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Originally posted by izero
People who don't believe in vaccinating should try living in the third world.. Then come back and say that vaccines are evil.
It's not something that should be an individual choice.. It should be mandatory, not just for ones own child but for protection of the heard.
Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
reply to post by TheMagus
you should look up "correlation does not imply causality"
And you should look up the statistics, and see the dramatic increase in autism-related disorders since around the time those vaccines started spreading like wildfire.
There certainly have been cases of brain damage linked to vaccines - but the risk of brain damage from any vaccine is orders of magnitude less than the risk of brain damage from the actual disease.
So you are in favour of doing other natural things too? Like no surgery for example? Walking everywhere rather than using motor vehicles? Not taking aspirin for a headache?
I prefer not to take vaccines. That does not imply that I'm Amish.
Don't jump to extremes, it really shows your intelligence.
no brains - but certainly consistency!
Are you eleven years old or what? Name calling and making extreme assumptions?
Is that the best arguing you can do?
Actually, with vaccines, the vast majority of people CAN escape them!
That is what vaccines do!!
That's what they're supposed to do.
Do you believe everything the mainstream tells you?
no - where did I say that? the FACTS are that there were in the order of 500 deaths and 4000 cases of encephalitis due to measles in the US per year pre-vaccine - so you can expect a return to those sort of numbers should the vaccine be not used again.
You didn't say it, you implied it.
Either you're not keeping up with what you're saying, or you simply don't know what you're talking about.
"Massive controversy" is not the same as it being actually true. the controversy is only massive for those who are anti-science.
Would there be a massive controversy about something if there wasn't evidence to the contrary of mainstream beliefs? I suppose there's no evidence of 9/11 being an inside job, either... don't mind the bombs in the basement, or the detonations. Nevermind the defense forces just HAPPENING to be simulating a drill for that exact terrorist attack-type scenario as it was HAPPENING.
Science is what leads us to controversy, and leads us away from mainstream lies.
Hell, even a wikipedia link was provided backing this...
Avoiding the vaccine doesn't avoid the disease - it allows it. How do you not comprehend that??
I was repeating what you implied.
Yep - happy to look in it knowing I am not advocating doing nothing about disease.
what's your excuse?
I think for myself, rather than letting Nightly News think for me.
Failing to recognize your own hypocrisy is what I expect of pseudoscience believers
Right. Becuase I believe differently than you, I'm a hypocrite.
Like I said, gooooood work.
People who don't believe in vaccinating should try living in the third world..
It's not something that should be an individual choice..
Originally posted by carabao
Greatest quotes from this thread:
"aluminium in the anti anti-perspirant", (guess there's a conspiracy there... I can smell it).
"ausburgers syndrome", (named after inbreeding in the famous German Ausburger family).
"colon telescopy" (ouch, but still better than the very painfull "colon observatory").
gogo you anti vaccination people, you are allmost as amusing as the chemtrail crowd.
The World Health Organization has suddenly gone from crying "The sky is falling!" like a cackling Chicken Little to squealing like a stuck pig. The reason: charges that the agency deliberately fomented swine flu hysteria. "The world is going through a real pandemic. The description of it as a fake is wrong and irresponsible," the agency claims on its Web site.
A WHO spokesman declined to specify who or what gave this "description," but the primary accuser is hard to ignore. The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE), a human rights watchdog, is publicly investigating the WHO’s motives in declaring a pandemic. Indeed, the chairman of its influential health committee, epidemiologist Wolfgang Wodarg, has declared that the "false pandemic" is "one of the greatest medicine scandals of the century."
Even within the agency, the director of the WHO Collaborating Center for Epidemiology in Munster, Germany, Dr. Ulrich Kiel, has essentially labeled the pandemic a hoax. "We are witnessing a gigantic misallocation of resources [$18 billion so far] in terms of public health," he said.
They’re right. This wasn’t merely over cautiousness or simple misjudgment. The pandemic declaration and all the Klaxon-ringing since reflect sheer dishonesty motivated not by medical concerns but political ones.
Unquestionably, swine flu has proved to be vastly milder than ordinary seasonal flu. It kills at a third to a tenth the rate, according to U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates. Data from other countries like France and Japan indicate it’s far tamer than that.
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
But this is what comes with anti-science, psuedo-science, and mindless religion - not all religions are as extreme as this of course, but it does seem that more and more people are choosing ones that are!
Originally posted by ArchAngel_X
Although I would never consider myself anti-vaccination and honestly believe there are major benefits to global vaccination efforts - polio is a great example - I also can't help but think we as a society are starting to rely on vaccination it for diseases and illnesses that in my opinion are not serious enough to warrant it, such as influenza and chickenpox.