CIA commandos, US special forces entered Syria: Report

reply to post by Senduko


Yea I'm familiar with Russia's oil empire.

So if the deal goes through, do you think Russia will step in to complicate things and where do we cross the line with them cause disruption in their cash flow?

You bring an interesting point.

reply to post by Xcathdra



Very good point, yes I am the first to say that PressTV is biased but this originally came from the French Le Figaro and I have tried to put in other sources pointing to more than just American forces, for instance I have discussed the presence of the SAS and other sources talking about Western Forces inside Syria.

Yes there is a Iranian and Russian presence also in Syria but that is not what this thread is about.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

 

Yup.. no bias from Presstv at all.... No siiiir...

Of course if we read the section quoted we see that it contains info that its more than just US special forces in Syria...

So not only is the article biased (not to mention propaganda), the people in this thread seem to be purposely fixating on the US part.

If people are going to argue its an internal matter of Syria, then why aren't people complaining about the Iranian forces present in Syria?

Originally posted by Senduko
And for my American members: Why is this important for America : Its all about the Petroldollar; China and Russia are trying to get rid of the PetrolDollar.

Trying?

they already have - China-Russia currency agreement further threatens U.S. dollar

China and Russia have agreed to allow their currencies to trade against each other in spot inter-bank markets.





The motive is to promote the bilateral trade between China and Russia, facilitate the cross-border trade settlement of [the yuan], and meet the needs of economic entities to reduce the conversion cost, according to Chinese officials.



This latest move -- a continuation in a series of efforts by both countries to move away from U.S. dollar usage in international trade -- further threatens the dollar's reserve currency status.

edit on 25-8-2013 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

Iran and Russia have mutal agreements With Syria. They are not breaking any international Law by helping Assad.

The US on the otherhand have no reason to be in Syria or a legal right to support the oppsition. Nor do they have a legal right to attack Assad.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


yes..everyone seems aligned and ready..
this could turn into a real mess quickly.

Originally posted by spy66
Iran and Russia have mutal agreements With Syria. They are not breaking any international Law by helping Assad.

You almost got it.. You are forgetting the UN sanctions when it comes to military aid to Syria. Sanctions that Iran and Russia are violating by continuing to provide military aid.

In for a Penny, in for a Pound...

If you want nations of the world to get out of Syria, then Iran and Russia need to exit through the same door. If not, then why should other countries?

As for your comment about having no right to support opposition, please tell me that you are joking. If you aren't then you are being willfully ignorant. Using your logic one can argue that Iran and Syria have no business being involved in groups inside Israel. Or Egypt... Or Quatar... or Saudi Arabia.

Military Intervention In Syria", US Training "Rebels" Since 2011 And The Complete Grand Plan - The March 2012 Leak

They wanted to grill me on the strategic picture on Syria, so after that I got to grill them on the military picture. There is still a very low level of understanding of what is actually at stake in Syria, what's the strategic interest there, the Turkish role, the Iranian role, etc. After a couple hours of talking, they said without saying that SOF teams (presumably from US, UK, France, Jordan, Turkey) are already on the ground focused on recce [ZH: "recce" means reconnaissance] missions and training opposition forces. One Air Force intel guy (US) said very carefully that there isn't much of a Free Syrian Army to train right now anyway, but all the operations being done now are being done out of 'prudence.' The way it was put to me was, 'look at this way - the level of information known on Syrian OrBat this month is the best it's been since 2001.' They have been told to prepare contingencies and be ready to act within 2-3 months, but they still stress that this is all being done as contingency planning, not as a move toward escalation.

www.zerohedge.com...

Interesting Cable; so this goes back to 2011

What's another war....We can't dig ourselves out of the grave we dug already anyway, so why not make it deeper. Sooner or later we will find hell down there and we may feel right at home.

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

Very good point, yes I am the first to say that PressTV is biased but this originally came from the French Le Figaro and I have tried to put in other sources pointing to more than just American forces, for instance I have discussed the presence of the SAS and other sources talking about Western Forces inside Syria.

Yes there is a Iranian and Russian presence also in Syria but that is not what this thread is about.

Another point.. no where in the Presstv article does it link back to the original Le Figaro article. Ive been looking at Le Figuro's website and have not come across the article they are referencing. This might be because Iran could be using their own title to spin it to support them picking and choosing facts to best suit the articles agenda while ignoring other facts that don't support it.

reply to post by Xcathdra


last I checked the USA does not have a mutual defence agreement with the FSA , big diff.
Although the FSA(up until recently) was an American from Texas so who knows..
Reply to below: Just stating a fact, why deflect?

Originally posted by all2human
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

last I checked the USA does not have a mutual defence agreement with the FSA , big diff.

Way to side step the bigger picture...

Show me where Iran and Syria have a mutual defense pact with Hamas and Hezbollah.

reply to post by Xcathdra


Dude,

I agree PressTV is the propaganda mouth of Iran and we should be very cautious when using it as a source.

that i why I used several other sources in my OP

The only reason i used PressTV was because it had a "stand out" title for the BAN forum

Let me ask you this

Do you believe that it is possible that some NATO military and/or intelligence assets could be operating inside Syria?

Article from Le Figuro - Translated by Bing

Syria the Anti-Assad begin

Bachar el-Assad lors d'une interview, en juin 2013.


INFO LE FIGARO - according to our information, the regime opponents, framed by Jordanian, Israeli and U.S. commandos are moving towards Damascus since mid-August. This offensive could explain the possible appeal of the Syrian president to chemical weapons.

If it is still too early to be able to categorically exclude the thesis defended by Damascus and Moscow, who reject responsibility for the massacre on the Syrian opposition, it is already possible to provide answers to a troubling question. What interest had Bashar Al-Assad to launch a non-conventional attack at the moment where he had to allow inspectors from the United Nations - after have blocked them several months - to investigate the use of chemical weapons?

Operational logic first. According to information collected by Le Figaro, the first Syrian contingents trained in guerrilla warfare by the Americans in Jordan allegedly entered in action since mid-August in the South of the Syria, the Dera'a area. A first group of 300 men, no doubt supported by Israeli and Jordanian commandos, as well as by men of the CIA, would have crossed the border on August 17. A second would have joined them the 19. According to military sources, the Americans, who don't want to put soldiers on the Syrian soil, nor arming rebels partly controlled by radical Islamists, are discreetly for several months in a boot camp installed at the Jordanian-Syrian border, fighters of the ASL free Syrian army, handpicked.

Sense of impunity

Through the summer, their protégés reportedly started shoving Syrian battalions in the South of the country, near the capital. "Their boost would now be felt into the Ghouta, where ASL formations were already at work, but without actually being able to make a difference in the vicinity of the damascene fortress», explains David Ramanujam-Roze, researcher at the French Institute of strategic analysis (Ifas).

According to this specialist in the region, the idea envisaged by Washington would be the possible establishment of a buffer from the South of the Syria, or even of a no-fly zone, which would cause opponents safely, until the balance of forces changes. This is the reason why the United States deployed Patriot and F16, late June, Jordan batteries.

Recently military pressure against al-Ghouta threatens the capital Damascus, the heart of the Syrian leadership. Last July, the spokesman of president Al - Assad had publicly stated that the regime would use no chemical weapons in Syria "except in case of external aggression". The intrusion of foreign agents in the South of the country, for example...

The other reason, if the army really committed a chemical massacre in Damascus, is more diplomatic. Since the month of August 2012, date on which Barack Obama has warned that the use of chemical weapons was a "red line" which, once crossed, could trigger a military intervention, thirteen smaller chemical attacks have been identified, without causing US response. Certainly, the evidence is difficult to obtain, since Damascus systematically blocks the work of investigators of the United Nations. The sense of impunity felt by the Syrian regime is strengthened by the Russian protection given to the UN Security Council. Barack Obama, who, when he arrived at the White House, had proposed to the Kremlin a "reboot" of relations, does not want to break the link with Moscow. The Chief U.S. staff, Martin Dempsey, his senior military adviser, justifies his opposition to an intervention, even limited, by the atomization of the Syrian opposition and the weight exerted by extremist groups.
Des civils, affectés par des émanations d'agents toxiques lors de l'attaque d'al-Ghouta, attendent les premiers soins dans un centre médical improvisé à Saqba, dans la banlieue de Damas, mercredi.


What options?

If the Syrian regime is actually behind the chemical bombing of Damascus, he will cross an additional degree in a conflict that already has more than 100,000 dead. "It is more than a test on a small scale as before. Chemical weapons are now part of the war, where they play a role of deterrence. This is a message to the Americans. It is also a challenge to Barack Obama, who risks losing its legitimacy with its allies in the world, analysis specialist of the folder.

In addition to the clandestine operations from Jordanian soil, the international community, as whenever the crisis reached a peak, reconsider the various military options. Arming the rebels? 'If it is a day we do tell not', said a diplomatic source. Surgical air strikes? Possible, but the solution entails risks of regionalization of the conflict. Special forces to secure and neutralize chemical weapons sites? Israel struck Syrian neighbor several times. But Western agencies are unwilling to take the risk that stocks of chemical weapons are found in the hands of the jihadi groups. Last option, inaction. Is the one which seems to have bet Bashar Al-Assad in Damascus.

There are some discrepancies in the Iranian reporting... go figure..

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
Do you believe that it is possible that some NATO military and/or intelligence assets could be operating inside Syria?

Absolutely its occurring.. My overall point was to demonstrate that

A - Its not new
B - Its not just the US

and C - PressTV cherry picks articles to spin it into something that is untrue or omit information, as they did in this case by reference Le Figaro without providing a link back to the Le Figaro article.

Finally Iran is doing the exact same thing they accuse the west of doing.

Put the 2 articles side by side and you will see how PressTV changed words, distorting the Figaro article while at the same time stating Figaro is the one who said it.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
Do you believe that it is possible that some NATO military and/or intelligence assets could be operating inside Syria?

Absolutely its occurring.. My overall point was to demonstrate that

A - Its not new
B - Its not just the US

and C - PressTV cherry picks articles to spin it into something that is untrue or omit information, as they did in this case by reference Le Figaro without providing a link back to the Le Figaro article.

Finally Iran is doing the exact same thing they accuse the west of doing.

Not that i am trying to pick a fight here dude but...

if you read my OP i am quite clear that i dont think presstv is reliable

I am very clear that its more than just about America

and I link back to a thread from almost a year ago that i wrote that demonstrates that I dont think this is new

rather i think this may confirm what we have always suspected or at the very least give more substance to these suspicions

I think we may be on the same page on this one buddy.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


I should have phrased my response a bit differently.. I am not attacking you so my apologies if its coming cross that way. I am pointing out how some members blindly follow a story so long as its anti-American without exercising due diligence and researching it.

People know PressTV is not completely reliable, especially when it comes to the West, the US and Israel. They just choose to ignore it willingly.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by all2human
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

last I checked the USA does not have a mutual defence agreement with the FSA , big diff.

Way to side step the bigger picture...

Show me where Iran and Syria have a mutual defense pact with Hamas and Hezbollah.

Or a Syrian treaty with Russia. These things only exists in the imagination. Iran and Syria do have some military treaties that suggest aiding the other if attacked but, nothing the would cover a civil war or internal security.

The US and others operate under agreement with 114 nations of the friends of the Syria working group that that recognized the Syrian National council as the leaders of Syria. Military action could also be called requested by either the Arab League or Organisation of Islamic Cooperation both of which Syria is a member. Assads real problem is he has no global support.

Originally posted by MrSpad
Or a Syrian treaty with Russia. These things only exists in the imagination. Iran and Syria do have some military treaties that suggest aiding the other if attacked but, nothing the would cover a civil war or internal security.

The US and others operate under agreement with 114 nations of the friends of the Syria working group that that recognized the Syrian National council as the leaders of Syria. Military action could also be called requested by either the Arab League or Organisation of Islamic Cooperation both of which Syria is a member. Assads real problem is he has no global support.

Syria was suspended from the OIC in August 2012.
Syria was suspended from the AL in November 2011.

reply to post by MrSpad


The Syrian govt. has no support? lol
Would Israeli/Turkish bombings be apart of this imagination? thought so

Originally posted by all2human
reply to post by MrSpad

 

The Syrian govt. has no support? lol who's using there imagination again ?

What nations support Syria?
1 - Iran
2 - Russia

Feel free to jump in and add the other countries supporting Syria.

Ok ladies and gents....

this thread is about news regarding the very possibility that something we have all suspected, that NATO forces are on the ground in Syria, is actually true.

Now I know there is loads more going on right now in the region and this news represents only a small yet significant part of a bigger picture.

but for now could I ask that we stay on topic, lets keep it tight, and stay on topic.

I really want to hear from my fellow members, what you guys all think of this and if you have more information to add then please add it if its appropriate

but can we please not get bogged down in off-topic debates