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Originally posted by Khaleesi
reply to post by James1982
Thanks for your reply. Yes, I think it is all about perspective. There are so many things I could say to show you my perspective but, I am pushing the boundaries of what I feel is appropriate for me to say. Many conversations that I feel just aren't mine to reveal. Privacy and all that. The difference between want and need is a loooooooong conversation I have had many times with the kids. I think that is the root of the problem. IMO their misunderstanding of 'need' brings about the 'entitled attitude' that they exhibit. As for how they got their electronic devices? A friend of the family 'gave' them against our express wishes. Then we were left with the fall out of emotions as we dealt with the consequences. Basically, I have a hard time seeing it as anything but entitlement when I have a 20 year old living in my home, refusing to get a job, playing video games all day and acting like doing a simple chore like taking out the trash is some hugh favor. It caused many a fight between my partner and myself. She tried to get him to understand that he needed to earn something and contribute, not just live off of us. He finally joined the military and seems to be getting a clue.
As for the attitude of never being able to afford a car? I can see your point in some respects but, it still comes down to an entitled attitude to me. "I can't afford it but I know you will provide it for me." No need to even try with that type of attitude.
Originally posted by SilverStarGazer
You've just given all the reasons why you have this view and why things are a problem in your own home. You are ALLOWING it. Someone else gave your kids phones? Who is paying the bill? Even if you're not, you can still take the phone out of YOUR house. Tired of lazy kids playing video games? Why are the games even in the house then? It's called lazy parenting, not putting the work in when kids are younger and easier to manage which leads to unruly teenagers. Please don't complain about a generation you created. It just makes your generation look even worse, and since your generation created this mess we're in right now, I'm really not sure you're the best judge of ANYONE else's morals, values, achievements, attitudes, or anything else for that matter.
Take some responsibility for the mess you've made starting in your own house and work your way up the chain.
Hey now...I take this post a bit personally, when you direct it at '20 year olds'...
I'm 21, and I'm nothing like that. I've struggled and fought for everything that I've ever had in life, most often against people who acted like it was their life's mission to deprive me of.
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Every now and then I like to rant about social issues. I have a few in particular that are pet peeves of mind, one of them being Social Engineering. It's a tool that used to program adults and youth to act and think in a certain way.
To condition them to lines of thought that would otherwise be thought of as morally wrong and damaging. One such occurrence that I see today is the Special Snowflake Generation.
Before I get into that though, I wanted to express how this is just the evolution of the "Bubble Kids".
Remember, those kids that had to stay inside? Whose parents disinfected everything and made every decision for their child till the age of 18? The ones who knew nothing of losing, hard work or have any skills required to operate in the real world.
Well since that didn't seem to catch very much, we know have the Snowflakes.
Kids who are told, by their entire support system that they are special. That they should be proud of themselves for having accomplished nothing. Which in turn, creates a sense of entitlement in young people.
Young people then demand things and make noise, start protests and eventually turn to violence, all for a cause they neither know of, nor understand.
The society where everybody gets a trophy and nobody is looser. The one where little Jimmy in 5th grade is treated like gold cause he can complete 5th grade math.
Now I'm not against encouraging children to success, don't get me wrong. Accomplishments should be celebrated.
Losses however, must be taught. A child needs not only to learn how to deal with loss, but how to set themselves up for success. You can't ever achieve that on your own, if you were always guided by the hand from above.
It's maddening to listen to the freshly minted 20 year olds, who for some reason expected the world to be at their beck and call when they graduated high school. Only to find out that until they've actually done something of note, the world doesn't give a damn.
The higher education communities only see you as money unless you have something on paper that will them as an institution. Employers don't see you as a asset, but as a necessity, to be cheated and undermined at every turn in order to turn a profit.
Beyond these issues with 'street smarts' and living as an adult in the 21st century, these young adult's emotions are nowhere near developed enough to handle the stress of failure or rejection.
In personal relationships, I hear of kids who go off the college, get their first girl friend, break up halfway through the year and throw their education away. Or worse, kill themselves because they simply have not been taught, nor given the opportunity to develop their emotional shell versus failure, loss and disappointment.
This brings be back to my original point. This is all by design. Those who pull our strings, they don't want our youth educated and prepared for the real world.
They would rather, that people come into adulthood, feeling the crushing pain of debt, social decay and financial instability on even the most basic of levels. Like feeding yourselves.
This way, it only takes a few years for those young people to 'accept' the system for what it is, and become defendant of it, even subservient to it in the end. A awakened youth is not something any Oligarch or dictator wants to deal with.
The young have resolve. The kind that adults seldom show these days, even in situations or within topics that matter to them most.
Social Engineering is becoming an industry all of it's own. It started with Advertising and now it's full blown social propaganda, and we are the guinea pigs.
The only thing that will save us, is making sure that our kids know what's coming and prepare them to succeed.
By letting them fail when it doesn't matter, as opposed to when it does.
~Tenthedit on 8/21/2013 by tothetenthpower because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Emeraldous
reply to post by tothetenthpower
Soo what generation are you from? Hippy 60's, the Disco 70's, the Economic Boom 80's, the Corporate take over 90's, the fear and war 00's or the Snowflakes of change 10's?
Starting with the decline the nanosecond Ford motor cars stopped lowering in price year to year due to economies of scale. Engineers and Scientists went off on Massive Tangents and left so many basic needs unsolved! The Snowflake ideology you call self empowered, I call human heritage. Kids today are absolutely right about feeling this way, the way things should be. I say bring that self-empowered feeling back from The roaring 20's except this time food and potable water will be a human heritage.
edit on 24-8-2013 by Emeraldous because: grammar