Originally posted by TruthLover557
reply to post by 2x Helix
I can relate to your post in a major way. While I know we each have our own unique story, what you wrote sounds a lot like something I would have written when I was around 20. I'm 28 now. I grew up in a similar environment, went to church and educated entirely in a Christian private school. I accepted the Lord into my life as a child and was baptized at age 9 in the Jordan River. By 17, I was literally going to the bathroom and crying during Bible classes. I was frustrated because my mind was flooded with thoughts like the thoughts you've expressed in your op. I was having an extremely hard time coming to terms with what I had always believed, the general worldview held by my Christian peers and family. And it was painful. When I was 20, I vividly remember telling my mom I was not a Christian.By 21, I was trying to let go of God when I realized he wouldn't let go of me.
I basically told God I wanted to know him, understand his word and believe in his love and be known by him. I don't know how to explain it, but the Holy Spirit came to me. I started reading the Bible and it was as if I was reading it for the first time. Understanding came to me.
You are free to seek truth far and wide. Do not allow others, family included, tell you who God is
Why can’t the forgiveness demonstrated in the NT be applied from the very beginning of the OT? Why would Jesus ever say “I never knew you” to any soul? Why am I told to stop bringing up God’s laws and actions in the OT and just focus on his son? I respond the latter with, “If the tree is rotten, why would I consume its fruit?”
Israel is meant to be a light unto the Gentiles. The Jews and Israel exist to show that God's word is true, as spoken by the prophets, so it will be.
And so, for not making a commitment, for not surrendering my soul, for not having a full understanding of the spiritual realm and choosing to remain being careful about this individual book and its authors, according to this same book, I am condemned to be tortured for all eternity. Not wiped out of existence, flesh mutilated and charred forever and ever and ever.
You are free to seek truth far and wide. Do not allow others, family included, tell you who God is or what is spiritually required of you.
"My son, if you accept my words
and store up my commands within you,
turning your ear to wisdom
and applying your heart to understanding—indeed, if you call out for insight
and cry aloud for understanding,
and if you look for it as for silver
and search for it as for hidden treasure,
then you will understand the fear of the Lord
and find the knowledge of God.
For the Lord gives wisdom;
from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.
He holds success in store for the upright,
he is a shield to those whose walk is blameless,
for he guards the course of the just
and protects the way of his faithful ones.
Then you will understand what is right and just
and fair—every good path.
For wisdom will enter your heart,
and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul.
Discretion will protect you,
and understanding will guard you." Proverbs 2
Why can’t we simply love from the heart rather than adhere to the rules and stipulations of love according these ‘holy’ texts, whose followers for ongoing millennia continue to fight over whose interpretation is right?
God's love does not expire upon death. His love endures forever. And no one, absolutely no one, has any business saying what is the "right" interpretation of the Bible.
This is what it says:
"The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
'For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?' But we have the mind of Christ." 1 Corinthians 2
All the best to you.
Originally posted by Krazysh0t
I've got a question that I've been wondering about. How can a soul without a body and therefore no pain receptors feel the pain of hell? Is hell hotter than the hottest stars in the universe with surface temperatures at 150,000 K? Also if so, shouldn't it be a lake of plasma instead of fire? What is a lake of fire anyways?
Originally posted by 2x Helix
I grew up a strong believer understanding that the Bible was THE truth, Jesus was my savior, and God was eternal love
Why can’t we simply love from the heart rather than adhere to the rules and stipulations of love according these ‘holy’ texts, whose followers for ongoing millennia continue to fight over whose interpretation is right? Hurting others hurts us all
Originally posted by 2x Helix
(cont...) Others have said that I must be sad and angry because they claim I never truly knew God’s love or because I did it all wrong for my first 20 years as a Christian. I am broken because I am told by friends and family that these thoughts are wrong, that I am missing the point, to stop asking so many questions and just have faith, and that no matter what I present to them, I will never convince them about my perspective. I know from my past conviction about Christianity to never again say “I have the truth” no matter how strong I may feel it. There is only information and experience. I will never be able to disprove a single religion, but I am more that capable of using deductive reasoning. That’s 3.85 billion (55% world population) who believe in the god of Abraham and believe I will burn forever. The idea of suicide occasionally arose from the feeling of alienation from the world (most being self-imposed) as I desired to just stop questioning see what’s on the other side, right here and now. But I remember to tell myself “endure, endure, endure” and experience this current existence.
I also feel that religion is artificially perpetuated and used politically to gain and retain power. Divide and conquer is one of the oldest forms of control. So is it not possible for history’s rulers and the rich and powerful to manipulate facts and history to maintain control? Why is it that I get so frustrated when I see corruption, ignorance and just plain stupidity in the world? Because I am genuinely concerned and passionate about not having the world burn by giving away my power and will to the belief that “it’s part of His plan or it’s in His hands”. I am not the one who disassociates from this world believing that Satan is god of this earth (2 Corinthians 4:4), that the tribulation will wipe out the bad stuff and renew everything (Revelation 21) or believing that I am not of this world (John 15:19).
It is not that I continue to ask these questions about God, I have been over with Christianity for years (unless a solid point can be made). Instead I ask the world, "Why do you continue to bow your knees and offer your souls to this demon who calls himself God and claims to be your creator?" The whole world is struggling for answers and solutions but the majority do not like to have their safety blankets tugged on and continue to await a savior.
We simply need each other and the only thing we have power over is the here and now.
Or do I just think too much?edit on 19-8-2013 by 2x Helix because: (no reason given)
reply to post by Krazysh0t
TextI've got a question that I've been wondering about. How can a soul without a body and therefore no pain receptors feel the pain of hell? Is hell hotter than the hottest stars in the universe with surface temperatures at 150,000 K? Also if so, shouldn't it be a lake of plasma instead of fire? What is a lake of fire anyways?
reply to post by Rex282
Then insult upon injury is that the Lake of Fire is hell.The book of Revelation is the only place of all scriptures to say anything of it.It is definitely NOT hell (for the above reasons).All of Revelation is a metaphor.In context it is Gods judgement of correction of cleansing ... not punishment.It is not a literal fire in the least as you pointed out it is impossible and infinitely perverted.
reply to post by signalfire
If the bible had been truly written by 'god', it would contain helpful references to such mysteries as germs, or lightning, or the nature of the universe. Since it does not, it's relatively easy to conclude the bible was written by seriously uninformed humans, not the omniscient.