Welfare for everyone is the only ANSWER for USA.. here is why

reply to post by boohoo

So what will happen when 50%+ of you population is in violation of building codes, living in shanty towns and 10 people to an apartment? My personal opinion is that they will not let it get that far, nor will they adopt the kinds of polices that help China and India deal with a large underclass populations, incapable of paying the fees associated with "code compliance".

The only other choice when these conditions eventually arise will be the expansion of welfare.

^^^^ this describes the progression over the last 25yrs or so ... or haven't you noticed ?

ppl just need to recognize their place in this travesty.
some share more responsibility than others and some shirk their responsibility onto others.
the question then becomes, which are you ?

the paradigm known as 'welfare' is what needs to change.

Originally posted by HanzHenry
reply to post by BrianFlanders

 

The govt IS ALL--- already in charge of everything..

be honest... the govt doesn't already control it all?

wow dude, that mentality is so last decade,

Yeah. They have "progressively" (incrementally) boiled the frog. What we are arguing about is consent. They never asked for my consent and I never gave it to them. And I never will. They can bully me and get their way but they WILL be tyrants. I will not allow them to take every last shred of choice away from me without at least acknowledging they did it all without my consent.

It's political rape.

Work under the table jobs, collect welfare or disability check,section 8 for housing, food stamp card, low income help for utilities, state insurance...Who's your DADDY???

Originally posted by shells4u
Work under the table jobs, collect welfare or disability check,section 8 for housing, food stamp card, low income help for utilities, state insurance...Who's your DADDY???

that is exactly the method many illegals choose here in cali.

they work, get paid, and since their marriage isn't thru the county, the wife uses one of her 5 last names and ...
wammo..

Good grief! You don't need MORE government! YOU NEED LESS GOVERNMENT!

What you are proposing has been tried before. I'm sure someone pointed it out. IT HAS FAILED!

reply to post by HanzHenry

from CA to FL to PA and back again ... it happens all over and not just with the illegals either.

heck, i just recently read a story where a northern group was busted for using their fraudulently acquired benefits to buy staple foods and then ship them to other countries

don't get me wrong, i'm not against helping those in need but what this group was doing had nothing to do with Americans in need.
linky

this statement really bothers me though ...

as the benefits are only meant for use in the home of the recipient

which is hilarious when you think about it because many recipients don't have "homes" in which to use them

it's just more propaganda to shame those who have little, yet, are willing to share with those even less fortunate than themselves ... shame, shame on the AG spokesperson

reply to post by HanzHenry
Yep...Thats why I LOVE the USA...plenty of cheese lines to pick from...that is if you are not too proud or too lazy to stand in the line...

here is the predictable outcome:

Will we change any...any of our habits as a culture? no
Will the economic system list for the long haul? no
Will we all end up on welfare? probably not (mostly a financial thing. Unless we go communist, then the taxes simply cannot support such a thing.

so, we just wait for an entire economic breakdown and perhaps a few civil wars, then regroup into some representative socialist government. Until then, there will be no change, no negotiation, no sense.

Originally posted by Elentarri
Good grief! You don't need MORE government! YOU NEED LESS GOVERNMENT!

What you are proposing has been tried before. I'm sure someone pointed it out. IT HAS FAILED!

when has it been tried and failed naturally verses through warfare?

-looks at northern European areas, Denmark and the like-
Looks ok there...

Originally posted by Unity_99
The Venus Project, grass roots run from communities up, with councils of citizens and everyone with top notch cosmic real sciences, keely, tesla, clean fusion and ABUNDANCE, is the only solution.

Freedom, free this planet from all ISMS, poltiics, banks, socio economic chess games and religions, (not to say don't keep the scriptures as tools to take a gnostic approach and look into, and not to say people in their private hearts don't have to never believe Higher Ups or Teachers come in, BUT, not organized religion tithing people or programming them into compromised thoughts).

What you are proposing is China's solution and SCARSITY SYSTEM.

I don't want anyone forced to work for another, or any form of slavery. I want very good volunteer education of chidlren taught if the majority, ie healthy people, who are not elderly and not working hard already with young kids, in their long timeout from work if they have a family, stopped contributing their gifts and talents and interests to the world freely, as the way Linux is done, then we'd be in caveman days. So that they get to try on many roles in school, can be retrained throughout life, and get many guilds with tools and equipments for hobbies, art, music, inventions even, and are graced with abundance.

Volunteer and share your gifts with the world, even teaching and counseling, cooking and art, music, invention, coaching, mechanical, whatnot, for a few hours say 3 or 4 X a week, and with our high tech and robotics we won't need slaves.

Abundance and whatever you can think of, if you can get a group interested even big projects can be lifted off.

Every person counts and no one assumes they have to work as slaves, they would have their own land and aquponics and there is health and nutrition and education and many automated at that. So that no one needs to be a slave or overstressed teacher, it can be done in modules on computers, or to be an overworked ER nurse or doctor, as that aslo can be done through lack of poisons in the environment and radiation and good food and natural self meds, with the herbs of the land and also through advanced scans that can determine what is wrong and advanced frequency treatments.

So less overworked staff.

Volunteers and part time work and NO FORCING.

And NO SLAVES.

Government OWN NOTHING. All Belongs To The People. Government is but the SERVANT OF THE PEOPLE. GET IT!

edit on 19-8-2013 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

I thought I would pull full quote for the re-reading. It is worthy.
Government is but the SERVANT OF THE PEOPLE. GET IT! Keep them needy - You said it before - SCARSITY and use the white man's mentality of give them four walls, food, clothes and they will want to work!

I am shocked only 2 stars; apparently the ether is still quite thick in MERICA. Progressive welfare looks a lot like a Stalin affinity.

As contactee Alex Collier's alien mentor is reported to have said,

"I still can't understand why you need money to live on the planet you were born on..."

I advocate the Zeitgeist Movement and (although the ZM is completely nonviolent), the summary execution and/or imprisonment of the few hundred people on this planet who have managed to make it near-uninhabitable, poisoned and obscenely violent.

There is really no reason to wait anymore, and time is not on our side; get rid of the corporate and military whores who want to control more than their fair share of resources and then design a localized system of governance that makes sure that everyone has free housing, food, clean water, higher education, medical care and transportation; nothing fancy and everything sustainable.

You would unleash a torrent of good will, volunteerism and spirituality that would bring about a renaissance; as Peter Joseph and Jacque Fresco have pointed out, eliminate want of the basics in life, and most crime will be eliminated. From there, everyone can develop their unique talents to offer to the world, and also to enhance their own lives. No money inducements necessary, just the good of the many.

And if you're in advertising, kill yourself now. No, really.

reply to post by HanzHenry


I watched it all fall apart. And it started with America's manufacturing jobs being moved out the country.

My mom worked for Carnation and Friskies and retired at 55 yo. My dad worked for Quaker Oats until he was 58, my aunt, Mead. Another aunt, for Lee jeans. Almost everyone in my family worked some type of a factory job and was union. They made good money, had a good pension plan, and insurance. There was always over time available, and I remember my mom working all the time and bringing enough money home to put food on the table, pay bills, buy clothes, and still have some money left over to spend or go into savings.

We went on family vacations every summer. But I have not been on a vacation in almost 7 years. Our president is on them all the time.

The 80's and 90's were a prosperous time for my parents and extended family. When they look back on it now, they talk about how the money was good, and how they worry for the future of this country without these jobs. Even my soon to be in laws worked factory jobs and they had good money and are now living off a good pension and the nest egg they built over the decades.

They all had the "American dream". My dad sold his motorcycle in 1970 to put a down payment on a home. Their house payments were $75.00 a month. They all understand that this country is now economically and morally bankrupt and nothing has been left for their children. They see our struggles, and feel helpless and they don't know what to do. What do you do when your 35 yo daughter is barely making it in the world, has a college degree, works her butt off only to have to move back home? The American dream... the jobs, the freedom, the pride is dead.

My boyfriend, who has a BA in Computer Science works in a wood shop that employs around 150 people that started off full time, tedious labor, at $8 an hour. Obama care kicked in and that job went to part time, no benefits. No way to save, just living pay check to pay check, now paying off school loans and can barely pay rent.

We are both mid 30's, and putting off our wedding, our future, and our desire to have children because we can't afford it. We both want SO much more. I too, lost my full time job when Obamacare kicked in. I lost my insurance. I now have no health care. I now live pay check to pay check, and my school loans will come due soon as well.

If you haven't been wrapped up in Obama's "go back to college" bs, please don't. It's a lie. You won't find a job. Then in 6 months Sallie Mae comes knocking. It's a sham.

Getting back to what I was initially saying, our troubles really began when America lost our manufacturing jobs. The pride of the people in earning a living has been stripped away. In the city I grew up in, most everyone was prosperous because we had these jobs. One by one they went away, leaving the community with very little. And when the jobs are gone, what do they tell you to do? Go back to college, get a degree, take out massive student loan debt. I bought into the lie.

The way our children are educated now, they will be lucky to make through college. Dumb down the populace, stop teaching them how to write, and graduate them even if they cannot read. They are the cradle to grave welfare babies. I see them all of the time. They are dependent for life. They don't understand getting up each day and going to work. They do not care. They have a sense of entitlement. They drive better cars than me. They always have money for things. Then you have people who are the working poor, who have no other choice but to take assistance to make the ends meet.

It will only get worse with Obama care in full effect. People are going to get their wages and hours cut, or lose their jobs all together.

It is a struggle to stay off govt assistance, but it can be done. We are learning to network with family, friends and neighbors. Buying and selling, bartering, and food prepping. Under the table pay jobs. It can be done. It really can... and yes it is hard to make money and it requires more work and effort, but it can be done.

I think about how hard my parents worked, they were never a stranger to hard work. They never had to take welfare. It just was not done, not in our house. My parents are doing very well, and they know that my future is shaky. They cry about it and they worry that I'm not going to be OK but I will be, because they taught me how to live right and what is important.

Originally posted by darkbake


There is no way in hell I am going to be able to survive out in the world, and especially no way in hell I am going to be able to afford to buy my own house. Right now I'm renting from a friend who bought a house.

Buying a house? :laughs: Oh God, I will never know what that is like. Ever. It must feel good though. I will be renting until I die. This is just the reality of it for me.

Anarchy.

No government.

Already got my mohawk goin' on!



(small factoid, the expression on the face in the picture was taken when he realised that he had left the stove on at home)

Originally posted by Taissa

Originally posted by darkbake


There is no way in hell I am going to be able to survive out in the world, and especially no way in hell I am going to be able to afford to buy my own house. Right now I'm renting from a friend who bought a house.

Buying a house? :laughs: Oh God, I will never know what that is like. Ever. It must feel good though. I will be renting until I die. This is just the reality of it for me.

Don't sweat it, they will be giving them away pretty soon.
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9 flags for a plea for fascism, possibly since we're in an undeclared war against humanity by monsters and role playing self appointed wanna be elites, but alas they're toilet bowl mentality lower primitive slavers, an enemy combatant to the people.

Comply with them?

Comply with what they're doing to our children?

Comply with North Korean Police State tactics?

Not even if I was the last one standing, I'd take a bullet first, and then arrest them with the cosmic teams. PERIOD.


Kids are now taught to love the SS invasion - Sub justinwoolee

I hope the 9 who flagged this do some serious soul searching, and this isn't about whether welfare is needed, I believe in venus project, no slaves, everyone including those who aren't volunteering massively abundant. The way all Good Decent Plants and Heaven is, and you can't even get there without this understanding.
This isn't about the word welfare in his title, this is about the police state and thinking they own anything. Their psuedo laws and corporate laws are slavery and massively illegal. The in reality own nothing and only operate because the majority have allowed Illegal Mafia Thugs to walk over them.

Oh and at the end of the video, they don't even want a citizen arrested to have any rights or rights to a lawyer. They consider us: Enemy Combatants.

They've been in a Silent War with us for a long long time.

www.lawfulpath.com...

yup, let's blame the poor....they are an easy target, no money, no power, no powerful "k" St. lobbies in Washington...and how has the republican house of representatives, and republican controlled state houses, tried to help?....cut education to the poor so they cannot get jobs, cut food stamps to the poor so they have to scamble just they have something to eat, cut medical care so any money the poor make from their minimum wage job can go to doctors bills, cut voting rights so they can't vote you out of office, cut housing credits so the poor have to live on the street or in slumlord digs...the motto of the republicans should be "blame the people that have nothing, and let the people that have everything off the hook"

reply to post by BrianFlanders

Your consent was not required, you are here, you draw from the available benefits of the system in place, your consent is implied.

The truth is that one must understand what one is getting sucked into before one makes the mistake of acting on the conditioning imposed by those ignorant ones who supposedly know anything. If one never participates in a certain capacity, one is not required to perform in that capacity.

If you never feed your social security account for instance, your never using it implies you are not part of it, once the account is fed funds by you, it becomes force of law that you keep feeding the account, Implied Consent, it is there for your use and participation, but since one really doesn't consciously consent, through literal, actual knowledge and understanding of the contract they are entering into, a willingly and knowingly entering into, the contract is unconscionable unenforceable and unlawful.

Faith in anything is silliness, one must question the things those we trust try to teach us, and act on what we learned from researching what they try to teach as knowledge.

Too many agree to enter into contracts before they understand exactly what they are agreeing to.

I have a bottle of vodka in the freezer, I'm gonna kill my brain now.

what the sheeple don't comprehend is how Capitalism has ALWAYS worked..

there has to be the haves and the have not(s). The system would NOT WORK otherwise.

Capitalism has ALWAYS led to ---> DEBT. and overtime a larger and larger number of victims.

Debt has ALWAYS led to ---> Servitude*

Servitude by its mean, is NOT FREEDOM... only free-DUMB... free to blindly chest bump "I work for mine, Im free,, der yuk, der dee dur.. I don't need ism(s).. der dee yuk der.. i'll use my 2nd amendment...der dee dur cuz Im a Fuh-Freeh.. der dee yuk der"


FFS ... we are already in this INSIDIOUS form of slavery that most are COMEPLETELY if full-on retard mode to admitting!!


The masters need to give some VASELINE darn it... at the very least... WELFARE is JUST THE Vaseline..ffs

the "other" part is already being done to us!!! ffs!! I can't believe this.. its like arguing with CHRISTIANS!!

oops.. maybe it is.. roflmao



* if you have to routinely work either:
-to clothe
-house
-feed
-indebtedness
yourself, then YOU ARE ALREADY in BONDAGE/SERVITUDE



Being brainwashed, blind to, ignorant of, or denying won't change the FACTS

No economy in the entire planet any where is any good if they depend on government and they all eventually collapse if the government becomes to big is a fact of life on the entire planet with every single nation that ever existed.