Considering all of the issues of spying these days, and the outrage from various sectors, it's no surprise that such issues come up in conversation.
Well, today, the issues of spying via internet, illegal searches, and issues concerning such at schools came up, in a conversation I was having with a
family member. I should have known better, frankly, as this person is difficult at the best of times, but I was distracted, and walked right into the
Well, we had been discussing the usual boring, banal material that is typical for this person, consisting of weather, dinner plans, and the like.
*snore, snore...* Where was I? Oh, yes, the annoying part of the conversation. Well, I was trying to get things set up to chat online with someone
else, and having some difficulties. I mentioned to this FM of mine that I had no intention of downloading Google Chrome to use the chat feature
available there. Little did I know I had stepped into quicksand. She asked why I didn't want to use Google. I responded that they are among the
worst for spying on people, about how I had to specifically block their cookies, because they bypass the normal "no third party cookies" settings,
and how they give date to the government. Well, her responses surely earned her brownie points in the NWO system! Her first comment was, "I don't
care if they track the maybe 10 sites I visit, they are going to be really bored", and "who cares? they will see I read email, go on Facebook once a
day, occasionally go on *various websites* and check the local news site a few times a week big whoop let them look". I was then asked why I cared.
I tried explaining that it was the principle of the thing, that we had to protect our rights or risk losing them. I explained that there were
already numerous threats, and how things were getting worse. It was like talking to a brick wall.
I tried explaining some specific ways that our basic freedoms are threatened, such as parents being told they cannot send a lunch from home, or the
case of the child being told her home lunch, that was well within standards, wasn't "good enough", and being forced to eat crappy school food. Of
course, she pretended to have never heard of such cases. When I expressed that a school should have no right to search all the lunches of students,
she tried claiming it could be "for safety", because they might brings drugs or weapons in them. At this point, becoming quite annoyed, I offered a
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin,
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
In response, she stated, "I'd rather have my child be safe at school"
Mind you, I have tried to explain such things to her in the past, and this is a college educated, mature person, who formerly taught school!
I then explained that this is a violation of the 4'th Amendment. She commented, "if you aren't doing anything why do you care", and, "it is
talking about searching homes not security checks".
So, being the stubborn person that I am, I then quoted the 4'th Amendment to her, pointing out that it says persons, houses, papers, and effects. At
that point, I was told, "maybe you should move to a compound in Montana with the other people who think like you do"
Fortunately, this conversation was taking place over an online messenger, and not in person, because I might otherwise have done something I should
not do. I did tell her she was being stupid, and that a LOT of people care when their rights are violated. She next claimed that the 4'th only
refers to "the government", and not anyplace else. I pointed out that the public school system is effectively run by the government, to be told,
"schools are NOT he government", and, "you really do not know what you are talking about", and, "and how many years did you wirk in the school
system?", and yes, the typo was hers.
To further convince me that she had no clue, she then stated, "the constitution you are so fond of quoting requires tax funded free education for
I stated that it most certainly did NOT, and suggested she read it. I was told, "I have read it and it does ". This, from a former school
I even posted a link to the entire Constitution, online, and invited her to show me where it guaranteed education. Needless to say, I didn't get a
response. I was told that I didn't listen to anyone, etc., and that I was "paranoid", and on and on. I response there was, "So, you can't find
Then, she goes back to the spying issues, so I asked her if she would want someone staring in her windows all day, taking pictures, reading her mail,
and so forth, and she actually claimed (and I wish I was kidding), "I don't care. I don't know anyone but you that does. The people I know don't
Does anyone else believe this??
Mind you, I KNOW she's talked before about privacy, in a very different way. Many years back, when discussing homeschooling laws, she stated that
she loved the ones in her state, because they don't monitor anything, and she didn't think it was anyone else's business how she schooled her kids.
So, there is some inconsistency here.
She then asks again who these companies give the data to, even though I already told her, in the same conversation. She asks also, "
and why should I care if the government sees what sites I go to?", and states, "let them look at *hobby type sites*, local weather and *games* I
don't care". I tried telling her that it could matter, how virtually anyone could be called a "potential terrorist" these days, and listed a few
of the items on lists (such as have been posted and discussed here at ATS), including being Christian, and being pro-life, both of which she is. Her
response was, "some prolifers are terrorists". She even stated at one point that she wondered what I was hiding, since I didn't want people spying
on my net usage, or searching my bags everywhere I go! Ah, the old, "You must be a criminal, or you wouldn't care if they looked." line!
Ever have a day where you wished you could reach through the internet.........?
After all this, she decided she couldn't talk anymore.
Anyone else know someone like this?
For the totally informal poll, how many of you care about protecting your privacy? Yes, I know, this is ATS. I would guess most here care. So, to
make it more interesting, if you can, please ask people you know how they feel about their privacy. I guess what I am looking for is some idea of how
many people think like this person. So, a count of how many care, and how many don't, and maybe some idea of their political leanings, with non-ATS
members separated from the members in the counts.
I find it scary to think that there could be a lot of people like her around. Not people that are simply clueless regarding the threats, but people
that KNOW, and don't think it matters. I also wonder if her being in education is a factor. Has the system been that corrupted, for that long?
This person hasn't taught in close to two decades, and lives in a state that has traditionally been thought of as one that values freedom.
Alright, ATS, have at!