiquitous throughout every level of Chinese society and has completely burst the illusion of improved human rights. Many people are now pondering how such a bloody and outrageous persecution could have happened in China. The social order was stabilized after the chaos of the Great Cultural Revolution 20 years ago. Why has China entered another similar cycle of nightmarish events? Why is Falun Gong, which upholds the principles of “Truthfulness, Compassion and Tolerance” and has been promulgated in over 60 countries worldwide, being persecuted only in China, not anywhere else in the world? In this persecution, what is the relationship between Jiang Zemin and the CCP?


Whole article here:
english.epochtimes.com...

this article is one of the famous now.



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