Is anyone in Britain still voting Labour, if so why?

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posted on Aug, 20 2013 @ 06:59 AM
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With news that Red Ed is falling quicker than a brick in the so called opinion polls, what amazes me is that Labour still have a rating in the opinion polls.

Now I know that government is there to simply serve their central bank masters, primarily and that secondary to that is down to ideology, but Labour's ideology is nothing short of regressive at best, destructive at worst.

Successive Labour governments and to a lesser extent Conservative governments have succeeded in turning Britain effectively into a nation of scroungers, where the most extreme manifestation of which are the millions who can work but as a life style choice choose not to work, which has contributed towards literally millions of immigrants arriving over the the past decade or so, an estimated number that is 20X the number forecast by the politicians and their academic statisticians, resulting in record high employment numbers whilst high unemployment numbers persist.

Now I'm not blaming every unemployed person, just those who choose it as a choice, but there is work out there. When I lost my job, I ended up doing three totally unrelated part time jobs to make ends meat. If you want to work, there is work out there. However, I am aware that there are circumstances that come in to play, such as someone I know who never went to school because she had to look after her younger sister and her mother was a prostitute, she has never had a job and the Job Centre is next to useless in helping her go on to courses, so there are exceptions to the rule, but there aren't millions of exceptions.

The net effect of the benefits culture is that for MOST working families, at the time of the last election it was far, far better to park themselves onto benefits than to work, the resulting £230 billion total benefits bill of which at least £40 billion is out and out fraud as a consequence of those that could work making a life style choice to instead become baby making factories to maximise benefits without consequences for the impact of having children that they have little intentions of actually looking after has on wider society.

One such manifestation of the rampant benefits fraud is Labour's Support for Mortgage Interest (SMI), which the Labour government introduced as a bribe to create approx 240,000 additional vested interest voters.

The public spin on SMI was that it supports those who become unemployed, paying the interest on mortgages for upto 2 years of upto £200,000 at a flat rate of 6.08% which translated into a maximum benefit of £12,160 per year on top of ALL other benefits. This despite the fact that the policy of zero interest rates had long since pushed mortgage interest rates to about HALF the amount of benefit being paid out! So the tax payer had been effectively paying Interest AND Capital on typical mortgages at rates of 3%, this covering interest on a mortgage of upto £400,000!

The Collation Government eventually cut the interest paid from 6% to 3.63% which still amounts to an annual benefits payment of mortgage interest to a maximum of £7,260 for what amounts to a life-time of mortgage interest payments.

The effect of the SMI benefit is at least four fold -

1. Those through no fault of their own who lose their jobs with sizable mortgages, are going to be LESS likely to take on similarly paid employment in the future again due to the impact of this mortgage benefit i.e. a family of 5 (2+3) on benefits would need to earn an estimated gross income of more than £32,000 to over come the total amount of benefits that they are likely to be in receipt.

2. It encourages benefits fraud in terms of staying on benefits for life whilst encouraging under-declaring work i.e. as self-employed cash in hand so as to maximise benefits, as it is relatively easy for benefits fraudsters to overcome the 2 year time limit such as switching to claim income support for low income and working less than 16 hour work weeks or claiming that they have a disability.

3. The benefit is not only available to those of working age but also to pensioners upto a £100k mortgage, this defeats that whole purpose of what the benefit was said to be for, i.e. as a temporary support for those who become unemployed, when more than half the claimants are pensioners, which effectively means that the tax payer is paying for the next generations inheritance rather than prompting the downsizing and freeing up the housing stock which the likes of the bedroom tax encourages.

4. It encourages systematic benefits fraud in terms of citizens and also acts as a beacon to attract immigrants who have already mapped out how they will proceed to defraud the system and achieve their goal of obtaining a property with an over £200k mortgage so as to maximise benefits income potential whilst engaging in undeclared work as the state supports their children whom they live with but don't live with to further maximise benefits. This is one of the reason's why immigration to the UK has been about TEN Times that the last labour government promised it would be.

The above are just 4 examples as there are many more variations to this fraudulent benefit such as paying for second homes i.e. towards buy to let property portfolios.

The coalition government is desperately attempting to unwind labour's benefit for life culture through several mechanisms including introducing a £25,000 benefits cap and the bedroom tax, thought both of these are repeatedly watered down to dilute savings on the annual benefits bill or to entice those that could work to actually start to contemplate working (legally).

The above is just one such example of Labour's total incompetence at balancing books and running a country, other than in to the ground. The effect of their 13 year war on everything British, every British worker and everything progressive, is a British landscape, economically, culturally and socially that has changed forever and not for the better. They are not toally to blame, but my God, they fired more nails in to the country's coffin than anyone ever did. The coalition has been blamed for so much, without people realising that it was Labour who set the course for the hack and slash that the Tories had to carry out. It is the same story whenever Labour have been in power.

So, out of curiosity, is there anyone here who will still vote Labour in the next election?

I for one will be voting UKIP, I don't think they will do any good, but at least its a change from the blue and red.


edit on 20-8-2013 by SecretFace because: (no reason given)
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posted on Aug, 20 2013 @ 07:08 AM
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Around here you could put a 3 legged donkey with asthma up for election and so long as it had "official labour candidate" written on it it would still get voted in



posted on Aug, 20 2013 @ 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by Maxatoria
Around here you could put a 3 legged donkey with asthma up for election and so long as it had "official labour candidate" written on it it would still get voted in


lol indeed but I'd actually vote for the donkey ahead of a Human Labour candidate anyday



posted on Aug, 20 2013 @ 07:27 AM
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Thats why the system broken.
There are area for both parties were they could say they babies and still get office just because the voters in the area vote for the same party cause daddy did and there daddy before them.



posted on Aug, 20 2013 @ 07:40 AM
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All citizens who apply for assistance from the taxpayer are means tested, if they're not destitute and/or on the brink of homelessness they don't get anything.

However, means-testing doesn't apply to politicians. Because despite their bulging bank accounts, mansions, luxury lifestyles, full-time 'work' (cough) and handsome salaries, MP's have made it so only THEY can take anything they want from the taxpayer pot, mortgages paid on second homes and don't even have to be threatened with homelessness to get it like the rest of us have to. They use taxpayer money to fund their entire lifestyles, one that you or I could only dream of, and leave their hoarded wealth untouched and dodging taxes in offshore accounts.

What's your opinion on these type whom also take from taxpayers, even though they have personal fortunes and don't need to?

edit: I'm gonna give UKIP my vote too.
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posted on Aug, 20 2013 @ 07:43 AM
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Originally posted by Maxatoria
Around here you could put a 3 legged donkey with asthma up for election and so long as it had "official labour candidate" written on it it would still get voted in


So true. They have almost nothing going for them either. My grandad, and I presume a lot of the older generation, always votes labour because it was the "working man's party". No other reason at all. That coupled with low voter turn-out of younger folks means Labour are gonna be around for a while; well, until their voters die off I guess.



posted on Aug, 20 2013 @ 08:04 AM
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Labour voters ignore all political history.

Pure ignorance backed by a small handful of promises to make lives better in the short term (usually at a cost to the country in general) with no chance to recover.

Ive all but given up on hoping for an intelligent voting percentage. Too many idiots in parliament backed up by hordes of short sighted voting idiots. Blind leading the blind.

We need a conservative government again with some Ron Paul style country sensible vision of a stable and productive future. Taking our big nose (for such a small country) out of foreign affairs wouldn't hurt either, though now with our immigration policy the foreign affairs are now internal.

People seem to have completely ignored what made Britain Great.

You can't make something and then change all the rules and ways that got you there and expect to stay there - that's just plain moronic.
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posted on Aug, 20 2013 @ 08:09 AM
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A Politician should be made to live on his/her basic salary and only his/her basic salary, like the rest of us. All these added "benefits" are disgusting and immoral, especially when they already have a massive salary. All those involved in expenses fraud, in my opinion, should've been all thrown in jail, just like anyone else convicted of fraud.



posted on Aug, 20 2013 @ 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by Thundersmurf

Originally posted by Maxatoria
Around here you could put a 3 legged donkey with asthma up for election and so long as it had "official labour candidate" written on it it would still get voted in


So true. They have almost nothing going for them either. My grandad, and I presume a lot of the older generation, always votes labour because it was the "working man's party". No other reason at all. That coupled with low voter turn-out of younger folks means Labour are gonna be around for a while; well, until their voters die off I guess.


My late Father-In Law, a great man, but he was exactly the same. He always voted Labour because he thought it was the same party as it was in the 1930's. That died a long time ago and to be fair, even in those times they struggled to form a functioning government when they did win power. I agree though, many British who vote Labour are of that age group who still believe that Labour is the working man's party.



posted on Aug, 20 2013 @ 08:14 AM
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There is no party i know of in the UK that is worth voting for so it's all academic, by which i mean any points herein relating to party politics are just bollocks



posted on Aug, 20 2013 @ 08:15 AM
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The persons who began our decline into profit obsession were Thatchers mob, not the Labour Party.

That said, I do not vote Labour. I would do, if they were anything like the socialist organisation they used to be before that halfwitted warmongering, butt kisser Blair showed up.



posted on Aug, 20 2013 @ 08:44 AM
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The hundreds of thousands of imported voters do...



posted on Aug, 20 2013 @ 09:42 AM
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I voted Labour in 97 to get rid of the Tories , I will vote labour again at the next election for the same reason .
I don't really support Labour as they are no longer the party of the common man but I hate Tories with a passion especially this lot .



the resulting £230 billion total benefits bill

Of which the majority of that is for pensions .

It's time we stopped changing the government and instead changed the system .
Given the choice I'd say Vive la Revolution , time to take the power back ...A government of the people for the people by the people .



posted on Aug, 20 2013 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by gortex
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I voted Labour in 97 to get rid of the Tories , I will vote labour again at the next election for the same reason .
I don't really support Labour as they are no longer the party of the common man but I hate Tories with a passion especially this lot .


Which is exactly why the system is broken!!!!

You shouldnt be voteing for either!

We will never get change with this logic


Torys and Labour are both the same.....



posted on Aug, 20 2013 @ 09:53 AM
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You shouldnt be voteing for either!

I agree and I am an advocate for none participation but I didn't vote last time and look what happened

There needs to be a none of the above option on the ballot paper for people to register their lack of support for the current system ....or a revolution



posted on Aug, 20 2013 @ 09:54 AM
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The labour party trading name is Alistair Darling so you're voting for this guy.....Not Ed or ANYONE else



posted on Aug, 20 2013 @ 09:55 AM
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As far as Im concerned nothing happend.

We just got continuation of the same crap.

Labour or Conservative does it really matter? At the end of the day both want the same thing. You really think things would have turned out diffren in 2010 if Labour had won?



posted on Aug, 20 2013 @ 10:06 AM
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I have never voted in my life and i probably never will, i would vote bnp if i was ever going to vote but they are #s too so i just dont so all of this # they have caused labour conservatives lib dems ruining the country and all that is not my fault none of it is WHY because i never voted for the pricks that ruined it so i cant be blamed if i could do something about the problem i would line them all up against a Wall and shoot them starting with the billionaires in government then working my way down to the millionaires then stopping at the 500 grand or less bracket call it a cabinet re shuffle if you want but i believe it would deffinatly clean up politics and fix britian, but just look at the national debt we borrow more than we make and we aid foreign countrys that hate us?? we have multi national companys on our shores crushing our economies while stuffing the pockets of our already millionaire plus politicians for the pleasure of doing so. Our government doesn't give 2 hoots about our country they sold it and theirs souls along with it. And now they think national service is a good idea ? Will all british moderate muslims please report to the recruiting offices
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posted on Aug, 20 2013 @ 10:11 AM
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You really think things would have turned out diffren in 2010 if Labour had won?

We will never know but things haven't gotten any better under this coalition of the clueless ....unless you're rich that is .
Tax cuts for the rich and falling living standards for the poor , yeah the tories are so much better than Labour



posted on Aug, 20 2013 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by gortex
yeah the tories are so much better than Labour


Not saying better im saying the same.

The things you described started happening in Labour 2nd term. The conservatives are just following the trend.
If you vote Labour then they will continue with the Torys policys.

If you vote for either your screwed.





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