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Family Violently Targeted After Standing Against Teacher Who Molested Their 8th Grade Son

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posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by scolai

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
So is there like a pro pedo movement out there now?
It looks like they are militant if they do exist.
This is what you get when you allow the gay rights to have center stage and get their way, now it's just a nudge for other sexual perversions to want their rights too. There's a pedophile somewhere wanting to marry kids, teach kids at kindergarden the pedo lifestyle, be able to adopt children as a pedo etc....


Wow ... just wow.

For the record, shame on you and shame on the biggots that starred this post. Now it's time to debunk those claims:

1. The LGBT community has publically renounced NAMBLA and other pro-pedophilia organizations on several occassions.

2. While you're thumping your bible as if a magic god will come out and grant you three wishes, the rest of us are living in the real world. The truth of the matter is that more than likely, the other teachers were defending their friend ... as many people do when their kid/spouse/friend/parent admits to or is sentenced for a crime. "That's not like him! He'd never do a thing like that!" It's more denial/disbelief than some militant group of child rapists. Furthermore, the torching of the home and garage was simply reactionary. They may have thought they were going to lose their jobs and took action. Was it the right action to take? No ... it was reactionary.

3. I would like to remind you that gays are not responsible for pedos, rapists, natural disasters, 9/11, murder, gay recruitment, or any other weird things your feeble little christian minds invent.


Oh look, another pedo apologist.
Your number 2 is spot on apologetic. Thanks for further highlighting my points.

Attacking me won't change the fact that his fellow teacher defenders brought the gay aspect into the story.
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posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 04:44 PM
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Judging by the hateful recoil of gay rights activists to this story, maybe their groups need to be suspect to the arson attack on the victim's family.

A hypothetical list of suspects seems to now include,
Teachers Union thugs
Underground Pedophile groups
The convicted pedophiles friends and family
Gay rights activist thugs

Who else would want to torch the family of the child that got raped?

A sick sick world out there.



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 04:50 PM
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Oh look, another pedo apologist.


Christian tactic number one: Mincing words and basing your beliefs on what you wanted to read, rather than what was written. Go on.


You number 2 is spot on apologetic. Thanks for further highlighting my points.


Apologetic in what way? By saying these people were in denial because their friend molested a kid?


Attacking me won't change the fact that his fellow teacher defenders brought the gay aspect into the story.


And bringing the gay aspect into the story won't change the fact that it was a church that bailed out the molester.


To top it all off, Janczewski was pained that a church down the road from his house posted bail for their son’s molester.


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So maybe if we allow churches to run rampant and get their way, pedophiles will also eventually get their way too? Let's have a discussion about banning religion along with gay marriage, shall we?

Your move.



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
reply to post by flipflop
 


Michigan does not have the death penalty. When MI became a state in 1837, it did have the death penalty until it was abolished in 1846. Though treason against MI did hold a death sentence into that to was repealed in 1963.

No person in Michigan has received the death penalty since the law was abolished in 1846.

Cirque


Well that is bad news, time to bring it back methinks



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by scolai

Oh look, another pedo apologist.


Christian tactic number one: Mincing words and basing your beliefs on what you wanted to read, rather than what was written. Go on.


You number 2 is spot on apologetic. Thanks for further highlighting my points.


Apologetic in what way? By saying these people were in denial because their friend molested a kid?


Attacking me won't change the fact that his fellow teacher defenders brought the gay aspect into the story.


And bringing the gay aspect into the story won't change the fact that it was a church that bailed out the molester.


To top it all off, Janczewski was pained that a church down the road from his house posted bail for their son’s molester.


source

So maybe if we allow churches to run rampant and get their way, pedophiles will also eventually get their way too? Let's have a discussion about banning religion along with gay marriage, shall we?

Your move.


In small communities, there are probably teachers union members, gay rights activists, fellow pedophiles, and the friends and family of the convicted who may be members of the same church, so what's your point? Any one of them could have gotten the church to post the bail so their name was not on the act of bailing him out.



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by TinfoilTP

In small communities, there are probably teachers union members, gay rights activists, fellow pedophiles, and the friends and family of the convicted who may be members of the same church, so what's your point? Any one of them could have gotten the church to post the bail so their name was not on the act of bailing him out.


Well well well, look who's being an apologist now! So it's ok when small communities, such as this, and the catholic church defend pedophilia? I see your point. If god molests, then it's cool.



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 05:11 PM
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I don't know. The death penalty is one of those things I'm conflicted on. Both sides make good arguments. Since I'm conflicted, it better left for others to decide. I certainly don't believe that a predator should walk fee or simply be subject to house arrest however.

Cirque



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 05:14 PM
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So their 8th grade son was molested. Definitely terrible. As if that wasn't bad enough, there are people supporting the teacher that did it. Of course, that wasn't bad enough so now the family is being targeted. I really don't understand this. It just seems too surreal to be true. I honestly feel sorry for that family. I can't imagine what they're going through. At least the teacher got convicted, so there's that.

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
So is there like a pro pedo movement out there now?
It looks like they are militant if they do exist.
This is what you get when you allow the gay rights to have center stage and get their way, now it's just a nudge for other sexual perversions to want their rights too. There's a pedophile somewhere wanting to marry kids, teach kids at kindergarden the pedo lifestyle, be able to adopt children as a pedo etc....
well this thread turned homophobic pretty quick. Gays are consenting adults, pedophiles are not. I suggest you look up the motto of this site, because you seem to have clearly forgotten it.



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by scolai

Originally posted by TinfoilTP

In small communities, there are probably teachers union members, gay rights activists, fellow pedophiles, and the friends and family of the convicted who may be members of the same church, so what's your point? Any one of them could have gotten the church to post the bail so their name was not on the act of bailing him out.


Well well well, look who's being an apologist now! So it's ok when small communities, such as this, and the catholic church defend pedophilia? I see your point. If god molests, then it's cool.


Hey, I am all fine with adding the church to the list of arson suspects, if the church can be shown to have acted on their own by church authority and not simply the local congregation in bailing him out.

Here's a case where a church is used to bail someone out of jail.
To quote the judge,

Manhattan Judge Edward McLaughlin said posting the bail seems to be an allowable use of church funds -- but only provided that congregants approve the expenditure with a majority vote


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So you see it is the members of the congregation that must approve the expenditure of funds for a judge to accept bail. Which simply means if the accused has friends in the church they get bailed out legally.



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 05:56 PM
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I read through most, but not every post. So, sorry if this was already asked or mentioned.

All totaled, how many teachers, school administrators and others DID NOT stand up for the pedophile?

The reason I bring this up is because, as we know, pedophiles stand up for each other big time -- like no other group. I've also heard from very reputable sources that around 35% of child molesters are female.

Some deviants do not have a sexual fetish for children, but they do send child porn over the Internet or are somehow involved in child porn/distribution. They are horribly sick, disgusting people. They all stand strong and stand up for each other like no other group. Very disturbing, but very true.

One example (of many) was a pedophile who lived a few blocks away from where I had once lived. When I mentioned something about him (at a meeting on child safety) to a community board member, whom I had suspected was possibly a pedophile, he charged at me. I have seen this behavior many other times. After he went berserk and became aggressive and pushed a chair against the wall and called me names this confirmed my suspicions about him ... which was why I brought up the topic of 'the town molester' that was no secret.

A pedophile in the room will become hostile or change the topic if someone mentions anything negative about pedophiles in general. These sick people stand up for each other no matter what -- more so than other groups.

So, all totaled how many adults in this particular school community did not stand up for the pedophile?

My point is, this should raise some very serious concerns. I think that those who stood up for the pedophile should be investigated, as it is a big red waving flag. Maybe they could look into their online activity, etc.

It seems they are just as sick, or possibly knew something about this and, maybe they would not actually molest a child, but are distributors of child porn. What normal person stands up for a pedophile? Answer: None.

A person is either a child molester OR they are not --- no in-between. They also NEVER have one victim, they have many and also repeat victims. And, the only people who support them are other child molesters/deviants. A normal person does not and will not support the disgusting behaviors and crimes of pedophiles.

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posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 06:14 PM
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wbrcteachers.blogspot.com... link to the wifes letter requesting leniency....pretty sad read honestly

but it did let me correct my ignorance on a matter,the child of the pedophile was not his biological child and was from his wife's previous marriage, so that at least corrects my assumption that it was his biological father so hey he might be gay instead of bi like i had originally erroneously concluded


but i will say its sick of the mother to say the child (cody) was not harmed by the teachers molestations and to say it would unfairly punish their child is ludacris,he should not even be allowed to be near his daughter after being a convicted pedophile and hope they do not allow her to visit her father in prison as most people would agree 6 year olds dont need to be near pedophiles

in answer to the above members post i don't know any teachers that spoke out against this i would assume its comparable to the blue wall of silence that is often brought up in cases involving law enforcement if that analogy makes sense? but the above link has the letters of requested leniency.

www.recalleagan.com... a petition to recall egan


www.ogemawherald.com...,photos after confessing he is now appealing his conviction so so much for what all the letters said about taking personal responsibility


WEST BRANCH — It appears Neal Erickson, a former Rose City teacher convicted of first-degree criminal sexual conduct and sentenced to 15-30 years in prison, may be appealing the sentence. Attorney Joan Ellerbusch Morgan, of Sylvan Lake, filed a certificate of ordering transcript on appeal with the 34th Circuit Court Aug. 5. The document shows that Ellerbusch Morgan ordered the transcripts from Erickson’s July 10 sentencing.


this guy is a piece of work and i hope he gets his appeal process and the judge raises the sentence to life instead of 15-30 as the first judge hated him and after all these theatrics im sure the second one will toss the book at him and hopefully put him Under the jail


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posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 06:26 PM
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seems he is being treated as a level IV prisoner meaning he is getting protection on the inside and is not gonna be in gen pop either.

mdocweb.state.mi.us... he wont be out of jail at minmum before 2028 and not longer then 2048 depending on how his appeal goes they could either reduce sentence or add more time

what is a level IV offender? www.michigan.gov...


Level I - V prison housing - In general, the higher the security level, the more security risk a prisoner presents in terms of manageability or escape potential. Level I has a single security fence and does not house sex offenders; Secure Level I can house sex offenders and has full security perimeters; Secure Level I and above all have secure perimeters which include double fences, razor wire, video monitoring systems and a perimeter detection system. Some prisons have more than one security level.
so they have him in the highest level of security possible (sadly most likely for his protection as short eyes dont last long in gen pop)



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by queenofswords

Originally posted by crankyoldman
I know it is far easier to live in the over simplified world of black and white, but what the OP fails to see is both things are possible.

The OP is falling for this false polarity: If you don't favor stoning for child molesters you are in favor of child molesting.

The folks who are supporting the teacher have a TOTALLY different experience with him and that is reasonable. He has made a truly awful choice to be sure, but the fact that folks support him isn't beyond reason.

What is truly unfortunate is folks have been mind controlled into believing that one mistake, of any sort, means not only jail forever but the history books must be changed to remove the person from ever existing.

Then again, maybe it is a safer, more simple minded world where anyone and everyone who errors is simply shunned. Before you reply with the "but child molesting is different" please refrain, I am not in favor of the act, I am also not in favor of the act being used as a way to exhibit "hang um all" righteousness, as is the last bastion of the simple minded.


"an awful choice" (Good grief! "Uh,oh...I just raped a little boy. What an awful choice.")

"one mistake" (Pedophiles repeat their crime, over and over and over. Studies show this to be true.)

"who errors" (sp) *errs (Oops! I sexually assaulted a kid. It was just an error!")

I have no words.

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And...let me ADD this, Crankyoldman. Some issues ARE black and white. Get a clue.
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i have a clue, a clue that you cannot read at all.

If you read what I wrote I said I did not defend what he did. The fact that refrained from using inflammatory rhetoric in an effort to impart some semblance of understanding was foolish of me.

Your "kill all the bastards and those who support them" is a far better place to come from, it makes life simpler.

As for your comment about "you would have served justice already" you're a blowhard, you'd call the cops and do just what everyone else does. You are nothing more then a "what if," computer warrior. There have been very few vigilante justice murders and I know for a fact you yourself would never carry one out in spite of all our vitriolic judgment. Your vitriol is funny though.



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 06:55 PM
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There are different issues being lumped into one here.

First: I don't actually believe in extended incarceration personally -- it should be short enough for the person to have a life after and not be horribly psychologically and physically damaged, or they're just worse than they were when they went in which is as bad for the culture as it is for the individual. There are more heinous crimes -- most of which are more appropriate to mental institutions than prisons if you ask me. So the issue of the length of the man's term is one issue -- that is what his coworkers, friends or whatever were protesting.

The sentences given for things like drugs and underage sex -- and I am referring here only to individuals who are 14-15 years old or older, which I might add is even older than the marrying age was for many cultures all over the world and throughout history, it is only modern culture which has artificially extended childhood to such a degree -- are mostly out of this world ridiculous. I am NOT referring here to genuine child molestation which I believe
a) happens to younger children or
b) happens without consent (which is ALWAYS the case for younger children)

I do not see that they were saying what he did was ok. Merely that the utter destruction of the rest of his life was overkill for the crime at hand.

It was not ok for him to have sex with a teenager. Women have been incarcerated as have men for having sex with teenagers -- as have other teenagers who were simply just-overage in fact. It is illegal and unethical on a couple of levels. I don't think anybody would argue that.

But I remember 8th grade. We had kids in 8th grade who could have passed for 12th graders, some of whom were so sexual it was mind boggling -- girls as well as boys. And some of them were 3 years older than their grade level as well, so using the grade instead of age could be misleading.

I knew several gays in school of both genders, and while back then the women were conservative (not true anymore if my daughter's school was any indicator), the young men were an extremely, ah, socially active bunch on the dating scene.

So prior to sharing the utterly-aghast-horror of these parents about the 'molestation' of their 8th grade son, I would like to know a little more of the circumstance involved. THAT WOULD NOT MAKE IT OK. But it might make it a legal/ethical crime that doesn't warrant the rest of your life in prison.

So the second thing is the detail about the son -- which is oddly missing from these accounts.

The third thing relates to the violence against them which is the title of this thread. Now that is not cool at all, to say the least. Who is responsible for it, nobody knows. That's pretty crazy for sure and is a real injustice.

But it seems injust to me to imply that the entire body of community supporting the teacher not rotting in prison forever are all pedophiles-by-proxy just because they think the punishment is larger than the crime in this case.

And I think I agree that there is some knee-jerk response to the fact that the sex was between two men rather than a man and a female teen or a woman and a male teen. Then again you have to admit that there is a clear knee-jerk response to female teachers having sex with teenage male students, it's quite the media show for that as well.



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 07:01 PM
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This guy should have been freaking executed on the spot. If the proof was overwhelming...then instant death is the only cure for pedophiles.


What is it with white men and children anyways..sheesh.

The right screams when a black kills a white but is virtually quiet when another white man molests or shoots up a school...WHERE ARE YOU, RIGHT WINGERS AND YOUR OUTRAGE..

Where are your stats you always have handy to show the evils of certain groups.



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 07:37 PM
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SOLUTION: Hologram teachers and or close circuit television...



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 08:06 PM
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Well, if the stats comment includes me for how I'm always posting something along those lines, please tell me what you want to see and I'll probably be able to find it quick enough..assuming it's a set of stats people keep.

As for outrage? Well... I don't see many people NOT outraged on the thread?

@ Thread

This is directed to no one in particular. Literally.. no one person and it would apply to more than one thread, at that. However..If I hear one more person try and link Pedophilia with Homosexuality, I'll scream so loud anyone here in the States should be able to hear me out their window!

Homosexuality and Pedo have as much connection as Heterosexuality and Pedo. EITHER can be one and the VAST majority of both groups would never so much as give thought to the concept. There is absolutely NO cause/effect between being gay and raping or molesting children. These are RADICALLY different things.



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by queenofswords
I think maybe it's just one more thing parents now have to worry about. Parents worried about their daughters being ogled by some teacher, NOW with the "new" societal tolerance of "the alternative lifestyles", they have to worry about their sons. It gets just too tiring and scary.

Fathers....please teach your sons the art of fighting back, whether he is straight or gay.


I agree with you and now I'm gonna out myself. I am a lesbian. Gay does not equal pedophile. 'Alternative lifestyles' (meaning gays) does not equal pedophile. Friends and acquaintances have come and gone over the years, but I have yet to meet any gays that approve of pedophilia. They will be quite vocal in oppositions to pedophiles, in my experience. What this man did was horrible and quite frankly I feel convicted pedophiles should receive the death penalty.



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by Onslaught2996
This guy should have been freaking executed on the spot. If the proof was overwhelming...then instant death is the only cure for pedophiles.


What is it with white men and children anyways..sheesh.

The right screams when a black kills a white but is virtually quiet when another white man molests or shoots up a school...WHERE ARE YOU, RIGHT WINGERS AND YOUR OUTRAGE..

Where are your stats you always have handy to show the evils of certain groups.




Yaaaaaawwwwwnnnnnn. Politicizing, nothing more and nothing less.

Quick question...where are the left wingers and their outrage? Oops, I apoligize...I guess that is a racist question.


It really isn't though as I have seen all sorts of replies against the perp. Though it does seem to be the liberal mindset to defend this guy. Please read the entire thread.



posted on Aug, 21 2013 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by wrabbit2000

However..If I hear one more person try and link Pedophilia with Homosexuality


Actually they are the same as they are both perversions. They are both not natural and most likely a illness of the mind.

The big difference is..one is two consenting adults the other is using children for their own sexual gratification.

Since homosexuality is with two consenting people, I have no problem with what people do with each other...I can't change them and really do not care to. If they want to delude themselves into thinking it is normal that is their problem and does not effect me either way. I have gay friends who know how I feel and have accepted my view since I don;t harp on it and in no way attempt to change them or their views.







 
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