Did you know that Iran executed 30,000 political prisoners in 1988? I didn't.

The executions began in late July and continued for several months. As many as 30,000 political prisoners or more, the overwhelming majority of them activists of the People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran (PMOI or MEK) were slaughtered.

the diplomat / the forgotten mass execution of prisoners in Iran during the summer of 1988

Iran continues to deny the executions.




Survivors have said that the unmarked graves helps them do this.

the independent . co . uk / I was lucky to escape with my life: The massacre of Iranian political prisoners in 1988 must now be investigated


There is a whole world out there.

Are we contemplating our own belly buttons,
or,
are we looking around to see what is going on.


Mike

And now for some Blues
from an underground band in Tehran.


Mike

Did you know that the US and Israel have committed acts of war against Iran, and Iran refuses to take the bait? Be a part of the solution, not part of the problem.

What does this op accomplish, other than villify Iran? I hear the war drums getting louder and louder!

Originally posted by jaws1975
Did you know that the US and Israel have committed acts of war against Iran, and Iran refuses to take the bait? Be a part of the solution, not part of the problem.

What does this op accomplish, other than villify Iran? I hear the war drums getting louder and louder!

No, you're right.

I'm trying to get information on Iran
and what is really going on there.

Wish it was an open society like the West.


Mike

Would you care to enlighten us as to what they were?

To show the other side of the coin. The only ones that are saying over 30,000 were the opposition. Amnesty International recorded the names of over 2,000 disappeared prisoners during this time. 1.2.1 The Massacre of 1988

Originally posted by mikegrouchy

Originally posted by jaws1975
Did you know that the US and Israel have committed acts of war against Iran, and Iran refuses to take the bait? Be a part of the solution, not part of the problem.

What does this op accomplish, other than villify Iran? I hear the war drums getting louder and louder!

No, you're right.

I'm trying to get information on Iran
and what is really going on there.

Wish it was an open society like the West.

Mike

From what I understand, Iran is a fairly open-minded country...as much as one can expect from a country that has been in turmoil since the 40's.

As far as the executions, people say that the number killed may be as low as 1000, not 30,000 and those executed were Pro-Iraq, aided Iraq during the Iraq/Iran war and may have had ties to certain groups that stuck their noses in the Russia/Afghanistan conflict.

Originally posted by JIMC5499
Would you care to enlighten us as to what they were?

Founded on September 5, 1965 by a group of left-leaning Muslim Iranian university students as an Islamic and Marxist political mass movement, the MEK was originally devoted to armed struggle against the Shah of Iran, capitalism, and Western imperialism. In the immediate aftermath of the 1979 Islamic Revolution, the MEK and the Tudeh Party at first chose to side with the clerics led by Ayatollah Khomeini against the liberals, nationalists and other moderate forces within the revolution. A power struggle ensued, and by mid-1981, MEK was fighting street battles against the Islamic Revolutionary Guards. During the Iran–Iraq War, the group was given refuge by Saddam Hussein and mounted attacks on Iran from within Iraqi territory.

. [color=gold] The group claims to have renounced violence in 2001 and today it is the main component organization of the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), an "umbrella coalition" calling itself the "parliament-in-exile dedicated to a democratic, secular and coalition government in Iran." While the MEK's leadership has resided in Paris, France, the group's core members were for many years confined to Camp Ashraf in Iraq, and "were disarmed in the wake of the U.S.-led invasion and are said to have adhered to a ceasefire." The group's remaining 3,200 members were recently compelled to move to ex-U.S. military base Camp Liberty

wikipedia / Peoples Mujahedin of Iran

They believe that elections and political suffrage are the sole indicators of political legitimacy.


Mike

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Slightly off topic, but the illegal sanctions. How can there be sanctions based on assumptions and false intelligence?

Edit: I apologize if I was wrong in my assumption that you were asking what provocation the West has done to Iran.

Originally posted by superman2012
To show the other side of the coin. The only ones that are saying over 30,000 were the opposition. Amnesty International recorded the names of over 2,000 disappeared prisoners during this time. 1.2.1 The Massacre of 1988

Thanks for that.

Getting clear information,
is like trying to see the bottom of a muddy stream.


Mike

reply to post by mikegrouchy

"Open society like the West"?

Huh?

We're so "open", every time something about our government is exposed, the whistle blowers are sentenced to life in prison or threatened with assassination...



GTBH

reply to post by mikegrouchy

Even that isn't too clear, I just find it helpful to research both sides and then I make my decision with the available information that I have found. If I see anything that is more clear, I will make sure to post it here.

Thanks!

Originally posted by gladtobehere
"Open society like the West"?

Huh?

We're so "open", every time something about our government is exposed, the whistle blowers are sentenced to life in prison or threatened with assassination...

GTBH

This is about open society vs. closed.

The west is easily infiltrated almost welcoming,
this is being used against us to try and make us fear public places.
And no one can find these suicide nuts, let alone call their handlers and tell them to knock it off.

So terrorism is, by definition, using the west's openess against itself, and using the east's closedness to it's advantage.

So here is where logic breaks down.
If you have something that is incomprehensible
and has zero avenues of control
what do you do.





It's the same thing as a bank robber who holds a gun to a tellers' head and tells a cop to back off. The teller, at no point, has been given the option of cooperation instead of being killed. The cop is, but not the teller. To ignore, run over, trample someone's chance to comply with the demands of force is to remove all opportunity for mercy. And to somehow have mentally removed someone's own mechanisms of self preservation and literally create a suicide-oriented target-seeking weaponized-human leaves any official with -2 (minus two) opportunities to offer quarter. The modern suicide bomber has had their body hijacked by their mind, their mind hijacked by their ideology, and as a consequence their actions become non negotiable. All while leaving zero clues, or any hint of a trail back to the sick community that creates such monsters.


Mike



Iran Suicide Boats on a practice run.

reply to post by JIMC5499


Drones in their airspace, stuxnet virus attack, for starters. Or if you want to go back a ways how about the cia overthrow of their gov in 53.

You could blame the oil embargo on the UN, but you and I both know that the US and Israel were behind that.

reply to post by mikegrouchy

lol


Sorry. I equate the Wests "openness" as much as the witch in Hansel and Gretel who had the very welcoming Candy House! That is the first thing that popped into my mind reading your post.

Originally posted by superman2012
reply to post by mikegrouchy

 

lol

Sorry. I equate the Wests "openness" as much as the witch in Hansel and Gretel who had the very welcoming Candy House! That is the first thing that popped into my mind reading your post.

So what solutions can I offer?

Well, I can view the east in this way.
The east,
from Japan to Jerusalem
is not a unified country like America is.
It is a sea of world views, any one of which could wind up
in charge of world governance but that they are buffeted about
by the sparks of suicide troops preventing any one of them from rising too far
above the others.

In other words Terrorism cannot be fostered where
an atmosphere of mutual distrust does not already previously exist.

I recommend we do the one thing terrorists can't comprehend.
The entire world start becoming more open.


These things being citing as examples of the west's lack of openness.

If we are not open about it....then how do we even know about it.


Mike

reply to post by mikegrouchy


Curious...another coincidence in the ongoing grand tour of the Mid-East theatre (and by theatre, i do mean theatre).

It was how the Iraq war started..all over the news, almost every day it was pumped down the tube that Saddam has executed 30,000 of his own people! It was the main headline at the time.

Chemical weapons redline #1 and #2 in Syria, Government strengthening terrorism in Syria, Government actually arming and aiding terrorists in Syria, now the same rhetoric as was used against SH in Iraq (Remember him folks? The old nudge-nudge wink-wink WMD that didn't exist) is now being used against Iran...not even bothering to change the totals, i suppose 30K was a nice round number that worked last time..two times a charm eh?

Interesting thread Mike...very interesting actually.

Originally posted by MysterX
reply to post by mikegrouchy

 

Curious...another coincidence in the ongoing grand tour of the Mid-East theatre (and by theatre, i do mean theatre).

It was how the Iraq war started..all over the news, almost every day it was pumped down the tube that Saddam has executed 30,000 of his own people! It was the main headline at the time.

Chemical weapons redline #1 and #2 in Syria, Government strengthening terrorism in Syria, Government actually arming and aiding terrorists in Syria, now the same rhetoric as was used against SH in Iraq (Remember him folks? The old nudge-nudge wink-wink WMD that didn't exist) is now being used against Iran...not even bothering to change the totals, i suppose 30K was a nice round number that worked last time..two times a charm eh?

Interesting thread Mike...very interesting actually.

I think you are onto something MysterX.

After reading your comment I have decided to adopt Iran
and become expert on any and all actual news I can get out of the country.

I feel your sentiments.
I don't want mass executions, but I don't want to be played by propaganda either.


Mike

reply to post by MysterX


Don't forget about the aluminum tubes that were part of the WMD in Iraq, now they are using the same formula in Iran. I mean, even the names of country have the first 3 letters the same!

Sorry, but what does the OP have to do with this thread being in the WW3 section? I enjoy getting my doom porn from current events, not from reading about something that happened two and a half decades ago. Thread should be moved. My opinion.