Stanton Friedman Debunks Bob Lazar

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Einstein has been wrong quite often, but that is part of the scientific method. Einstein mistakes

This is actually a short list since it doesn't go into the diffusion theory and the energy - momentum theory.

Unity_99

Stealthbomber
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Yeah it could be, MK-Ultra still plays havoc with my brain

But yeah find the degree and come back and post it, I'll just wait here for it

I don't have to find any degree. That man, he is a big wings credentialed person who is not a imbecile. If someone of his credentials says Bob Lazar is for real, please don't keep on with your program, because between him and you, he won.

He has big wings? Where are they?

You do realize it takes more than a confused man on youtube to convince some people. Especially when said man tells us Area 51 had been moved to Tooele.

While we are at it, where is Bob's hydrogen car? All we know about Lazar is he ran a photo lab, sold chemicals via the mail, and got screwed on his pandering conviction. In fact the only evidence that the government doesn't like Lazar was his harsh treatment in the bordello incident. It wasn't like he was pimping the girls.

gariac

amazing
My stance remains the same. There are too many anomalies in Lazar's circumstances to just say..."he's debunked".

The analogy would be to say that there are some holes and things in the Theory of Evolution therefore evolution is bunk. We know that's not the case, and it's, again, not that simple in Lazar's case either.

Just editing to add that one degree doesn't mean squat in this case. That's like saying, we're missing one fossil so evolution isn't true.

edit on 22-2-2014 by amazing because: (no reason given)

The theory or evolution is based on evidence. The theory of Bob Lazar is based on Bob Lazar. ;-)

It would help Lazar's story if he could come up with one piece of physical evidence. Remember he showed George Knapp what he claimed to be a piece of element 115.

Remember too, that we have proof he worked at Los Alamos, despite government claims to the contrary. That should bring up some red flags, and add something to the story. You can't just stop there. Why would the government deny that Bob Lazar worked for them and hide the evidence? We found the internal phone list, listing Bob Lazar. It's these kinds of things, this kind of evidence that should make you look a little further and see that something is not adding up. And not in the way you are saying.

amazing

gariac

amazing
My stance remains the same. There are too many anomalies in Lazar's circumstances to just say..."he's debunked".

The analogy would be to say that there are some holes and things in the Theory of Evolution therefore evolution is bunk. We know that's not the case, and it's, again, not that simple in Lazar's case either.

Just editing to add that one degree doesn't mean squat in this case. That's like saying, we're missing one fossil so evolution isn't true.

edit on 22-2-2014 by amazing because: (no reason given)

The theory or evolution is based on evidence. The theory of Bob Lazar is based on Bob Lazar. ;-)

It would help Lazar's story if he could come up with one piece of physical evidence. Remember he showed George Knapp what he claimed to be a piece of element 115.

Remember too, that we have proof he worked at Los Alamos, despite government claims to the contrary. That should bring up some red flags, and add something to the story. You can't just stop there. Why would the government deny that Bob Lazar worked for them and hide the evidence? We found the internal phone list, listing Bob Lazar. It's these kinds of things, this kind of evidence that should make you look a little further and see that something is not adding up. And not in the way you are saying.

Lazar never worked directly at LANL. He was a Kirk-Mayer contract employee. There was no cover up.

Snowden never worked at the NSA. He was there as a Booz-Allen contractor.

If you are into this stuff, the feds/mil use color coded badges so you can tell what the status is of various workers. You even get different common access cards (CAC) depending on your status. When the press says Snowden tricked other workers into providing "credentials", they probably mean he got someone to provide their CAC.

Now this gets me thinking. After Snowden went public, the feds did their obligatory notice that he is not allowed to bid on or work on government contracts. It is a necessary step since not everyone who leaked information is as well known. Nobody ever produced such a document regarding Lazar because he never leaked any information. Rather he just made stuff up.

gariac

amazing

gariac

amazing
My stance remains the same. There are too many anomalies in Lazar's circumstances to just say..."he's debunked".

The analogy would be to say that there are some holes and things in the Theory of Evolution therefore evolution is bunk. We know that's not the case, and it's, again, not that simple in Lazar's case either.

Just editing to add that one degree doesn't mean squat in this case. That's like saying, we're missing one fossil so evolution isn't true.

edit on 22-2-2014 by amazing because: (no reason given)

The theory or evolution is based on evidence. The theory of Bob Lazar is based on Bob Lazar. ;-)

It would help Lazar's story if he could come up with one piece of physical evidence. Remember he showed George Knapp what he claimed to be a piece of element 115.

Remember too, that we have proof he worked at Los Alamos, despite government claims to the contrary. That should bring up some red flags, and add something to the story. You can't just stop there. Why would the government deny that Bob Lazar worked for them and hide the evidence? We found the internal phone list, listing Bob Lazar. It's these kinds of things, this kind of evidence that should make you look a little further and see that something is not adding up. And not in the way you are saying.

Lazar never worked directly at LANL. He was a Kirk-Mayer contract employee. There was no cover up.

Snowden never worked at the NSA. He was there as a Booz-Allen contractor.

If you are into this stuff, the feds/mil use color coded badges so you can tell what the status is of various workers. You even get different common access cards (CAC) depending on your status. When the press says Snowden tricked other workers into providing "credentials", they probably mean he got someone to provide their CAC.

Now this gets me thinking. After Snowden went public, the feds did their obligatory notice that he is not allowed to bid on or work on government contracts. It is a necessary step since not everyone who leaked information is as well known. Nobody ever produced such a document regarding Lazar because he never leaked any information. Rather he just made stuff up.

edit on 23-2-2014 by gariac because: (no reason given)

You can Google AFD-140124-030.pdf to see one of the lists where Snowden is banned. No such list exists for Bob Lazar because he didn't leak anything.

R_Clark
and endless supply of nonsense from the peanut crew like Stanton.. so if he is debunking Lazar.. then Lazar is likely truthful... Please listen to several of the Douglas Dietrich historical reports for a third view..

I agree! If anyone has the power to erase records it would not be Bob, but it would be our government and fools that have worked for them like good old Stan!

Unity_99

Stealthbomber
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Yeah it could be, MK-Ultra still plays havoc with my brain

But yeah find the degree and come back and post it, I'll just wait here for it

I don't have to find any degree. That man, he is a big wings credentialed person who is not a imbecile. If someone of his credentials says Bob Lazar is for real, please don't keep on with your program, because between him and you, he won.

I wasn't aware I was up against him, but the truth is Lazar has the potential to back up his claims if they were real and so far he hasn't, wheres the Element 115?? he supposedly has it but wont provide it for testing. Hes just another liar.

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I gather you are shilling for this person. Any chance the moderator can remove that spam.

originally posted by: waltwillis
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You are feeding the troll. The post was simply to plug this guy's book. Mission accomplished unless the moderator deletes the messages.

This has nothing to do with Bob Lazar.

originally posted by: gariac
a reply to: hellobruce

You are feeding the troll. The post was simply to plug this guy's book. Mission accomplished unless the moderator deletes the messages.

This has nothing to do with Bob Lazar.

WHAT BOOK?

originally posted by: waltwillis

originally posted by: gariac
a reply to: hellobruce

You are feeding the troll. The post was simply to plug this guy's book. Mission accomplished unless the moderator deletes the messages.

This has nothing to do with Bob Lazar.

WHAT BOOK?

Re-read your spam. It mentions the "tell all" book.

originally posted by: gariac

originally posted by: waltwillis

originally posted by: gariac
a reply to: hellobruce

You are feeding the troll. The post was simply to plug this guy's book. Mission accomplished unless the moderator deletes the messages.

This has nothing to do with Bob Lazar.

WHAT BOOK?

Re-read your spam. It mentions the "tell all" book.

I have never heard of a book called "Tell All".

Please tell me where I could find a copy...

originally posted by: waltwillis
WHAT BOOK?

"Soon, he will publish a tell-all book that will reveal the true story of his awe-inspiring and terrifying experiences time traveling for the US government."

THAT book.

What does your post have to do with this thread? Nothing that I can see.

Bob Lazar and others have been debunked by some folks here on this forum and that question of bob Lazar not telling the truth is how we can make the connection of other people like Bob that are being called liars.

Get it? The pseudo skeptics have no bounds when it comes to calling others a liar.

They also suggest that the folks giving reports about seeing aliens as needing a mental exam at times as well.

I'll keep looking to the sky as you look into the mirror.

originally posted by: waltwillis
Bob Lazar and others have been debunked by some folks here on this forum and that question of bob Lazar not telling the truth is how we can make the connection of other people like Bob that are being called liars.

Well, this thread is about Bob. No credentials. Being debunked by Stanton Friedman. With credentials. Not about "other people like Bob".

Get it? The pseudo skeptics have no bounds when it comes to calling others a liar.

Oh, I'm no pseudo skeptic. I am a full-blown skeptic. Especially when it comes to zero-evidence-Bob.

They also suggest that the folks giving reports about seeing aliens as needing a mental exam at times as well.

And thankfully ATS has a "Aliens and UFO" forum where they can report what they see to their hearts content. Just not in this forum, thanks.

I'll keep looking to the sky as you look into the mirror.

Nah, I'll keep my eyes on the skies. Otherwise I never would have spotted that F117 flying that supposedly was retired.

If John Lear says Bob is telling the truth then I believe he is telling the truth.

originally posted by: waltwillis
If John Lear says Bob is telling the truth then I believe he is telling the truth.

Seriously, Walt?
John Lear??
Wow, there's confirmation.