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posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by pepsi78
I won't be answering your quotes anymore



Originally posted by pepsi78
I'll promise you squat zero, how does that sound ?


I had a feeling you were not going to hold out for long.




posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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You know, Pepsi, I can see you really are confused in matters of the mythology you are referencing.
Yes, the exoteric texts have an esoteric meaning, however, you must interpret it correctly.

There are three deities you are referencing here:

1. Yahweh/Set/Enlil (Righteous and strict)
2.Jesus/Horus/Lucifer (Bringer of the Light)
3.Satan/Adversary/Serpent/Ningishzidda/Anubis/Thoth (Teacher, accuser, God of knowledge and wisdom)

Yahweh is not Satan.
Lucifer is not Satan.
Satan is Satan.

Three deities from one pantheon.

Yahweh is in no way a Cthonic deity.
He is a storm God and head of the pantheon.

Honestly, I'm telling you this professionally and personally - as I said before, I am a historian and a theistic Satanist.

Before you begin to get a better understanding of esoteric meaning, you must first grasp the exoteric meaning properly.



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 07:57 PM
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You know, Pepsi, I can see you really are confused in matters of the mythology you are referencing.
Yes, the exoteric texts have an esoteric meaning, however, you must interpret it correctly.

There are three deities you are referencing here:

1. Yahweh/Set/Enlil (Righteous and strict)
2.Jesus/Horus/Lucifer (Bringer of the Light)
3.Satan/Adversary/Serpent/Ningishzidda/Anubis/Thoth (Teacher, accuser, God of knowledge and wisdom)


First for Lucifer, you have to understand the notion, Jehovah was the first Lucifer, then came others.
Second the implications of Lucifer and what Luci-fer represents. The first Lucifer was bad, that is the classical Lucifer. Then came others, Jesus was a good guy, Horus was ok just that he got tangled up and wanted the crown, another one would be Zeus, that got the kingship from his father(saturn) that was king
Who ever is king it is SATAN. It's the definition of satan.


Jesus is not Horus, there is a huge difference between them, for starters, one was about peace the other was a warrior.

Yahweh is Adonis, Osiris, Tammuz, Chronus, Saturn. The name adonai is officialy used in the old testament.
This character becomes lord of the underworld.
Enki an Enlil is just another way of putting it, it represents the two faced concept.

You have to understand sumerian mythology, many of the gods under different names that came later are the same ones from the begining, it's the same deities.

About Jehovah here you go:


www.blueletterbible.org...
Use in the Bible: In the Old Testament Adonai occurs 434 times. There are heavy uses of Adonai in Isaiah (e.g., Adonai Jehovah). It occurs 200 times in Ezekiel alone and appears 11 times in Daniel Chapter 9. Adonai is first used in Gen 15:2.

Variant spellings: None

TWOT Reference: 27b

Strong's Reference: 0136

Adonai in the Septuagint: kurios — Lord, Master

Meaning and Derivation: Adonai is the verbal parallel to Yahweh and Jehovah. Adonai is plural; the singular is adon. In reference to God the plural Adonai is used. When the singular adon is used, it usually refers to a human lord. Adon is used 215 times to refer to men. Occasionally in Scripture and predominantly in the Psalms, the singular adon is used to refer to God as well (cf. Exd 34:23). To avoid contravening the commandment "Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain" (Exd 20:7), sometimes Adonai was used as a substitute for Yahweh (YHWH). Adonai can be translated literally as, "my lords' " (both plural and possessive).

Further references of the name Adonai in the Old Testament: Complete list available here.

All coming from adon, adonis or adonai or adoni, this in turn is the same phonician EL that is identified with Saturn Chronus.



Yahweh is not Satan.
Lucifer is not Satan.
Satan is Satan.


Check this passages out from the bible.
This:


Samuel 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

Same thing as:


1 Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.


Also when Jesus tells the Jews that their father is the devil, it's in the bible.


Ye do that which ye have seen with your father” (the Devil)

Ye are of your father the Devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it”.

Jehovan is king of the hill, the devil.




He is a storm God and head of the pantheon.

Yes he is a storm god, Enlil and Enki, Seth and Osiris, Adonis and his dark counterpart his reflection.
Same for tammuz he go's to the underworld, it's the same story they all go there. These are all pairs.
The same can be said about the greek Zeus also a storm god, he got the power by sending his father into the underworld (saturn in chains) there for claming his father's power.


Adonis gets killed by a boar in a myth, Osiris gets killed by a wild boar in a myth.

Tammuz is sent by his wife to the underworld, Osiris go's to the underworld, Adonis is sent by Venus(Aphrodites) to the underworld.



Honestly, I'm telling you this professionally and personally - as I said before, I am a historian and a theistic Satanist.

Well that is your opinion, once they go to the underworld they become storm gods.



Before you begin to get a better understanding of esoteric meaning, you must first grasp the exoteric meaning properly.

You've been hanging around that kabalah stuff too much, there are other things, here is an advice, quit satanism, you would be doing your self a favor.

If you want to be a real satanist just join the masons, they are the real deal.
I would advice tho to quit, it;s eating your soul, consumes you, it will strangle you in the end, and it will blind you from the truth.

God is something else, it appears in the bible as a concept, but it's not a lord, Jesus makes refrence to what it is. I feel it's why so many turned to satanism, because of the father (the lord of old testament) was very harsh, so many adopter and "adverse" position on the other side of the weal, when in fact Jehovah is Satan him self.

If you remain as you are, there is no reciving, because you have blocked your own path to god, the true god.
As I told you and I will tell many, quit Satanism.

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posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 08:41 PM
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First for Lucifer, you have to understand the notion, Jehovah was the first Lucifer, then came others.


This is completely incorrect. The notion of the Morning Star has nothing to do with Yahweh. There is no way to connect him to it, no matter how hard you stretch it.




Who ever is king it is SATAN. It's the definition of satan


Actually, it is not the definition of Satan, at all. King is the definition of whoever rules the celestial kingdom. NOT the Cthonic kingdom. The definition of Satan is the Adversary. The Fool to the King, if you will. And we all know who the smartest member of the court is.




Jesus is not Horus, there is a huge difference between them, for starters, one was about peace the other was a warrior.


Nope, wrong again. Jesus himself pointed out that he came to bring "fire, sword and war." You also must understand that he and his followers were armed to the teeth. You're thinking hippie commune, when you should be thinking Waco.




Yahweh is Adonis, Osiris, Tammuz, Chronus, Saturn. The name adonai is officialy used in the old testament.


Oh my, now He's everyone!
Chronus' closest tie to Sumerian mythology would be Apsu. The chaos that was conquered by the Gods to bring order to the world.

Tammuz/Dumuzi/Adonis/Bacchus is yet another separate God to Yahweh. Yahweh has nothing to do with Him. Again, no matter how hard you stretch it, you can't make it fit, because the parallels you're coming up with are purely superficial, and grossly misinformed.




You have to understand sumerian mythology, many of the gods under different names that came later are the same ones from the begining, it's the same deities.


My religion IS Sumerian - this is exactly what I've been trying to explain to you for the length of our conversation. Yes, they are the same Gods from the same Pantheon. But they are Legion, and you cannot lump them into one great big boogeyman you want to call Satan, just because you don't like them. They are vastly different in character and archetype.

El and Adonai are difficult for you to interpret because they can be both generic and specific. They are not difficult for me to interpret, because I can read 5 ancient languages and realize the nuances. This is where you're falling down. The nuances are myriad and very important.




Check this passages out from the bible


Well, of course. If you read the OT properly, you'll understand that when a destructive suggestion is to be made, Satan is sent to do it. It is part of His job, if you will. This does not make them one and the same, any more than you and an elder, higher ranking co-worker are the same person, if they send you to do something. It really is quite simple.




Also when Jesus tells the Jews that their father is the devil, it's in the bible


Yes, He does this when He gets angry. He did it to Peter, too. That doesn't mean that Peter is also Satan.
Again, this can be generic or specific.

There is no doubt that Jesus and Yahweh do not get along, as they are both vying for the celestial kingship.
But, this does not make Yahweh the same deity as Satan.

Satan is Ningishzidda the serpent. He is not Enlil. There is nothing to tie them together, in fact, I would so far as to call that suggestion absurd.




Jehovan is king of the hill, the devil.


Wrong again. The One Who Sits Upon His Hill is one of the titles of Anpu/Anubis - Satan.
NOT Set. This title has never been, and will never be, referring to Set.




You've been hanging around that kabalah stuff too much, there are other things, here is an advice, quit satanism, you would be doing your self a favor.


Kabbalah has nothing to do with my religion. That is Judaic mysticism. I understand the Kabbalah, just as you should, if you are to get a proper idea of things before you make incorrect assumptions. You should also study Sufism, Gnosticism, Yezidism, etc. It's all connected.

I am a Satanist who practices the Sumerian system. Nothing to do with practicing the Kabbalah. HOWEVER - both systems recognize the need to understand the exoteric and esoteric meanings of the texts correctly. One is for the profane, the other for the intitiated. You can only be initiated if you start to understand things properly.

As for *quitting* Satanism - I'd rather slit my own throat, because I love my God.


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posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 09:23 PM
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This is completely incorrect. The notion of the Morning Star has nothing to do with Yahweh. There is no way to connect him to it, no matter how hard you stretch it.

It does, just because it's not in there in the bible does not make it so, there are other places where this can be found. We can see the story with addonis and the "reflection"

I'll tell you, one thing is to be son of the morning star, and other is to be the morning star. Meaning that Luci-fer is not the light.

Let me explain:
Luci does not equal light but to shine, lucifer is the dark but poses as the light because it is very reflective.
It's what Luci means, when you put the light on an object it will shine because of it's level of reflection.
Now what would shine like that ? Think about it.

Now remember the story with adonis and his reflection

So let's correct it, shall we,
Lucifer does not equal light, but shining as reflective, mirrors are very reflective, in this case it is not a mirror,
but something else. There is only one thing that would make you shine on the inside like that.




Actually, it is not the definition of Satan, at all. King is the definition of whoever rules the celestial kingdom. NOT the Cthonic kingdom. The definition of Satan is the Adversary. The Fool to the King, if you will. And we all know who the smartest member of the court is.

If you can understand what the crown represents, and what adversary really means then you would figure it out.





Nope, wrong again. Jesus himself pointed out that he came to bring "fire, sword and war." You also must understand that he and his followers were armed to the teeth. You're thinking hippie commune, when you should be thinking Waco.

Jesus is not Horus, Horus comes from something else, Horus was never crucified.

Jesus never battled anyone, Horus did, tho they bolth shared an idea, they bolth descended on earth, they were bolth sons, but that is it.






Oh my, now he's everyone!
Chronus' closest tie to Sumerian mythology would be Apsu. The chaos that was conquered by the Gods to bring order to the world.

I did not say he is everyone, he is according to mythology in each culture.
No, it is the phonician EL that is Jehovah.
The apsu is a Babylonian figure, not summerian, you claim to be a sumerian historian yet you mix things up ? in Summeria it is the Abzu, but the Abzu in summeria is not a deity, it only becomes a deity in the Babylonian legends as the Apsu.

Second.
Chronus can't be the Apsu, He has a father, Ouranus, that he castrates and takes it's place, since Ournanos was the supreme god, Saturn took over by force castrating his father. If you want to debate on mythology then fine but get your story straight.




Tammuz/Dumuzi/Adonis/Bacchus is yet another separate God to Yahweh. Yahweh has nothing to do with Him. Again, no matter how hard you stretch it, you can't make it fit, because the parallels you're coming up with are purely superficial, and grossly misinformed.

I am not missinformed, Adonis is Jehovah. He is described in the Bible as Adonai, or Adoni.
Adonis is linked also to the phonician EL that is in turned linked to Jehovah.

EL is saturn Chronus


en.wikipedia.org...
Ēl (rendered Elus or called by his standard Greek counterpart Cronus) is not the creator god or first god. Ēl is rather the son of Sky and Earth.


Phonician EL:


en.wikipedia.org...
Adonis (Phoenician "lord"), in Greek mythology, a favorite of Aphrodite, is a figure with Northwest Semitic antecedents, where he is a central figure in various mystery religions.


Phonician El-Adonis:


Who was the Phoenician god Adon (Adonis) and how did his name become "Lord" ... for God come from the Phoenician god's name of "El" as in "Elah," "Allah,"



From the Bible:


www.biblestudytools.com...
The word of ADONAI came to me: 2 "Human being, prophesy against the shepherds of Isra'el. Prophesy! Tell them, the shepherds, that Adonai ELOHIM says this: 'Woe to the shepherds of Isra'el who feed themselves! Shouldn't the shepherds feed the sheep? 3 You eat the choice meat, you clothe yourselves with the wool, and you slaughter the best of the herd; but you don't feed the sheep





My religion IS Sumerian - this is exactly what I've been trying to explain to you for the length of our conversation. Yes, they are the same Gods from the same Pantheon. But they are Legion, and you cannot lump them into one great big boogeyman you want to call Satan, just because you don't like them. They are vastly different in character and archetype.

Strange if your religion is summerian, you already mixed cultures and confused them of being sumerian.
Satan can take host in anyone, just like it did in the lord of the old testament. Satan is the lower force, the material than can materialise, satanism is materialism.



El and Adonai are difficult for you to interpret because they can be both generic and specific. They are not difficult for me to interpret, because I can read 5 ancient languages and realize the nuances. This is where you're falling down. The nuances are myriad and very important.

Jehova is the same EL'OHA or EL'OHIM it is addressed in the bible by this name.
The phonician cannianite god EL is no other than Jehovah, that is the same Adonis, Adonai, you got things mixed up.



Well, of course. If you read the OT properly, you'll understand that when a destructive suggestion is to be made, Satan is sent to do it. It is part of His job, if you will. This does not make them one and the same, any more than you and an elder, higher ranking co-worker are the same person, if you send them to do something. It really is quite simple.

No, the Dark Lord of the old testament is Satan. This can also be seen in JOB where Jehovah kills Job by playing with his self, one part Jehovah one part Satan. In the end Job dies at the hand of Jehovah.




There is no doubt that Jesus and Yahweh do not get along, as they are both vying for the celestial kingship.
But, this does not make Yahweh the same deity as Satan.

That may be your opinion.



Kabbalah has nothing to do with my religion. That is Judaic mysticism. I understand the Kabbalah, just as you should, if you are to get a proper idea of things before you make incorrect assumptions. You should also study Sufism, Gnosticism, Yezidism, etc. It's all connected.

I did not make improper statements. As for Gnostics why would I be interestind in, it's about Luci the bisexual Goat as Sophia, I have no inrerest in satanism.
Sophia is a guy(ohhh no)




As for *quitting* Satanism - I'd rather slit my own throat, because I love my God.


Well we all make our choices, just make sure you made a good choice. My opinion is that you have not, but I am not the one to Judge you. We are free to make choices.


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posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 10:36 PM
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It does, just because it's not in there in the bible does not make it so, there are other places where this can be found. We can see the story with addonis and the "reflection"


I'm only going to quote a bit of this, because really, Augustus is going to have to come and help you with your Latin again. The rest of it is nonsense. To mix up Adonis with Yahweh is unbelievably silly.




If you can understand what the crown represents, and what adversary really means then you would figure it out.


I think it's you who is missing the point drastically.




Jesus is not Horus, Horus comes from something else, Horus was never crucified.


Neither was Jesus. A certain other member of his family was, though...




Jesus never battled anyone, Horus did, tho they bolth shared an idea, they bolth descended on earth, they were bolth sons, but that is it.


Not true. Not in the least. Jesus was not a buddhist. His group were armed and dangerous. As they should be.




The apsu is a Babylonian figure, not summerian, you claim to be a sumerian historian yet you mix things up ? in Summeria it is the Abzu, but the Abzu in summeria is not a deity, it only becomes a deity in the Babylonian legends as the Apsu.


Wrong. Firstly, Abzu and Apsu are differences in transliteration, only.
Secondly, He occurs all the way back to the Sumerians. What you don't seem to be aware of is that Babylonian magic was spoken and performed in the Sumerian language, as the priests were trained in performing it only that way. The language itself was felt to hold magical properties. Apsu/Abzu/Kur occurs right back in Sumerian times, and is the God responsible for stealing Ereshkigal away to the underworld. He is seen as both a deity and the actual underworld itself. Do you see what I mean by nuances? You're missing them.


Chronus can't be the Apsu, He has a father, Ouranus, that he castrates and takes it's place, since Ournanos was the supreme god, Saturn took over by force castrating his father. If you want to debate on mythology then fine but get your story straight.


I see. So, you are under the impression that the underworld was born of nothing? I think you'll find it was born of the One. You are the one who needs to get their facts in order.



I am not missinformed, Adonis is Jehovah. He is described in the Bible as Adonai, or Adoni.
Adonis is linked also to the phonician EL that is in turned linked to Jehovah.


You are misinformed, if you are laboring under the misapprehension that Adonai and Adonis have anything to do with each other! Sweet Lord of Hell, you need to do some reading! Even the wiki links you provide have nothing to do with each other!


Strange if your religion is summerian, you already mixed cultures and confused them of being sumerian.
Satan can take host in anyone, just like it did in the lord of the old testament. Satan is the lower force, the material than can materialise, satanism is materialism.


Actually, as I have illustrated above, I have not mixed anything up - but you have, and quite badly at that.
As for Satanism being materialism, well, again, you're wrong. You are referring to non-theistic Satanism, which has absolutely nothing to do with theistic Satanism.

Sigh.

You're getting all your facts mixed up, and jumping all over the place, just like you did with your Latin interpretations. You really need to do a beter job of research and understanding. Start out with an open mind.



posted on Jul, 17 2011 @ 03:58 AM
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Pepsi, you should really listen to CodyOutlaw, he is trying to help you.
I totally agree with the essence of his post, and most details aswell.



posted on Jul, 17 2011 @ 04:41 AM
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Originally posted by Schrödinger
Pepsi, you should really listen to CodyOutlaw, he is trying to help you.
I totally agree with the essence of his post, and most details aswell.

Well everyone has his opinion. You don't have to agree with everyone.
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posted on Jul, 17 2011 @ 04:58 AM
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I'm only going to quote a bit of this, because really, Augustus is going to have to come and help you with your Latin again. The rest of it is nonsense. To mix up Adonis with Yahweh is unbelievably silly.

Augustus does not have to help me, Version in Latin means to turn. But he is stuck on the idea.
You can follow that in the thread if you wish.



Neither was Jesus. A certain other member of his family was, though...

If they are interconencted as in heritage that is another story




Not true. Not in the least. Jesus was not a buddhist. His group were armed and dangerous. As they should be.

Were not talking about his groups were talking about Jesus and Horus, in the myths Horus personaly battles Seth. The notion of Horus it's self is something else, as in the name. Jesus and Horus share the same notion because they bolth fell on earth, but that is it.

The myth of Horus comes from somewhere else, from the elder Horus the other Horus of the Egyptian culture, there for the more recent Horus is born.




Wrong. Firstly, Abzu and Apsu are differences in transliteration, only.

Not really, you should check what is summerian and what is babylonian, Abzu is not a deity in Sumerian culture,
only in the Babylonian culture Apsu becomes a deity.



Secondly, He occurs all the way back to the Sumerians.
What you don't seem to be aware of is that Babylonian magic was spoken and performed in the Sumerian language, as the priests were trained in performing it only that way. The language itself was felt to hold magical properties. Apsu/Abzu/Kur occurs right back in Sumerian times, and is the God responsible for stealing Ereshkigal away to the underworld.

Don't mix the Abzu with the Apsu, the summerian abuz is where Enki lives, it is not a deity, it's just a watery abyss, in the creation myths the clay is mixed with the Abzu and humans are created.



He is seen as both a deity and the actual underworld itself. Do you see what I mean by nuances? You're missing them.

There is no such thing in Sumerian culture. The Abzu is not the underworld, I can see how you researched the material.



I see. So, you are under the impression that the underworld was born of nothing? I think you'll find it was born of the One. You are the one who needs to get their facts in order.

I did not say that, just that Chronus is not the Apsu, Ouranus(Uranus was the father of Chronus) you got things mixded up. In some myths Uranus(not Chronus) is born from chaos, in other myths he has parents, and those parents are born from the chaos. (still not the abzu) You see the Abzu is the sweet water, Chaos is the salty water.
But that is the closest you will get to Chronus being the Abzu it's self, you would have to eliminate his father and his father's parents, there is no such thing. I don't know where you get your stories from
Maybe you wanted to formulate and state that Chronus resides in the Abzu, that is totaly something else, like Enki resides in it, but Enki is not the Abzu.

The underworld is not the Abzu, The underworld in Sumerian culture is under the Abzu.
The Abzu is the watery abyss, the sweet water. How can the Abzu be the underworld, the underworld is a dry place in the Sumerian culture, that is located under the Abzu. There is no water in the underworld, it is a dry place heated up by the sun that go's under the Summerian plane of existance into the underworld heating the dry underworld. It is stated in the Sumerian myths that the underworld is under the Abzu, it is not the Abzu.




You are misinformed, if you are laboring under the misapprehension that Adonai and Adonis have anything to do with each other! Sweet Lord of Hell, you need to do some reading! Even the wiki links you provide have nothing to do with each other!

Of course they do.


phoenicia.org...
When Jews encounter the consonants of "Yahweh' (YHWH) in prayer, they pronounce it "Adonai." They might be shocked to learn that this substitution word is related to the Phoenician "Adon" and "Adonis." Further, Muslims, Jews and Arabic-speaking or Aramaic/Syriac-speaking Christians might be shocked also to learn that their words for God come from the Phoenician god's name of "El" as in "Elah," "Allah," "Elahona," "Eloh," "Elohaino," "Eli," "Eloi," "Elohak"...etc .

Read more: Phoenician Adon (Adonis) became Lord of the Hebrews phoenicia.org...


The genesis story from the bible is also Phonician, one version of it, as there are two versions of genesis, one of them is Phonician/Canianite, it is taken from there and glued with another older myth comming from ancient times.

More proof.
We know that Jehovas consort was Asherah, she is Astarte consort of Adonis.
Asherah is mentioned in the bible but as a bush/tree, she was cut out of the bible, edited out, we know of this, history shows the same thing, some hebrew cults worshiped the goddess, untill it was outlawed.



Here you go:


Adonis is a young fertility god, a comely youth beloved by Astarte, and represents death and rebirth in an oriental vegetation cult. He is also known as the agricultural divinity named Eshmun.

Read more: Phoenician Adon (Adonis) became Lord of the Hebrews phoenicia.org...

We can see from this the same Saturnial agricultural deity, Saturn=Jehovah=Sabath=Saturday, from SAT-URN-DAY.


Asherah=Astarte


en.wikipedia.org...
Astarte[1] (Greek Ἀστάρτη, "Astártē") is the Greek name of a goddess known throughout the Eastern Mediterranean from the Bronze Age to Classical times. Originally the deified evening star, she is found as Ugaritic 𐎓𐎘𐎚𐎗𐎚 ‘ṯtrt ("‘Aṯtart" or "‘Athtart"); Phoenician "‘shtrt" (‘Ashtart); and Hebrew עשתרת (Ashtoret, singular, or Ashtarot, plural), and appears in Akkadian as 𒀭𒊍𒁯𒌓 D, the grammatically masculine name of the goddess Ishtar; the form Astartu is used to describe her age.[2] The name appears also in Etruscan as 𐌖𐌍𐌉 𐌀𐌔𐌕𐌛𐌄 Uni-Astre (Pyrgi Tablets), Ishtar or Ashtart.

Astarte is no other than Venus, Ishtar, Inanna. The mother of harlots.

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The special edition.
Now for Lucifer
Adonis is Lucifer, he falls into the underworld, as a child. Adonis is the falling star, the shining .
We know that Aprodities /Astare/Venus adopted the child and sent him to the underworld, tho he is not originaly her's she adopted him as a child and as a lover, making adonis the son of the morning star (Venus)
The morning star is Venus/Aphrodite her son is adonis the adopted child.
I'll tell you one thing, it's not Jehova's fault, she turned him into a monster.



en.wikipedia.org...
Because of her beauty other gods feared that jealousy would interrupt the peace among them and lead to war, and so Zeus married her to Hephaestus, who was not viewed as a threat. Aphrodite had many lovers, both gods like Ares, and men like Anchises. Aphrodite also became instrumental in the Eros and Psyche legend, and later was both Adonis' lover and his surrogate mother. Many lesser beings were said to be children of Aphrodite.


The truth suck huh ? some don't like it.

Adonis from there on go's to become a storm god in the underword, the well known Hebrew Lord YAHWEH, god of the storms.
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Actually, as I have illustrated above, I have not mixed anything up - but you have, and quite badly at that.
As for Satanism being materialism, well, again, you're wrong. You are referring to non-theistic Satanism, which has absolutely nothing to do with theistic Satanism.

You have mixed cultures, The Abzu is Summerian the Apsu is Babylonian. As for satanism the original notion of satanism is represented by materialism, I don't know what other branches sprang from Satanism, and it is not my interest to find out as I have no interest in Satanism.



You're getting all your facts mixed up, and jumping all over the place, just like you did with your Latin interpretations. You really need to do a beter job of research and understanding. Start out with an open mind.

I am not mixed up. It is you who is mixing stuff up.

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You really need to do a beter job of research and understanding. Start out with an open mind.

There is no place for such thing in terms of moderation, an full open minded will asimilate anything, even if it's not the truth. A filter must be applied to stop the dirt from entering leaving only a "ration" or portion, ration from rational.
Being too open minded will get you drunk, and will render you not to see the other side, it is important that we look at bolth sides of the coin.

Say, what if Moderators on ATS became what you state, they would no longer be moderators, as a moderator asks for moderation. We are to show moderation in everything we do.

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Not really, you should check what is summerian and what is babylonian, Abzu is not a deity in Sumerian culture,
only in the Babylonian culture Apsu becomes a deity.


You are incorrect. You're confused by the fact that He exists both as a place, and the anthropomorphic personification of that place simultaneously. He was the Primordial Lord, both the waters and the Deity. The salt waters have always been feminine. He is the masculine sweet waters. This is where the idea of the abyss comes from. From Lord Abzu. Apsu only continues the myth in Babylonian, where Marduk was given prominence and the creation myths were re-written to accomodate that fact. If you read the tablets, you'd see that the Abzu contains Kur, or vice-versa. They are one and the same.


Don't mix the Abzu with the Apsu, the summerian abuz is where Enki lives, it is not a deity, it's just a watery abyss, in the creation myths the clay is mixed with the Abzu and humans are created.


Sigh. With His semen, yes. Hence, humans are demi-Gods.


More proof.
We know that Jehovas consort was Asherah, she is Astarte consort of Adonis.
Asherah is mentioned in the bible but as a bush/tree, she was cut out of the bible, edited out, we know of this, history shows the same thing, some hebrew cults worshiped the goddess, untill it was outlawed.


If you knew anything about Canaanite religion, you'd see how ridiculous this is. Asherah and Astarte both occur as separate goddeses in Canaanite pantheons. They are never the same goddess. Honestly, please do read more. It was the Greeks who used Astarte to refer to both Asherah and Astarte - as they did with most things, they jumbled them together. Much like you do. Try starting with Mircea Eliade's books.

Also, your own source at phoenicia.org tells you that you are wrong.Read it again and come back here, then. Or I can point out where it tells you that Adonai can be both specific and generic, and was used as a substitutary name for Yahweh. Much as I told you before. The bible itself refers to the weeping for Tammuz and how this is verboten for the Jews. They inherited their monotheism from the Hittites, who worshipped Set exclusively.

Another thing I should point out, is that you cannot lump every deity who goes to the Underworld into just one God. You do know that this is a right of passage and so many of them went through it. This was later re-enacted through the Phaoronic death ritual and the baptisms of John the Baptist.



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Ahhh good you responed.



You are incorrect. You're confused by the fact that He exists both as a place, and the anthropomorphic personification of that place simultaneously. He was the Primordial Lord, both the waters and the Deity. The salt waters have always been feminine.

Yes but that is only mentioned in Babylonian myth, the deification of the Apsu, it's not part of the Sumerian culture. If it is please provide a source with the information.



He is the masculine sweet waters. This is where the idea of the abyss comes from. From Lord Abzu. Apsu only continues the myth in Babylonian, where Marduk was given prominence and the creation myths were re-written to accomodate that fact. If you read the tablets, you'd see that the Abzu contains Kur, or vice-versa. They are one and the same.

Markuk is part of the Babylonian culture, he apears no where in the sumerian culture, if you want to study summerian culture, then stick to the sumerian, the babylonians inflated the stories, colored them.
Babylon was indeed very colorful.The truth is in black and white. The rest is how should I put it "Imagination"
A beautiful gift we bear from god or we would all bore out of our miseries. Not that imagination has not got it's own truth, it does, with imagination you will get very far. You may disagree since you are a satanist. These are Babylonian stories and have no place in the Sumerian culture.





If you knew anything about Canaanite religion, you'd see how ridiculous this is. Asherah and Astarte both occur as separate goddeses in Canaanite pantheons. They are never the same goddess. Honestly, please do read more. It was the Greeks who used Astarte to refer to both Asherah and Astarte - as they did with most things, they jumbled them together. Much like you do. Try starting with Mircea Eliade's books.

It's the same goddess, she is translated as the same name, she appears as a dual personification because one version older than the other.

She is the wife of adonis phonician cannan otherwise known as EL (Jehovah) It's a dual personification of the goddess.



www.mesacc.edu...
The most significant find was a collection of texts found at the site of an ancient city called Ugarit. Although the pantheon of the Canaanites who settled at Ugarit was headed by masculine deities, the feminine counterparts were not silent partners. Two female members of the pantheon are of particular note: Asherah (or sometimes Athirat) and Astarte. Asherah was one of the two wives of El, the chief god of the pantheon. Astarte was a goddess whose name appears in a list of deities who are to receive sacrifices; however, her name has been preserved by other cultures. At some point in time, these two goddesses were apparently mingled. Of the two, Asherah most closely parallels other �divine mother� goddesses such as Inanna who were common within the region.




www.topical-bible-studies.org...
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance: Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary:
"842. asherah ... Asherah (or Astarte) a Phoenician goddess; also an image of the same: —grove."


She is the same Ostara, O-STAR-A from the morning star, the star. O-star-a.



www.swedenborgstudy.com...
aphrodite—Venus Astarte

Of all the Graeco-Roman divinities there is none whose signification is so self-evident to a Newchurchman as that of Aphrodite or Venus Astarte, the beautiful goddess of love. Love is a general term, including every variety and degree of affection, and all the goddesses represented some special affection or love. Aphrodite, however, personified a most distinct and yet most universal love, a love which is beauty itself, attraction itself, happiness itself, and innocence itself,—the love which conjoins man with woman and good with truth, and which therefore is termed Conjugial Love. Hence the goddess of beauty is also the goddess of marriage and domestic happiness, the patroness of laughter and innocent pleasure, the genius presiding over gardens and flowers, and the special guardian of children and young people.


Asherah is the same Venus.


interferencetheory.com...
The reason for my message was to propose a possible connection of these Bosnian pyramids to the Babylonian pantheon of Ba'al, Asherah and Lilith likely descended from a much older Vedic fertility cosmology. The Babylonian or Akkadian (ancient Hebrew) pantheon defines Asherah (Venus) as the wife of Ba'al (the Solar serpent) and Lilith (Moon) as Ba'al's mother into the Underworld or afterlife. This was different from the assignment previously presumed for the Bosnian symbolism.




Also, your own source at phoenicia.org tells you that you are wrong.Read it again and come back here, then. Or I can point out where it tells you that Adonai can be both specific and generic, and was used as a substitutary name for Yahweh. Much as I told you before. The bible itself refers to the weeping for Tammuz and how this is verboten for the Jews. They inherited their monotheism from the Hittites, who worshipped Set exclusively.

Yes it refers to Jehovah, Tammuz, Adonis, Adonai, is Jehovah, it's when Jehovah dies and is sent to the underworld. He still exist as a shadow, It is simple to understand, Jehovah's home planet is Saturn. It has to do with lot's and lot's of .......

How should I put it in the most softest way ? That you are wrong

Sabath in Latin=Saturday, but we all know this since Saturday is Saturn-day.
The rest, I can't make public such information just for you. Saturday people ..... so they can be happy the next day.




Another thing I should point out, is that you cannot lump every deity who goes to the Underworld into just one God. You do know that this is a right of passage and so many of them went through it. This was later re-enacted through the Phaoronic death ritual and the baptisms of John the Baptist.

I'm not lumping all of them into one, but this one is according to each culture Jehovah.


It's simple Jehova had a childhood that you can find in other cultures, he was the son of the morning star. The first ever Lucifer there was, the classical lucifer, Son of venus, adopted, because he was adopted, he took the name of "adonis" more known as adon, from adon evolved adonis or adonai. It's what the hooker does, she throws you hard, making you how should I tell you add.
Satan is a beast, more than that it is a force.

I do feel sorry for Jehovah, the hooker got the best of him, he turned into a monster because of her.
The dark side got a hold of him, he became Satan.

So we find in the bible, he hates her for what she has done to him
From the bible:


And you shall burn their Asherahs with fire. And you shall cut down the carved images of their gods, and shall destroy their names out of that place. (4) You shall not do so to Jehovah your God.


Another one from the same bible:


Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and burn their Asherah poles in the fire; cut down the idols of their gods and wipe out their names from those places.


Asherah bashing.

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posted on Jul, 17 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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Jehovah from the pnonicians cannan.



Yahweh and the Gods of Canaan – An Historical Analysis of Two Contrasting Faiths (1968),[7] which insisted on the essential otherness of Yahweh from the Canaanite gods from the very beginning of Israel's history. However, scholars of the Ancient Near East have since seen Yahweh worship as emerging from a West Semitic and Canaanite background.[8][9] Theophoric names, names of local gods similar to Yahweh, and archaeological evidence are used along with the Biblical source texts to describe pre-Israel origins of Yahweh worship, the relationship of Yahweh with local gods, and the manner in which Yahweh worship evolved into Jewish monotheism.



Identification with the phonician EL.



Lost scholars accept that YHWH is made up of Y, meaning "he", plus a form of HWY, the root of a group of words connected with "being" and "becoming". Frank Moore Cross has suggested that the name Yahweh was originally combined with El as "El-Yahweh", like "El-Shaddai" and "El-Elyon" - El was the chief god of the Canaanite pantheon, and El-Yahweh is still found in a few places in the Old Testament (in psalm 50:1, for example). It would have originated as a description of El's appearance and blessing: "El who shows himself".[19] The author of Exodus 3:13–15 gives a similar explanation: God, asked by Moses for his name, provides three names: "I Am That I Am", followed by "I Am," and finally "YHWH":



This can only be concluded EL= HIM HIM=ADD from ADAM as a male.
He also go's by the name of Elyon in the bible, he is not the only Elyon there but he is called that.
EL=ADD(AD) and ON from Elyon. Elyon=ADON. Jehovah = the phonician ADON, that became the Adonis, and adonai of the bible. I think Chronus is the older version of Jehovah, the mature, after the descent into the underworld. We know that the Phonician EL is Chronus.





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Yes but that is only mentioned in Babylonian myth, the deification of the Apsu, it's not part of the Sumerian culture. If it is please provide a source with the information.


Again, you're missing the point. In Sumerian culture, the Gods were both the anthropomorphic personification and the actual object itself. There is no distinction. Go to the ETCSL and read, you'll see there is no distinction, and that they are one and the same. The source is right there. Do not confuse Enki's temple with the actual Abzu.


Markuk is part of the Babylonian culture, he apears no where in the sumerian culture, if you want to study summerian culture, then stick to the sumerian, the babylonians inflated the stories, colored them.
Babylon was indeed very colorful.The truth is in black and white. The rest is how should I put it "Imagination"
A beautiful gift we bear from god or we would all bore out of our miseries, you may disagree since you are a satanist. These are Babylonian stories and have no place in the Sumerian culture.


You're just repeating back to me what I've told you. As I said, WHEN Marduk came into prominence. Marduk is the Babylonian assimilation of Asarluhi and Ninib (Ninurta). The truth is in shades of gray, and this is where your lack of understanding is doing you in.


It's the same goddess, she is translated as the same name, she appears as a dual personification because one version older than the other.


Nope, you're doing it again, lumping every Deity into incorrect packages of one. Asherah and Astarte were not the same in any way at all. It is the Greeks who incorrectly shoved them into one deity. Asherah and Astarte are not the same deity. I realize you are using the idea of twin Gods to assimilate as many as you can to fit your preconceived theology, however, it is incorrect. The twin Gods are male and female, the masculine and the feminine.

I'm starting to think that you're not reading your own sources properly. Re-read what you quoted, and tell me how you could miss where it says that AT A LATER DATE the two deities were assimilated.

And your link from Interferencetheory is a bunch of nonsense. Please use only the literature itself, not other unqualified people's incorrect interpretations of it.

There is no way whatsoever that Dumuzi and Enlil are the same deity. They couldn't be more different. No matter how hard you try to assimilate them, it won't work.

You don't like Yahweh, we can all see that. But that doesn't mean that you can ascribe any traits to Him that you feel like. He is Enlil, the head of the Pantheon. He represents strict righteousness. He is a celestial deity and in no way a Cthonic deity.

Dumuzi is of the younger generation and represents something else entirely. He represents fertility and sex, and he is one of many gods that spend time in the underworld and time above. He has nothing to do with strict righteousness.

Dumuzi is neither Yahweh, Lucifer or Satan.

To bring this back on track:

Yahweh/Set/Enlil: Strong storm god, head of the pantheon, strict righteousness.

Lucifer/Jesus/Horus: The bringer of the Light.

Satan/Ningishzidda/Anubis: The adversary, the teacher and the tester.

Three separate deities.



posted on Jul, 17 2011 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by Schrödinger
Pepsi, you should really listen to CodyOutlaw, he is trying to help you.
I totally agree with the essence of his post, and most details aswell.


Thanks, man.
I'm trying



posted on Jul, 17 2011 @ 12:38 PM
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Again, you're missing the point. In Sumerian culture, the Gods were both the anthropomorphic personification and the actual object itself. There is no distinction. Go to the ETCSL and read, you'll see there is no distinction, and that they are one and the same. The source is right there. Do not confuse Enki's temple with the actual Abzu.

There is no refrence of what you state in sumerian culture, the Abzu is not deified, it is refered to as the watery abyss, you are refering to the babylonian apsu.
Come back to me when you have a source from the sumerian culture stating what you sustain.


en.wikipedia.org...
As a deity

Abzu (apsû) is depicted as a deity only in the Babylonian creation epic, the Enûma Elish, taken from the library of Assurbanipal (c 630 BCE) but which is about 500 years older. In this story, he was a primal being made of fresh water and a lover to another primal deity, Tiamat, who was a creature of salt water. The Enuma Elish begins:





You're just repeating back to me what I've told you. As I said, WHEN Marduk came into prominence. Marduk is the Babylonian assimilation of Asarluhi and Ninib (Ninurta). The truth is in shades of gray, and this is where your lack of understanding is doing you in.

I know what you want to get at, it's not it, it's "ASH" ERA-H not who you think, she is the real gray. Venus.
Above that I must tell you that you are in error. If Adonis is son of "ASH"erah you can imagine.



Nope, you're doing it again, lumping every Deity into incorrect packages of one. Asherah and Astarte were not the same in any way at all. It is the Greeks who incorrectly shoved them into one deity. Asherah and Astarte are not the same deity. I realize you are using the idea of twin Gods to assimilate as many as you can to fit your preconceived theology, however, it is incorrect. The twin Gods are male and female, the masculine and the feminine.


It's the same goddess representation of Venus. As for duality you got things mixed up, it's not necesary a male and a female, as in one person, but a AD-VERS-ARY., you calculated it wrong, how is that spin theory going ?




I'm starting to think that you're not reading your own sources properly. Re-read what you quoted, and tell me how you could miss where it says that AT A LATER DATE the two deities were assimilated.

Yes at a later date because they were two versions of the same thing. It's the same persona, Venus.



And your link from Interferencetheory is a bunch of nonsense. Please use only the literature itself, not other unqualified people's incorrect interpretations of it.

Well that is just your opinion.



There is no way whatsoever that Dumuzi and Enlil are the same deity. They couldn't be more different. No matter how hard you try to assimilate them, it won't work.

Enlil and Enki are part of them in a way you may not understand, and I am not at the liberty to tell you why it's so.



You don't like Yahweh, we can all see that. But that doesn't mean that you can ascribe any traits to Him that you feel like. He is Enlil, the head of the Pantheon. He represents strict righteousness. He is a celestial deity and in no way a Cthonic deity.

Jehovah is the lord of the Jews, were not talking about what I like, my personal opinion is that Jehovah was to harsh and that is about it.



Dumuzi is of the younger generation and represents something else entirely. He represents fertility and sex, and he is one of many gods that spend time in the underworld and time above. He has nothing to do with strict righteousness.

Same as Adonis.


Adonis is a young fertility god, a comely youth beloved by Astarte, and represents death and rebirth in an oriental vegetation cult. He is also known as the agricultural divinity named Eshmun.

But remember it's before they fall down into the underworld.

Also:
Astera (venus) is Lover of Adonis
Inanna/Ishtar(same venus) is the Lover of Tammuz
Same thing same characters other mythologic culture





Dumuzi is neither Yahweh, Lucifer or Satan.

Sure he is you just got to study Lucifer. I may not say more.



Yahweh/Set/Enlil: Strong storm god, head of the pantheon, strict righteousness.

Yes but you left out the other half, the notion of the twin, these are incomplete pairs.
Here is your storm god.


www.bandoli.no...
Development of Jehovah
The development of monotheism is also different than the version the Holy Book want us to believe. Even the almighty God was once a small insignificant deity. Originally Jehovah was a nature deity, a fertility deity responsible for rain and sun and good crops. All over the holy land idols made of metal or clay are found, both female and male idols.

There is a thing called before and after. He becomes a storm later after he is sent to the underworld.



Lucifer/Jesus/Horus: The bringer of the Light.

If what you state then Osiris is Jehovah, then Jehovah is the father of Jesus, then Osiris is Jehovah.
For Horus to be Jesus makes Osiris Jehovah since Horus(Jesus)needs a father, a god, because osiris was a god and father of horus. Osiris was god of the underworld. Then if what you state Jesus would need an equivalent as big as Osiris as a father. By stating this you agree that Osiris is Jehovah.

Second you sound so sure, you associate Lucifer with Jesus.
Lucifer is a "refelction" now look in this thread I have posted something.
Lucifer carries something else, not the light, he is bright because he is very reflective, shininy because he is like silver, reflecting. It's what LUCI means, to shine.

Jesus was the morning star as the sun, not "the son of the morning star"(venus) also being a star and being a son of a star is something else.

Osiris is Just like Tammuz Adonis a fertility god before he becomes a king of the underworld.
Can't you see that you are really talking about one character ?




www.searchgodsword.org...
The Babylonian myth represents Dumuzu, or Tammuz, as a beautiful shepherd slain by a wild boar, the symbol of winter. Ishtar long mourned for him and descended into the underworld to deliver him from the embrace of death (Frazer, Adonis, Attis and Osiris).



Now for adonis


public.wsu.edu...&adonis.html
hen she hears a huntsman's call she entertains a glimmer of hope and apologizes to Death, but she comes upon the corpse of Adonis and the ground and plants soaked with his blood. Venus provides a eulogy and convinces herself that the boar accidentally killed Adonis when trying to make out with him.



These versions is just part of a version of a myths, the other side is Venus/Ishtar/Astera killing Tammuz or Adonis. We know that she sends tammuz in the underwolrd to spend six months, we know that adonis also has to spend six months.

It's the same thing just different culture.

Tammuz/Adonis/Jehovah.

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There is no refrence of what you state in sumerian culture, the Abzu is not deified, it is refered to as the watery abyss, you are refering to the babylonian apsu.
Come back to me when you have a source from the sumerian culture stating what you sustain.


But, I just did give you a source. You need to read everything again. I'm not referring to the Babylonian versions. What you have to do is:

1) Read with the understanding that the nuances between the personification and the generalized are completely blurred for the Sumerians. The thing and the Lord of the thing are one and the same. There's no way to explain this to you in other terms - either you can understand it or not.

2) Do not mix up where Abzu is referring to the deity/entity, the temple of Enki, and the freshwater areas around Ugarit.


I know what you want to get at, it's not it, it's "ASH" ERA-H not who you think, she is the real gray. Venus.
Above that I must tell you that you are in error. If Adonis is son of "ASH"erah you can imagine.


My dear Pepsi, this doesn't even make sense, so I don't think you have any idea what I'm getting at. Unfortunately.



It's the same goddess representation of Venus. As for duality you got things mixed up, it's not necesary a male and a female, as in one person, but a AD-VERS-ARY., you calculated it wrong, how is that spin theory going ?


This doesn't make sense either! It is necessarily male and female. Different aspects of the male and female are not represented as other than aspects. Inanna is not the same as Ninki. No way, shape or form.

The twin aspect you are referring to is Attar, the male deity representing the Morning Star, whereas Astarte represented the evening star. Both Venus, one male, one female.

Now to address the Dumuzi and Enlil differences.

Enlil or Nunamnir was second only to An in rank. He didn't become a storm god, He always was a storm god. He was central to the farmers, who had their cities at Nippur, Eresh etc.)

Dumuzi was the Shepherd, Lord of the sheepherders who had their cities at Bad-tibira, Uruk etc.

They are completely different Gods. There's really no way, no matter how hard you try, to combine the two.

Now to Osiris - the cult of Osiris came later, as the original God of the underworld was Anpu/Anubis/Satan. Later he was relegated to being either the son of Osiris or Set, but this was not the original mythology.

Yahweh has his correspondence in Set (which they inherited from the Hittites) and Enlil.

Dumuzi has his correspondence to Tammuz and Adonis.

And now to address your "I can't say more," and "I won't tell you more."
This is you backing out, and I understand, because you are wrong.
I just hope that you will listen to me and go back to the beginning, re-read everything, try to understand it properly before you think you can understand the esoteric side.



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But, I just did give you a source. You need to read everything again. I'm not referring to the Babylonian versions. What you have to do is:

1) Read with the understanding that the nuances between the personification and the generalized are completely blurred for the Sumerians. The thing and the Lord of the thing are one and the same. There's no way to explain this to you in other terms - either you can understand it or not.

I have studied the Abzu, it is not a deity, it's not even Tiamat, Tiamat is the other side, the abzu is the abyss.
When the earth has fallen it went thru it (it's a legend), AB=Ocean Zu=Wisdom. It's what you might not understand, the reflextion is not alive. If you drop a rock into the water it will splash you because it's acting as a reflection to your deeds, if you understand the notion. It's nature, and it is programed to work that way by the big Guy that made it all. These are laws of nature. You deified the ABZU, the abzu is not it, it's what is in the ABZU, that is the problem. it's making the abzu acting the way it is.




My dear Pepsi, this doesn't even make sense, so I don't think you have any idea what I'm getting at. Unfortunately.

I have a very good idea, it is who does not understand, wisdom is not understanding. A satanist is wise, I thought you were a satanist ?





This doesn't make sense either! It is necessarily male and female. Different aspects of the male and female are not represented as other than aspects. Inanna is not the same as Ninki. No way, shape or form.

That is your opinion, why don't you look in the mirror and see your reflection.



The twin aspect you are referring to is Attar, the male deity representing the Morning Star, whereas Astarte represented the evening star. Both Venus, one male, one female.

Not quite.
Here you go:


Venus reaches its maximum brightness shortly before sunrise or shortly after sunset, for which reason it has been known as the Morning Star or Evening Star.


She has many personalities along many cultures, one is Ostara, or The "EVE" of O-STAR-A, Eve=Evning Star from O -star-a(Ostara)(Estore) Ostara is Venus, also the morning star.




Now to address the Dumuzi and Enlil differences.
Enlil or Nunamnir was second only to An in rank. He didn't become a storm god, He always was a storm god. He was central to the farmers, who had their cities at Nippur, Eresh etc.)

That is because you see it as ranks, picturing these deities as walking around in the ancient summer.



Dumuzi was the Shepherd, Lord of the sheepherders who had their cities at Bad-tibira, Uruk etc.


Here you go:


theoceanhunter.wikispaces.com...
From the Semitic Adonai, which means "lord". In Greek myth Adonis was a handsome young shepherd[/b[ killed while hunting a wild boar.




They are completely different Gods. There's really no way, no matter how hard you try, to combine the two.

If you say so. I say they are the same.



Yahweh has his correspondence in Set (which they inherited from the Hittites) and Enlil.

Yes but before that he was a fertility god just like /Osiris/Adonis/Tammuz.
To be a storm god you have to be an undeworld lord.



Dumuzi has his correspondence to Tammuz and Adonis.

Dumuzi/Tammuz/Osiris/Adon(is)(ai) (Jehovah)
And I forgot to add, Enlil is Enki.




And now to address your "I can't say more," and "I won't tell you more."
This is you backing out, and I understand, because you are wrong.
I just hope that you will listen to me and go back to the beginning, re-read everything, try to understand it properly before you think you can understand the esoteric side.

I have, I can't see where you make sense. All of them Including Jehovah have Venus as their lover, they all die and get sent to the underworld. They all bare the same myths Jehovah included.

The Esoteric side ? What do you know about it. Be careful not to twist things.
This is the problem with satanic crap these days, you get into it fast, but I can asure you you got it the other way around. I don't guide by that crap, there is other things that I can guide by except kabalah crap and gnostinc crap.

I know what you did, you think that one part is female and one part is male, there for the pairs have to be male and female. Yes the obsesion of dark and light thinking everything is a rule and works like that.
That is Kabalah Crap.

These deities can be a female that is more like a male, and a male that is more like a female but not in all cases.

It's why you put the pairs wrong. It's what Kabalah crap does to you. It is what Satanism does to you because you learn like a robot.


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posted on Jul, 17 2011 @ 03:45 PM
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Listen, Pepsi78—

You WROTE more garbage recently:

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“These versions is [sic] just part of a version of a myths, [sic[] the other side is Venus/Ishtar/Astera killing Tammuz or Adonis. We know that she sends tammuz [sic] in the underwolrd [sic] to spend six months, we know that adonis also has to spend six months. It's the same thing just different culture.

Tammuz/Adonis/Jehovah…”

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Again (!) you seem quite confused judging by your mis-informed (and highly ungrammatical) postings on this thread. Why do you insist on stabbing in the dark on matters about which you are not equipped to discuss intelligently?

From the above QUOTE, are you actually claiming that the ancient Levantine ‘dying and rising vegetation fertility god’ Tammuz(i) which crops up under various spellings in the ancient Levantine literature from Egypt to Elam (BCE 2500 to 500 CE) as :

Tammuz/Tammuzzi/Attammuz/AttamuzziTannuz/Tannuzi/Attanuz/
Attanuzi/Ademuz/Demuzi/Ademuzi [Gk.] Adonis etal.


is somehow magically to be equated syncrestically with the warlike YHWH, the desert clan god of post-Exilic Judaiesm – ?!!!!

NB: the idea of the post Exilic (post 587 BCE) YHWH’s physical ‘attributes’ are weirdly described in the Scroll of the Book of the prophet Hezekiel in chapter 1 and chapter 10 as having the exact same description of the Assyrian clan-god ASHUR i.e. having like the god ASHUR, a total of four (4 ) separate face(s) i.e. of the Man, Lion, Eagle, Ox…)

If so, how can this verse in Hezekiel be explained. (see Hez. 8:14 in the Masoretic and Septuaginta) which shows the worship of Tammuzi/Adonis to be ‘ritually Toq’ebah’ i.e. cultically abominable/hateful/unclean to the clan-god YHWH:

Then he brought me to the entrance to the north gate of the house of YHWH,
Where, lo, I saw women positioned on the floor there ritually-mourning for the god Tammuz
And he spoke to me saying, "Son of Man, are you able to see any of this?
Amen, you will see things that are even more ritually-abominable (toq’ebah) to me than these things !”

In view of this, how can the dying and rising fertility god Adonis/Attanuz etc. in ANY WAY, SHAPE or FORM be syncrestically equated with the post exilic clan god of the Jews, YHWH?



posted on Jul, 17 2011 @ 04:11 PM
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Again (!) you seem quite confused judging by your mis-informed (and highly ungrammatical) postings on this thread. Why do you insist on stabbing in the dark on matters about which you are not equipped to discuss intelligently?

All I see is finger pointing, no facts, but I'll read on.



From the above QUOTE, are you actually claiming that the ancient Levantine ‘dying and rising vegetation fertility god’ Tammuz(i) which crops up under various spellings in the ancient Levantine literature from Egypt to Elam (BCE 2500 to 500 CE) as :

Tammuz is a fertility god, he go's to the underworld, is how the story is, perhaps you would like to add something to it.



is somehow magically to be equated syncrestically with the warlike YHWH, the desert clan god of post-Exilic Judaiesm – ?!!!!

Not so fast, he was fertile before he became a desert god.



NB: the idea of the post Exilic (post 587 BCE) YHWH’s physical ‘attributes’ are weirdly described in the Scroll of the Book of the prophet Hezekiel in chapter 1 and chapter 10 as having the exact same description of the Assyrian clan-god ASHUR i.e. having like the god ASHUR, a total of four (4 ) separate face(s) i.e. of the Man, Lion, Eagle, Ox…)

And that disproves my theory? how



If so, how can this verse in Hezekiel be explained. (see Hez. 8:14 in the Masoretic and Septuaginta) which shows the worship of Tammuzi/Adonis to be ‘ritually Toq’ebah’ i.e. cultically abominable/hateful/unclean to the clan-god YHWH:


It is in the house of the lord, what do you mean.
From the Bible.


Then he brought me to the entrance to the north gate of the house of the LORD, and I saw women sitting there, mourning for Tammuz.

Can't you see it's talking about the Lord ?



Tammuz is not the son of man(aka Jesus) This might be what the people of that time considered.


And he spoke to me saying, "Son of Man, are you able to see any of this?
Amen, you will see things that are even more ritually-abominable (toq’ebah) to me than these things !”

Tammuz is just another description for Staturn. It may be that some worshiped Jehovah by the name Jehovah and some by the name Tammuz, why would anyone worship Tammuz in Israel then ?
Tammuz is identical to Jehovah from many perspectives.



In view of this, how can the dying and rising fertility god Adonis/Attanuz etc. in ANY WAY, SHAPE or FORM be syncrestically equated with the post exilic clan god of the Jews, YHWH?

It is simple, by the return of Saturn, The return of Jehovah.(the lord) Just like /adonis/tamuz returns.
The seal of solomon, the star of david, the hexagram it's all a representation of Saturn.




en.wikipedia.org...
Cronus then, whom the Phoenicians call Elus, who was king of the country and subsequently, after his decease, was deified as the star Saturn, had by a nymph of the country named Anobret an only begotten son, whom they on this account called Iedud, the only begotten being still so called among the Phoenicians; and when very great dangers from war had beset the country, he arrayed his son in royal apparel, and prepared an altar, and sacrificed him.

Jehovah is a representation of Saturn, the dark lord of the underworld.

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