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Defense Department guide calls Founding Fathers ‘extremist’

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posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 07:37 PM
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So the Department of Defense training says that the founding fathers were extremists. That's quite amazing coming from the Military Industrial Complex itself. If the founders of our nation were extremist than I for one am happy to be in company with them.

Defense Department guide calls Founding Fathers ‘extremist’


A Department of Defense teaching guide meant to fight extremism advises students that rather than “dressing in sheets” modern-day radicals “will talk of individual liberties, states’ rights, and how to make the world a better place,” and describes 18th-century American patriots seeking freedom from the British as belonging to “extremist ideologies.”


The guide comes from documents obtained by Judicial Watch and is authored by the Defense Equal Opportunity Management Institute, a DoD-funded diversity training center.


It's getting pretty exhausting trying to keep up with the traitorous rhetoric coming from these fools. Guess they forgot that without those old "extremists" they wouldn't even be here.




posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 07:41 PM
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I'd say those who would say that are the extremists. Pure and Simple.

The Secretary of Defense needs to figure out what he thinks he's defending if it isn't the Document those "extremists" wrote. Perhaps Chuckie needs sent back to the Senate where I'd expect to hear such pure idiocy uttered.
edit on 23-8-2013 by wrabbit2000 because: minor correction



posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 07:49 PM
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FEMA pretty much said the same thing




posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 07:52 PM
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The Terms extremist and terrorist have lost their meaning in modern times.

Now they both mean the same thing.

Anyone who questions the US Govt stance and has a slim chance of maybe doing something about it, is now an enemy of the state.

Welcome to the enemy frat house.

By my definitions the US Govt is the largest, most powerful group of extremists and terrorists the world has ever seen.

Sad state of affairs it is.

P



posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 07:55 PM
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That's actually the most disturbing thing. It's not just one offshoot department, this is becoming SOP for our government and supporting organizations. Any libertarian minded person in the US is now an extremist. This seems to be the operating tenant of DHS as well.



posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 08:00 PM
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Woo hoo !

I get called 'extremist' on here every day.

Just means I am in good company.



posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 08:02 PM
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Look its such a sad and disconcerting subject that very few really want to look at it.


Street Fighting Man



posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 08:05 PM
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They're likely referring to the sovereign citizen movement.

A legitimately dangerous movement in this country.



posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 08:05 PM
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Woo hoo indeed.

Welcome brothers to the new frontier!



posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 08:07 PM
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here is the thing. The US was founded upon a revolution like MOST former colonies. It is a nation born of fire by common thought. When people GATHER and form UNIONS of peoples like the UNITED states, a Democratic voice is heard from the people GATHERED or "united". Because our founding documents and ideological maxims expressed were of a Democratic voive born of a REVOLUTION, everything of our past can be considered counter to the status quo.

All democracy is pitted against the status quo by nature since it is always at odds with power, in so much as powerful few place their needs over the needs of the many.

So democracy is by nature at odds with power and as such is always revolutionary in nature. That said, anything revolutionary is a threat to established power, which in our case is power of government incarnating as a conglomerate will to all power, fitting mostly to THEIR needs justified only by THEIR survival's POV as the justification for ANY "authority" once again.

Like a young parent mistakenly considering THEMSELVES the only valid members of the family with ANY validity over the rest of the family members or their purpose .

Bad parenting.

It is not that the US is brimming with extremists,no. The US is just populated by a formerly subjected people with an identity of counter culture within its in recent history as a means to be born.

That is the cost of a new nation born in such a manner. The initial stages of "growing. up" are hard years to get by much like how a child copes with becoming an adult.......or a parent learns to become a father or a mother.

Any authority in the first few years of any working and evolving relationship, macro or micro socially speaking, will be distrusted by those with any less authority in the relationship. This in turn will make the authority, no matter how valid to be distrused by itss lesser represented members. In our case it is the citizenry.

When the population matures over generations certain rebellious natures can be set aside as certain totalitarian parenting habits adapt a more realistic and loving approach.

In the US we are still dealing with an "adolescent " population and "a young parent " Government.

It is a living and evolving relationship like any persons relationship with a parent is.

Much like that concept of a union or a gathering of peopls as a family unit. THIS family or union of peoples is inexperienced compared to other countries as far as maturity by the population or the authority here. It is no less a people or a government than a young couple is with their first baby.

Eventually both government and the people learn to live with each other and learn to love each other in so much as they fulfill their role to each other faithfully.

We need to all chill out and look at the long haul. Government and citizenship alike.

They rebel teen syndrome will evolve, the people mature ( grow up) and turn out alright if government isnt like a prick parent. When the parent becomes a mother/ farher and just try to understand the child along the way.

So government needs to stop buying the expensive diapers and having parent temper tantrums. There is a need to let us hit our head as a child learning to walk. So something is learned.

We need to understand our government like we would a parent and our government needs to grow up so we don't have children raising children.

or adolescent teenagers raising kids.

IMO. I would recommended to the parent and the child a similar suggestion. In this case the government and the child,

To the Father/ Mother: The kid is pissed at you for being an A-hole and no that is not OK no matter how much you do for them.

To the child: Its not ok to be a jerk to authority just because you feel slighted. Grow up and stand on your own feet so your voice will be valid and considered if heard.

Both the parent and the child must be respected for any harmony to be achieved. Both the teacher and the student must respect each other for the teaching and learning to be possible and as such for the school to have purpose.

If our country wants PURPOSE, harmony, and any form of relationship as one, we need to think of this all as a family, or a shared classroom. As brothers and sisters, as fellow students and future teachers. As siblings and future parents ...a future for our family must be envisioned first for any success /survival ....or we will be a broken people like a broken family. A closed school for teachers and students alike.



edit on 23-8-2013 by tadaman because: It evolved.



posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by links234
They're likely referring to the sovereign citizen movement.

A legitimately dangerous movement in this country.


No they are not. They are pretty clear it's “will talk of individual liberties, states’ rights, and how to make the world a better place.” That's gov-speak for citizens who believe in true freedom.



posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 08:09 PM
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The guide also repeatedly tells readers to use the Southern Poverty Law Center as a resource in identifying “hate groups.” The SPLC has previously come under fire for its leftist bias and tendency to identify conservative organizations such as the American Family Association as “hate groups.”


This explains everything.

SPLC !

LOL.



posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 08:14 PM
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So, in your opinion, the founding fathers weren't extremists? Just your average colonialist?



posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by curme
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So, in your opinion, the founding fathers weren't extremists? Just your average colonialist?


The founding fathers were every day joes until after all long train of abuses they got fed the hell up, and kicked Britian to the curb.

That was a slow pressure cooker that eventually blew it's top.

Average people who said enough was enough.

That didn't make them 'extremists' ,



posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by curme
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So, in your opinion, the founding fathers weren't extremists? Just your average colonialist?


In my opinion the founding fathers were people who found themselves under the boot heal of oppression with no recourse other than fight. Pretty much the same situation as we are finding ourselves now.



posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 08:18 PM
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edit on 23-8-2013 by Bassago because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by Bassago

Originally posted by links234
They're likely referring to the sovereign citizen movement.

A legitimately dangerous movement in this country.


No they are not. They are pretty clear it's “will talk of individual liberties, states’ rights, and how to make the world a better place.” That's gov-speak for citizens who believe in true freedom.



Yea that's right. All info taken as a whole over the last few decades and they are talking about a much broader number of american citizens.



posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 08:28 PM
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How do they even type that up for print? There's no way they could think they're the "good guys" printing those words. Does it get anymore Orwellian than the government printing propaganda against the founding fathers?
But more importantly where is the outrage?



posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 08:28 PM
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Sounds like the commies have infiltrated the DOD.

-No further comment.



posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by curme
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So, in your opinion, the founding fathers weren't extremists? Just your average colonialist?



They did petition the King and engage in a great deal of remonstration. Even the anti monarchy philosophy of the day was more demonstrative and philosophical that it was a manifesto of sorts. Besides the ground work for rights and the constitution had been precedential in England years before in William of Orange ect.

The heavy boot of the monarchy toward the colonies was an extreme reaction to colonial maturity.




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