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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by spartacus699
Care to support your angle that Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead with actual scientific evidence? Faith is not scientific evidence, it's actually the complete opposite.
I'll be waiting.
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by edmc^2
"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit;"-- 1 Peter 3:18 RSV
Luke 24
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he showed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of a honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
But Jesus resurrected in the flesh! Spirits don't have flesh and bones, and certainly don't get hungry and need to eat.
edit on 25-8-2013 by windword because: (no reason given)
Sure you could also say that he appeared in "flesh and bones" not "flesh and blood"
to his apostles as well as up to 500 people,
but that doesn't mean that his back to his fleshly body when he was resurrected.
Matter of fact he gave up that body for all eternity and can't take it back. No, rather his being in a materialized body of "flesh and bones" is an indication that his a spirit just like the angels who can appear at will in materialized body.
But still do you agree that Jesus was the "first to be resurrected among the dead" who will never die?
After all that was the contradiction you were alluding to.
everyone comes up with some angle to only support their own agenda with no actually scientific basis in mind
God is loving, He doesn't leave you in the dark not knowing.
Exodus 4
21 The LORD said to Moses, “When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.
Exodus 11
10 Moses and Aaron performed all these wonders before Pharaoh, but the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let the Israelites go out of his country.
Isaiah 63
17 Why, O LORD, do you make us wander from your ways and harden our hearts so we do not revere you? Return for the sake of your servants, the tribes that are your inheritance.
John 12
40 He has blinded their eyes and deadened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn–and I would heal them.
2 Thessalonians 2
11 They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
Romans 1
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
.....
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.
In the holy scriptures in many verses it clearly says God purposely confuses us with all the contradictions. That is because they can only be seen in a spiritual eye not a natural one, it's your depth of vision into something if it's shallow that will lead you to be stuck at these contradictions. But God does it for a reason, his secrets are only for those that search for him, and those that don't want to won't.
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by MRSeeker
I'm so glad that I'm not a Christian and don't have to deal with this stuff, other than discussion threads. But it sounds more like to me, that Satan is the regional manager and God is the Ceo of some off world corporation. Jesus, I think he represents the spirit of humanity, maybe our union rep.
Originally posted by TheBrother
In the holy scriptures in many verses it clearly says God purposely confuses us with all the contradictions. That is because they can only be seen in a spiritual eye not a natural one, it's your depth of vision into something if it's shallow that will lead you to be stuck at these contradictions. But God does it for a reason, his secrets are only for those that search for him, and those that don't want to won't.
Originally posted by Rychwebo
reply to post by TheBrother
I don't know if this was a reply to me or not, it sounds like you attempted to address my statement though. I see you haven't explained a contradiction. That map has 463 contradictions, is it possible for you to pick one and explain it through a "symbolic, spiritual eye"? I am ignorant on the subject matter, so you will have to excuse my inability to do my own research into non literal text needing a spiritual eye to understand. Without trying to go off on other subjects, try to stick with the below format to help me, and maybe help others.
Fill out A through C with requested information.
A. Any Bible verse shown on the OPs map of contradictions
B. A verse that contradicts "A"
C. Explain, with words filtered through a symbolic, "spiritual eye", how A & B should make sense. Also format this explanation so a child can read it without having to dig through a bible for research. Lay it all out.
Pilate Sets a Guard
62 On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, 63 saying, “Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise.’ 64 Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night and steal Him away, and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.”
The Day after the crucifixion of Jesus, was the Day of Preparation......
Matthew 13 When Pilate heard this, he brought Jesus out and sat down on the judge’s seat at a place known as the Stone Pavement (which in Aramaic is Gabbatha).
14 It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon.
So did Jesus die on the Day of Preparation of the Passover, or the day before the Day of Preparation? The Gospels contradicting themselves here.
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by TheBrother
Jesus often is reported to have given parables, but ALL of saying are not parables. The Lords Prayer and the Beatitudes aren't parables and his prophecies in Matthew 24 aren't parables. When he told Peter to forgive 7 times 70 times, was that a parable? When he said that you must forgive to be forgiven, and when he promised to answer prayer and everlasting life, were those parables?
Contradictions are just that, contradictions. The Bible isn't without error.