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September 11th and the Million Muslim March--what are your thoughts?

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posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 10:02 PM
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DISCLAIMER; I am not soliciting folks for a protest. I'm looking for objective opinions regarding this matter. Thanks, please don't chuck me in the trash bin.

AAAANYwho....

As some of you know, September 11 is going to be the day of a protest called the Million Muslim March. I don't know an awful lot about them, but from what I've skimmed over in this article, the general gist of their intentions seem to be this; They are upset that their race/religion's reputation has been damaged and diminished by the lies told about 9/11. They want something to pass the house protecting our first Amendment, and they want the 9/11 commission report released to the American people.


We at AMPAC (American Political Action Committee) are planning a historic event for 9.11.13 where one million Muslims will march to Washington D.C. and demand that our civil rights be protected by our government.

We are demanding that laws be enacted protecting our 1st amendment . We are asking President Obama to fulfill his promise from his first campaign for Presidency of a transparent government. Lastly we are asking for the release of the 9/11 commission report to the American people.


Full article here

This is where I find myself conflicted.

See, I recently got involved with a group called "Overpass." We're a bunch of American protesters who advocate the impeachment of Obama, and other things... won't go into details. But, one of the leaders of Overpass in my area recently posted this for all us members to see;


We were scheduled to have Patriot Wave 3.0 on 9/9/13.

Due to what appears to be an overload of information, misinformation and confusion about that date, the March on DC and the plethora of groups protesting on that day, some of who's intent is unknown, WE will be concentrating on SEPTEMBER 11, 2013.

I apologize to those who planned the March on DC, but 9/11 is much more significant in the hearts of Americans and I will not minimize our efforts for 9/11.

BE ADVISED, THE PATRIOT WAVE 3 WILL BE ON 9/11/2013!

After much thought about the Million Muslim March, and the smarmy, arrogant attitude and utter disrespect for Americans by those who planned this march, the complete disregard for those who died on 9/11/2001 & 9/11/2012, we will stand on Overpasses and streets IN OPPOSITION to the Million Muslim March.

I will NOT stand by and let a national day of mourning be polluted by scumbags who have no respect for our nation.

We should all be feeling boiling rage at the disrespect shown to America by that march, and we need to channel that to recruit as many people as we can to get out that day!

I expect everyone to put their utmost effort into maximizing the boots on the streets and overpasses for this day!!

We need to remember when we go out on 9/11/2013 to be positive, to not carry anti-Muslim signs, and remember that we are rallying for America!!

But we cannot, WE WILL NOT allow 9/11 to be hijacked by arrogant people who have no idea of how to respect the dead, and instead disrespect them by marching on an American day of mourning.

We will be out there, and we will be out there in force! Those of us in Overpasses are Red, White and Blue through and through, and I expect us to SHOW IT on 9/11/2013

WE ARE AMERICA, AND WE WILL NOT LET THIS DAY BE STOLEN FROM US!


You see, I agree with Overpass on a lot of issues, but this in particular bothers me a little bit. Granted, I'm still new at this... but our 9/11 protest was supposed to be a truth movement, and from what I've read, the Million Muslim March seems to have similar goals. I don't believe we should be protesting in opposition of them.

Still, the media will likely lump us together with the Million Muslim March if we don't outwardly denounce our supposed affiliation with them. That could skew the reputation of Overpass, and I believe that's what my folks here are trying to avoid.

I very much want to participate in this protest. Its going to be huge.

But It seems the division between the two protests is going to damage the cause.

Divide & conquer, ya know?

It seems if these groups unified, it would make a MUCH bigger statement.

I' unno.

Whaddo YOU think, ATS?

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posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 10:14 PM
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Gonna be a real interesting time in Washington that day!!!


The best way to counter bad speech is to oppose it with good speech. Sometimes “speech” can be expressed simply by the number of people who are willing to show up to support a principle. That’s the view that hundreds of bikers (so far) across America have as they prepare to join a “2 MILLION BIKER RIDE TO DC” to counter the planned September 11 “Million Muslim March” on DC.


Source
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posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by occrest
Gonna be a real interesting time in Washington that day!!!


The best way to counter bad speech is to oppose it with good speech. Sometimes “speech” can be expressed simply by the number of people who are willing to show up to support a principle. That’s the view that hundreds of bikers (so far) across America have as they prepare to join a “2 MILLION BIKER RIDE TO DC” to counter the planned September 11 “Million Muslim March” on DC.


Source
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Yeah... that bike riding thing is my peoples. In fact, since I don't have a motorcycle, I was considering asking some loner patriot if they minded me tagging along on the back of their bike with 'em...


Do ya see my point here, though?

Wouldn't all these truth movements be more effective if they unified?

All this nationalistic pride gets in the way of truly spreading truth to folks, doesn't it?



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 10:19 PM
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I don't know about people on overpass's but I do believe that if the Muslim march gets anywhere near the number they want they won't be able to contain it and people will see the Muslim movement for why it is, a Jihad against anyone who is not Muslim.

This is the best thing that could happen to wake people up to the real meaning of the Muslim movement.

If I am wrong, I apologize ahead of time.....nothing would make me happier.



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by Battleline
reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX
 
I don't know about people on overpass's but I do believe that if the Muslim march gets anywhere near the number they want they won't be able to contain it and people will see the Muslim movement for why it is, a Jihad against anyone who is not Muslim.

This is the best thing that could happen to wake people up to the real meaning of the Muslim movement.

If I am wrong, I apologize ahead of time.....nothing would make me happier.



I feels ya.

But my whole take on it is this;

I think BOTH of them--the Americans, and the Muslims--need to get over themselves.

We're not doing this to represent the Muslims, or the American pride (I'm not, anyway). We're ALL doing this as a 9/11 truth movement, and we all have similar *awakening* goals in mind. Secular pride is the barrier between our two protests unifying.

And the problem is, none of them really see it. If I tried to explain it to them--even if I managed to get through to a few folks--the snowball has already evolved into an avalanche. This thing is gonna be hard to tackle, from any angle.



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 10:27 PM
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My thoughts are that you should use the search function as its been discussed.




posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by gladtobehere
reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX
 

My thoughts are that you should use the search function as its been discussed.



I'm sure the Million Muslim March has been discussed on the biggest conspiracy website online.

But the march itself is not the topic of the thread.

The topic is the conflict between the two protests, and yet another example of divide & conquer that people seem to be approaching in one of two ways; embracing it, or ignoring it.

I haven't seen THAT discussed anywhere.

Please feed the topic, or troll elsewhere.


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posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 10:31 PM
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My belief on the muslim march, they may mean well, and I appreciate that, but they should choose another day to make their point. I agree with their ideals but that is just not the time.



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by caterpillage
My belief on the muslim march, they may mean well, and I appreciate that, but they should choose another day to make their point. I agree with their ideals but that is just not the time.


If the two groups HAVE to remain separate, and there's no way for them to compromise, I agree with you. But I think if they reached some kind of mutual ground, so that they could both protest, both be heard, both make clear that they're separate sects, but without opposing one another, it would make a bigger statement.

Division is not the answer to any truth movement.



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX

Originally posted by Battleline
reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX
 
I don't know about people on overpass's but I do believe that if the Muslim march gets anywhere near the number they want they won't be able to contain it and people will see the Muslim movement for why it is, a Jihad against anyone who is not Muslim.

This is the best thing that could happen to wake people up to the real meaning of the Muslim movement.

If I am wrong, I apologize ahead of time.....nothing would make me happier.



I feels ya.

But my whole take on it is this;

I think BOTH of them--the Americans, and the Muslims--need to get over themselves.

We're not doing this to represent the Muslims, or the American pride (I'm not, anyway). We're ALL doing this as a 9/11 truth movement, and we all have similar *awakening* goals in mind. Secular pride is the barrier between our two protests unifying.

And the problem is, none of them really see it. If I tried to explain it to them--even if I managed to get through to a few folks--the snowball has already evolved into an avalanche. This thing is gonna be hard to tackle, from any angle.
If you are doing this as a 9/11 truth movement then join up with the Muslims, that's what they are doing this for.........they say.

They have a bunch of truthers going to say Muslims had nothing to do with 9/11.

Are you sure you know what your about or want, you sound a little contradictory.



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 10:40 PM
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I am just hoping the death toll isn't too big. That is a lot of people converging all at once, at a very important place, on a very symbolic date, in an city with what are going to be some very jumpy cops who have all the guns.

If you go to this march/protest/(could be considered an uprising)...

BE SAFE



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 10:40 PM
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If you are doing this as a 9/11 truth movement then join up with the Muslims, that's what they are doing this for.........they say.

They have a bunch of truthers going to say Muslims had nothing to do with 9/11.

Are you sure you know what your about or want, you sound a little contradictory.


I don't think the Muslims had much (if anything) to do with 9/11.

And even if they did, the exploitation of the Muslims through the media has undeniably damaged their reputation, and innocent folks in the Muslim culture suffer because of it. That, I think, gives them a rightful ground to start a protest.

I know damn well what I'm about.

Division is weakening us. That's my point.

As long as we draw an imaginary line between Americans and Muslims, the truth movements we make may as well just be political Bloods & Crips.



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by occrest
I am just hoping the death toll isn't too big. That is a lot of people converging all at once, at a very important place, on a very symbolic date, in an city with what are going to be some very jumpy cops who have all the guns.

If you go to this march/protest/(could be considered an uprising)...

BE SAFE


Most definitely


I will be extremely cautious if I decide to go. I'll be sure to take some scary bikers with me too.


I'm only considering backing out because of ideological differences, as stated in the OP. But I still really, REALLY want to participate in this. Just a bit conflicted.

But I know it could be potentially problematic, all the different sects there, in the Capitol, on 9/11... another reason why I'm not so favorable of all this nationalistic division and conflict...



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 10:48 PM
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I had to go back and read your OP and I see where you said you were not sure you were with the overpass people on there 9/11 agenda.

So I would guess that you are a 9/11 truther who supports the Muslim agenda to use the truthers to get out from under having perpetrated 9/11.............how close am I ?



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 11:01 PM
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" as long as we draw imaginary lines between Americans and Muslims" I guess that would mean you think we all should be one happy family.

It is the Muslims that that don't want anything to do with the western way of life so I doubt it is the American's that are drawing the imaginary lines.......................but then I think you know that.

What's this post really about XX ?
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posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 11:10 PM
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Most of the Muslims are good people, there are about ten percent who are extremely crabby. You can't punish good people for the actions of the bad ones.

Why would you want to join that group OP, joining a group like that can cause you grief in the long run. Chill out and enjoy this life. It sounds like you may be joining a crabby group.

The day 9/11 is a poor choice of days on their part.
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posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 11:20 PM
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I think you should watch the last 30 minutes of "The Siege" and then think about what you're walking into, given world and U.S. recent events. Consider real carefully.... I really don't have a good feeling about that. The bigger, the worse. A lot of bad people could exploit that for their own benefit and I mean from totally outside the two marches. Playing them off against each other with a little artificial agitation ..right in the Capital Security Zone, would be a spectacular fail for citizens ...but a tremendous victory for TPTB.

Call me silly.. I'm probably totally wrong anyway.. Just have a bad feeling. The timing on more than just the paper calendar number couldn't be worse.



posted on Aug, 22 2013 @ 12:10 AM
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Everyone;




So I would guess that you are a 9/11 truther who supports the Muslim agenda to use the truthers to get out from under having perpetrated 9/11.............how close am I ?


How close are you? Ha. You're way off.

I'm not on the Muslim side. I'm not on any *side.*

Choosing a side is choosing the wrong side.

I think the basic issue is the fact that 9/11 was a tragic, inside, over-exploitation of death and horror that broke the barrier between our government, and a war overseas. It wasn't fair to any of the citizens, Muslim or not. That's what we ought to be focusing on.




" as long as we draw imaginary lines between Americans and Muslims" I guess that would mean you think we all should be one happy family.


I think manufactured division between different sects of people is an illusion used by the powerful to control us, yes. And I believe we should rebel against this. How is that wrong?




It is the Muslims that that don't want anything to do with the western way of life so I doubt it is the American's that are drawing the imaginary lines.......................but then I think you know that.


Did you read the second quote in my OP? And besides that, pointing fingers to one side or the other is the problem here... and, oh look, big shock. You're doing it too.




What's this post really about XX ?


Manufactured division.

And, the fact that so many members of a site claiming to "deny ignorance" embrace it.




Why would you want to join that group OP, joining a group like that can cause you grief in the long run. Chill out and enjoy this life. It sounds like you may be joining a crabby group.


Maybe, I'm still weeding out the good and bad. When I joined them on the "Impeach Obama" protest last weekend, they seemed pretty solemn and humble. This Muslim thing sparked a new color in the cause, though.




I really don't have a good feeling about that. The bigger, the worse. A lot of bad people could exploit that for their own benefit and I mean from totally outside the two marches. Playing them off against each other with a little artificial agitation ..right in the Capital Security Zone, would be a spectacular fail for citizens ...but a tremendous victory for TPTB.


I'd have to say I agree, for the most part... I have a bad feeling too.

And, to answer a question by one of the members, this is also what the thread is about ^

From an objective point of view, this whole thing sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

Still, I want to stand and deliver... but I'm kinda torn here. God knows what's gonna happen.

Maybe the protests will be peaceful and civil, maybe violence will break out... maybe the two groups don't oppose one another as much as I'm taking for granted. From my personal perspective, it all seems worth the risk.

From an objective eye, however, it looks a lot scarier.

Point being; Division is bad.

Case and point.



posted on Aug, 22 2013 @ 08:26 AM
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By "division is bad" do you mean "assimilate' or be enslaved or killed if you don't become a Muslim??

Quote; Allah is our objective; the prophet is our leader; the Quran is our law; Jihad is our way; dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.

Before you say these are just the radicals here is a quote from one of the radicals, "there are no moderate Muslims, just stupid ones who don't know the implications of there own religion.

Also look up"Takiya", Islamic concept of deception.

Where does this sound like the division is coming from??these types are imposing there will on American's, do we not have the right to perceive a threat and protect our homeland?

Are you really this naïve about Islam's agenda and this Muslim demonstration.............I think not, no one is that uninformed and if you are by all means go to the demonstration and be all that you can be, sometimes people just don't get it tell it's in there face.
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posted on Aug, 22 2013 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by Battleline
reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX
 
I don't know about people on overpass's but I do believe that if the Muslim march gets anywhere near the number they want they won't be able to contain it and people will see the Muslim movement for why it is, a Jihad against anyone who is not Muslim.

This is the best thing that could happen to wake people up to the real meaning of the Muslim movement.

If I am wrong, I apologize ahead of time.....nothing would make me happier.




get a million muslims together... Then, have that Obama mask rodeo clown to dress as mohammed, act a fool, then watch the muslims "nut up".

then, bikers (who love America more than pretty much anyone) handle their biz..

I PROMISE.. more bikers than muslims will attend.

those million muslim marchers just lost all their "power" ... go ahead muslims, take on the bikers...death will come fast...and LOUD!!





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