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Originally posted by NiNjABackflip
reply to post by Itisnowagain
I'm curious what you mean by "control life". I'm fairly certain people are able to judge, refer, infer and act accordingly, and in the process direct their lives in this manner.
Originally posted by NiNjABackflip
reply to post by Itisnowagain
That is what bothers me. Why make a principle out of something we all do anyways? It's like saying we should pump blood through our veins, or that we should grow old. There is no reason to promote it as a doctrine or a way of life or a philosophy.
See you don't see that there is only this moment. You think there are separate things all having control but it is one thing - it is just happening.
Life is happening - no one is separate - there is nothing individual. 'Individual' is a concept.
Originally posted by Bluesma
My position is this-
The state of consciousness which is described by practitioners of "living in the moment"
(such as those often refer to by Itisnowagain, the inspiration of the OP)
Refer to a state of consciousness often catagorized as a "thought stopping" technique.
It is one of many, which include meditation, hypnosis, methods involving sleep deprivation, repetative exercise, hunger....
Originally posted by NiNjABackflip
reply to post by Bluesma
I was thinking—what kind of moments would one practice this "thought stopping"? When one is bored? When one is alone? Or all day?
I am having difficulties thinking about where this "presence" becomes useful. ... I don't see a problem with it at all—but as a doctrine?
The idea is to be selfless. This is all tied in with the "ego is bad" doctrines.
It is ego, or self concept, which is made up of past memories, and future intents and motivations.
It is what separates "you" and "me".
That is the part that is being encouraged to be denied.
Look up brainwashing techniques, and the step which is "destruction of ego".
Originally posted by NiNjABackflip
I accept that language isn't a one to one ration with reality. However, in reality we name things, utilize those names and talk about them – like what you are doing. Us seeing things as separate and individual occurs in this "moment".
However, if one is lost in concepts - one cannot see the non conceptual.
Originally posted by Bluesma
This is all tied in with the "ego is bad" doctrines.
Originally posted by NiNjABackflip
reply to post by Itisnowagain
However, if one is lost in concepts - one cannot see the non conceptual.
Actually, we do the moment we open our eyes. Even when one is thinking he can't help but notice that he is existing. The very act of thinking is non-conceptual.
So is your conception of the moment and your reality. "Life is happening". Concepts. Separation. Individualization.
So is your conception of the moment and your reality. "Life is happening". Concepts. Separation. Individualization.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Originally posted by Bluesma
This is all tied in with the "ego is bad" doctrines.
Ego or false self is an illusion. It is who you think you are. No one else will ever think you are the same as you think you are.
What are you right now without the story of you?
Originally posted by Bluesma
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Originally posted by Bluesma
This is all tied in with the "ego is bad" doctrines.
Ego or false self is an illusion. It is who you think you are. No one else will ever think you are the same as you think you are.
What are you right now without the story of you?
I am familiar with all this dance around to nowhere.
The denial of the physical body, and all it's sensorial experiences, memories, and drives as having any value, importance, or even existence. You know already that I am not looking to a fugue from physicality, from the experience in individual existence, from sensorial experience, so there's no use in trying to indoctrinate me.