US readies possible Missile Strike against Syria

Originally posted by all2human
reply to post by nagabonar

 

Agreed, but Tarus is not as important to Russia as you may think www.gloria-center.org...
One also needs to consider the military relationship between Syria and Russia, something that is too often overlooked:
The treaty of amity and cooperation, containing 15 articles and signed between Syria and Russia on October 8,1980 just after Camp David Treaty that has been signed on March 26, 1979 is the highest level document which has been signed between Russia and Syria. According to the article 5 of said treaty the parties shall promptly contact each other.in case the peace and security of one of the parties has been threatened for the purpose of eliminating that threat and re-establish the peace. that treaty was a guarantee treaty for Syria. According to the secret protocol of the treaty Russia guaranteed to help Syria with all its power in case of an attack
www.academia.edu...

edit on 24-8-2013 by all2human because: (no reason given)

It is very important for Russia to ceep its agreements for future trustworthy realations between its allies. If Russia steps back on its agreements, it might send negative signals to its other allies. And they might look to the west instead.
With a very gepolitical agressive US, That might not be a good thing.

Russia wont step doen they have some 25 was ships stationed close by.

Originally posted by pheonix358

Originally posted by Thorneblood
reply to post by Monger

 

LOL
I find that funny too....Russia is hardly our friend but it is always America that is lying.
I guess it is just too hard to accept that the world in general is a messed up place and people die needlessly by terrible means every day.
A large part of this current outcry has to do with the many dead women and children, who i hope we can agree should be left out of all such conflicts as much as possible.

A government lying to the citizens in a democracy is a crime against the very fabric of democracy.

When you understand this you will understand what you need to do.

The US Govt are terrorists who use terror against entire free nations.

Country after country destroyed and you still want to support the terrorists.

Way to do .... Not!

P

Well then that must make Russia,China,Iran,Pakistan,and others terrorists who are aiding and abetting Assad using Shia backed groups.

Nothing ever gets mentioned about that on ATS for some odd reason who are supporting terrorists.

Of course the flip side of that is:

The Us,UK,Saudi,Qatar arming them other 'terrorist's those Sunni backed groups.


I beg to differ democracy has been brought to Syria two wolves fighting over who gets the lamb there.

Now liberty on the other hand would be those Syrians get up and give the one finger salute to BOTH sides, and tell them get BOTH get lost.

In fact Both East and West could be considered to be the Lobbyist's.

Aint politics grand ?

reply to post by Thorneblood


Options are fun but claim it was a hoax so ill ask again, can you back that up?

Originally posted by all2human
reply to post by nagabonar

 

Agreed, but Tarus is not as important to Russia as you may think www.gloria-center.org...
One also needs to consider the military historical relationship between Syria and Russia,something that is too often overlooked:
The treaty of amity and cooperation, containing 15 articles and signed between Syria and Russia on October 8,1980 just after Camp David Treaty that has been signed on March 26, 1979 is the highest level document which has been signed between Russia and Syria. According to the article 5 of said treaty the parties shall promptly contact each other.in case the peace and security of one of the parties has been threatened for the purpose of eliminating that threat and re-establish the peace. that treaty was a guarantee treaty for Syria. According to the secret protocol of the treaty Russia guaranteed to help Syria with all its power in case of an attack
www.academia.edu...

edit on 24-8-2013 by all2human because: (no reason given)

I know the Russian political mind. Unless Russia is itself attacked, it will not get into an open military conflict. The treaty does not bind Russia to help Syria. However, what Russia can and will do is supply arms, special ops covert support, push other nations like Iran to join in and create problems in Afganistan. Russia on itself will not start WW3. Assad would be a fool to rely on Russia or China to start a war with US for him. However, he will NOT be left alone to fend for himself also, meaning lots of weapons and asymmetric help will be given.

Lessons from Iraq I & II, Serbia, Libya, Afganistan etc. tell us that US and NATO fought with 1980s and prior era armies which were further hollowed by all types of sanctions. These nations fought all alone and were defeated after long efforts. S-300s, Yakhonts, Kornets and several other higher grades will change the paradigm all together. Even 1 US-NATO ship sunk by a Yakhonts will be tough pill to swallow.

Also, Assad knows the fate that Saddam, Milosovic, Gaddahfi met with. He will use any and all items available to him to counter attack. We will see lots of mess in global matters. HOPE NOT NOT NOT !!! PEACE !!!

reply to post by victor7


Yet no attack upon Israel? Turkey? after there artillery/ air strikes? surely if these weapons were ordered used(knowing NATO is chomping at the bit) the headlines would be vastly different, any thinking person would agree, Alternatively there is the possibility the Syrian govt. has taken advantage of this logic.

reply to post by Swills


I think this thread does it quite nicely.
You should know that, you were involved in it.

Originally posted by wrabbit2000
De-Escalation isn't in his vocabulary.

Now we watch him murder Assad....just like Gadaffi. It won't matter that he doesn't do it personally. He doesn't have to. Like the old saying goes.... All roads lead to Damascus...............on the way to Tehran.

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Obama didnt do anything with Libya. The French an Brits led the way with Libya all we did was just fire off a few missiles.

You know whats funny 4 americans including a US ambassador were murdered by Islamic terrorist in Benghazi Obama did NOTHING not one missile fired at a terrorist camp. Now were getting ready to Bomb Syria over a Chem attack that killed NO Americans. Whats wrong with that.

There are two ways to get US army to invade another country.

1-good old democracy

2-To break American people

That means they put force on American people so that people can not take the momentum and break.

thread

IsfRussia and China stand by and support chemical attacks, it's only a matter of time before the West ends up fighting them. Might as well be now! Lets go!

Originally posted by Thorneblood
reply to post by purplemer

 

It was taken down, like news stories occasionally are, because it was proven to be false. Probably because they chose to use Infowars as the source of their information. Hoaxes perpetuated in the real news tend to make all news look bad.

Instead of a retracted article from Daily Mail, or a piece in Yahoo News India, or Infowars why not post a link or even a picture of the actual emails to prove it?

edit on 24-8-2013 by Thorneblood because: (no reason given)

Heck if you had bothered to click the link I provided to my thread. You would have seen a picture of the actual email. you suggested I post. You can bring a horse to water but you cannot make it drink..

reply to post by Thorneblood


Ok, an ATS thread, great. So do you have a source to back your claims it was a hoax? Was your source in that thread? If so, please link the source.

reply to post by mideast


And to fool American Citizens morally into compromising there own constitution in support of a national enemy, into breaking international law for the attack and overthrow of a sovereign government.

reply to post by purplemer


You know what, your right.

How could that email possibly be a fake. It looks so real that everyone should believe that a major black op was being funneled through this guy. Whatever was i thinking, from now i will just automatically believe whatever Alex Jones tell me to believe instead of using anything resembling logic

reply to post by all2human

And to fool American citizens into compromising there own constitution,in support of a national enemy, into breaking international law ,for the overthrow of a sovereign government.

yes exactly what I discussed in my thread.

reply to post by Swills


Here....a source.
Britam Emails Faked

We were hacked on last Wednesday, Thursday from our e-mails hosted on a public commercial webhosting domain. Some of the material online is accurate, but unfortunately the hacker went on upon himself to create a number – we’ve seen three now – of completely spurious e-mails – normally two-liners, very inflammatory, talking about chemical weapons, Syria, Qatar, Saudi, Washington – very simplistic in their format, because I can’t imagine in what sort of world would have two-liners with such a combination of words, leading to an obvious conclusion, “God, what on Earth is this all about?” So, they were completely spurious and our company isn’t involved in the defense world at all. We do commercial risk management for oil and gas companies in areas around the world. I can confirm those e-mails are completely spurious.

Here is another
MSN-UK

In particular, it quoted one email which had purportedly been sent by Mr Goulding to Mr Doughty, in which Mr Goulding outlined a proposal whereby Britam would supply chemical weapons and Ukrainian personnel to Homs - a city in western Syria - for use in the attack.

Mr Tudor said that, as Associated Newspapers accepted, the article would have been understood to suggest that Britam was willing - for enormous financial award - to consider taking part in a nefarious and illegal plot of the kind described, which would have led to the death, injury and maiming of countless innocent civilians.

In fact, he added, the emails in question were forgeries. They were not written or sent by the claimants - or by anyone at Britam or associated with them - and the illegal hacking of the company's website remained the subject of a criminal investigation. "The claimants had no involvement in any chemical weapons plot and would never contemplate becoming involved in the heinous activities which were the subject of the article."

Mr Tudor said that Associated Newspapers had agreed to pay substantial damages together with legal costs.

Its solicitor, Martin Wood, offered its sincere apologies for the damage and distress caused by the publication of the false allegations, which had appeared on US websites. It acknowledged that the emails in question were completely fabricated and there was no question of any of the claimants being involved - or even considering being involved - in the heinous actions to which the article referred.

"The defendant is pleased to set the record straight."

And a third Sunday Times


Oh and wasn't it nice of Anonymous to post this on their facebook page which is linked to the Sunday Times source cited above.

Anonymous

NVESTIGATORS suspect that Iran may be involved in an attempt to smear the West by hacking a British security company and faking a plot in which the firm was asked to deploy chemical weapons in Syria.

False emails created as part of the sophisticated cyberattack claimed the plot had been sanctioned by Washington and indicated a desire to frame Bashar al-Assad, the Syrian president.

If Assad used chemical weapons against his own people, it would potentially trigger military retaliation by America and Britain.

The hacking of Britam Defence, a company run by former SAS chiefs with many Middle Eastern clients, is being investigated by cybercrime and counterterrorism specialists at Scotland Yard. The security services are also believed to be studying the breach.

Those familiar with the hack say it bears similarities to a cyberattack last year on Saudi Arabia’s biggest oil company, which US intelligence officials have blamed on Iran.

Are we done gentlemen or shall i go on?

Oh, just in case anyone was wondering about the previous chemical weapons attacks in May...here.
New York Times

In light of claims that forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad carried out deadly chemical attacks on rebel-held areas outside Damascus on Wednesday, it is worth noting that journalists for the French newspaper Le Monde reported in May that they had witnessed repeated chemical attacks on rebel forces in that same region.

The journalists, who “spent two months clandestinely in the Damascus area alongside Syrian rebels,” first reported their findings in an article by Jean-Philippe Rémy accompanied by a gripping video report recorded during an attack.

Original french article from Le Monde with video

Reporters from Le Monde witnessed this on several days in a row in this district, on the outskirts of Damascus, which the rebels entered in January. Since then, Jobar has become a key battleground for both the Free Syrian Army and the government. In two months spent reporting on the outskirts of the Syrian captial, we encountered similar cases across a much larger region. Their gravity, their increasing frequency and the tactic of using such arms shows that what is being released is not just tear gas, which is used on all fronts, but products of a different class that are far more toxic.

In the tangled web of the Jobar front, where enemy lines are so close that the fighters exchange insults as often as they kill each other, gas attacks occurred on a regular basis in April. The gas was not diffused over a broad swath of territory but used occasionally in specific locations by government forces to attack the areas of toughest fighting with the encroaching opposition rebels. This sector is the place where Free Syrian Army groups have penetrated most deeply into Damascus. A merciless war is being waged here.

Interview with the journalist

Originally posted by pheonix358

Originally posted by Thorneblood
reply to post by Monger

 

LOL
I find that funny too....Russia is hardly our friend but it is always America that is lying.
I guess it is just too hard to accept that the world in general is a messed up place and people die needlessly by terrible means every day.
A large part of this current outcry has to do with the many dead women and children, who i hope we can agree should be left out of all such conflicts as much as possible.

A government lying to the citizens in a democracy is a crime against the very fabric of democracy.

When you understand this you will understand what you need to do.

The US Govt are terrorists who use terror against entire free nations.

Country after country destroyed and you still want to support the terrorists.

Way to do .... Not!

P

Every country on this planet lies to its citizens you fool! That's how they stay in power.

Here are some facts:

The sarin nerve gas atrocity of Wednesday, Aug. 21, alleged to have claimed more than 1,000 lives, was the work of the 155th Brigade of the Syrian army’s 4th Division, headed by President Bashar Asad’s younger brother Gen. Maher Assad. The poison gas shells were fired from the big Mount Kalmun army base south of Damascus.

reply to post by Thorneblood


There ya go, that wasn't so hard. Interesting they deny the claims & prove its a fake due to email serial numbers being the same.