What the bleep do we know?, page 1

posted on Nov, 11 2004 @ 01:20 PM

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Okay, this took me awhile to actually find a good place to post this topic but I believe since the subject matter involves primarily quantum physics that Science and Technology would be the best fit.

I came across the movie trailer reciently which is interviewing 14 scientists and some mystics regarding on Quantum Physics and its relationship to our thoughts, activities and every aspect of our lives. You can view the trailer here and look at some of the research on this site.

I have yet to see this movie but it looks very interesting and was wondering what your thoughts may be on the implications of this some of these theories

Here is a little bit on one of the studies in the movie:

Until the groundbreaking work of a pioneer Japanese researcher whose astonishing discovery about water, documented photographically, changed most of what we didn't know�and led to a new consciousness of Earth's most precious resource.

Dr. Masaru Emoto was born in Japan and is a graduate of the Yokohama Municipal University and the Open International University as a Doctor of Alternative Medicine. His photographs were first featured in his self-published books Messages from Water 1 and 2. The Hidden Messages in Water was first published in Japan, with over 400,000 copies sold internationally.

What has put Dr. Emoto at the forefront of the study of water is his proof that thoughts and feelings affect physical reality. By producing different focused intentions through written and spoken words and music and literally presenting it to the same water samples, the water appears to "change its expression".

Essentially, Dr. Emoto captured water's 'expressions.' He developed a technique using a very powerful microscope in a very cold room along with high-speed photography, to photograph newly formed crystals of frozen water samples. Not all water samples crystallize however. Water samples from extremely polluted rivers directly seem to express the 'state' the water is in.

Agnis

posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 12:45 PM

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Water's expressions? Well that sounds a bit strange, but I haven�t seen the film yet, so neither I can criticize nor I can praise.

Emily_Cragg

posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 01:08 PM

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If you have read, "The Holographic Universe" or S.I. Hayakawa's "Language In Action," this is nothing new.

Our brains are merely a map--inclusive or exclusive--of what we perceive.

If we learn to perceive the subtle relationships, we discover that everything expresses everything.

There are no secrets. It's the NWO that wants to try to MAKE things secret that the whole Universe already knows:

Mankind is INFECTED with the disease called "Deceit"

If you look at the Mandelbrot Set called NWO, there are lies, tricks and deceit at every single level of the set. Satan's OWN self-righteousness lies at the very root of the whole system of Babylon the Great.

HereticHulk

posted on Aug, 5 2006 @ 03:32 PM

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video.google.com...

This video is on google now.

Good documentary, I thought!?

Wikipedia said the movie was criticized for being pseudoscience and they got the facts wrong about what percentage of water our bodies are!?

Can anyone smarter than me tell me the non truths this movie portrays?

apc

posted on Aug, 5 2006 @ 05:23 PM

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It's an OK movie/documentary... some of the narrators do misrepresent a lot and push an atheistic bias. For example one woman (Im pretty sure it was a woman... scary...) after making a few "Nothing so silly as the notion of God [paraphrase]" said with pride "emotions are nothing more than chemical reactions!" In the next scene, another man says "the moment an emotion is felt, the [insert some brain part here] releases chemicals into the blood stream." The latter statement was accurate, as the emotion comes first, then chemical release. But this fact was presented very rapidly and in a manner to mislead the viewer into believing the former.

Thats the only thing that really stands out in my mind... it's been a while since I watched it. Good humor, the jokes were funny. Recommended for someone with little to no knowledge of quantum mechanics, but should be taken in context.

Harte

posted on Aug, 5 2006 @ 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by HereticHulk
...Wikipedia said the movie was criticized for being pseudoscience and they got the facts wrong about what percentage of water our bodies are!?

Can anyone smarter than me tell me the non truths this movie portrays?

Hulk,

I'm not saying that I'm smarter than anyone, and in particular I'm not saying I'm smarter than you, so don't go green on me.

But I do have here a link to a review of the movie you mentioned. This review, from Skeptic Magazine, has a truly amusing title:

Ramtha’s School of Quantum Flapdoodle

Read that, and you won't feel it necessary to ask for people that are smarter than yourself.

Harte

frozen_snowman

posted on Aug, 5 2006 @ 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by HereticHulk
This review, from Skeptic Magazine, has a truly amusing title:

Ramtha’s School of Quantum Flapdoodle

Read that, and you won't feel it necessary to ask for people that are smarter than yourself.
Harte

Great topic and this is exactly how Q-Mechanics works.
When you are looking for something that you are in doubt or don't agree with, you will find everything with the same intention. That is called frequency specific.
There are so many ‘opinions’ out there and we get attracted with exactly what we are looking for. In case of the Skeptics website you will find of course (as the name “skeptics” tells us) articles to discredit any form of 'realities' experienced by 'others'.
BTW I’m a Student of RSE and the teachings have worked “magic’ in my life.

Does not matter what 'others' think or say – "others"have to experience their life.

[edit on 5-8-2006 by frozen_snowman]

nogirt

posted on Aug, 5 2006 @ 11:35 PM

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Looks like a bunch of handwaving.

Harte

posted on Aug, 6 2006 @ 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by frozen_snowman

Originally posted by Harte
This review, from Skeptic Magazine, has a truly amusing title:
Ramtha’s School of Quantum Flapdoodle

Great topic and this is exactly how Q-Mechanics works.

It is in no way at all how quantum mechanics works. In fact, it is in no way even related to any tenet in quantum theory.

Subatomic particles are not interested in your feelings.

Originally posted by frozen_snowman When you are looking for something that you are in doubt or don't agree with, you will find everything with the same intention. That is called frequency specific.

You cannot give even one single example of this in any quantum experiment, because there is none. You completely misuse the term "frequency specific" here.

Agreement or doubt has absolutely nothing at all to do with it.

Originally posted by frozen_snowman In case of the Skeptics website you will find of course (as the name “skeptics” tells us) articles to discredit any form of 'realities' experienced by 'others'.

I gues no matter what Ramtha tells you to do, you are still a slave to your own ignorance and bias.

The above review was written by a parapsychologist, and not by any editor or staff at Skeptic Magazine, which you would have known if you'd bothered to even click on the link before making your pronouncements about the review and it's contents.

Or, are you of the opinion that a publication named "Skeptic Magazine" would actually employ a parapsychologist?

I suggest you read it. It includes a few questions the author had for the filmakers, and includes some of their disgusting answers.

Harte

nogirt

posted on Aug, 6 2006 @ 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by Harte
Or, are you of the opinion that a publication named "Skeptic Magazine" would actually employ a parapsychologist?

After years of having heard of Skeptic Magazine, one day, while at B&N I passed by the magazine and periodical rack. I saw a copy of Skeptic and thought 'what the heck'?

I had no idea what I was reading. Every article was as incoherent as the last, and some authors wrote as if they went out of their way to berate others. Personally I think they are all a bunch of nut cases; parapsychologist I would prefer. 'Back off man, I'm a scientist'.

frozen_snowman

posted on Aug, 7 2006 @ 07:50 PM

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Originally posted by Harte
Subatomic particles are not interested in your feelings.

So you are saying that all of our chemicals and our receptors in our body are not "particles" ?

You cannot give even one single example of this in any quantum experiment, because there is none. You completely misuse the term "frequency specific" here.
Agreement or doubt has absolutely nothing at all to do with it.

We are takling here in different ideas - You figure that out....

I gues no matter what Ramtha tells you to do, you are still a slave to your own ignorance and bias.

That is very true that I'm slave to my own ignorance and bias ( I only know what I have experienced)- To set the record straight: Ramtha does not tell anyone what to do.
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The Skeptic Magazine would not have hired a parapsycologist who would be in agreement with Ramthas Teachings.
There are actually (para)psycologists out there who tested JZ and Ramtha and they would have presented a differnt story.

Harte

posted on Aug, 8 2006 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by frozen_snowman

Originally posted by Harte
Subatomic particles are not interested in your feelings.

So you are saying that all of our chemicals and our receptors in our body are not "particles" ?

Only if you're saying that your air conditioner is a collection of iron atoms, carbon atoms, copper atoms, long chain polymers and cloroflourocarbon atoms.

And, oh yeah by the way, most of the above atoms are too big to display many quantum effects on anything like a consistent basis. So I suppose you would consider your airconditioner to be a collection of bosons, leptons and hadrons?

Originally posted by frozen_snowman

You completely misuse the term "frequency specific" here.
Agreement or doubt has absolutely nothing at all to do with it.

We are takling here in different ideas - You figure that out....

Can't argue with that. There is, after all, a huge difference between reality and fantasy.

Originally posted by frozen_snowmanThe Skeptic Magazine would not have hired a parapsycologist who would be in agreement with Ramthas Teachings.
There are actually (para)psycologists out there who tested JZ and Ramtha and they would have presented a differnt story.

No doubt Skeptic Magazine wouldn't publish in favor of a hoax like the Ramtha stuff. IMO, it should be illegal for anyone to do so.

Here's a little info on Ramtha, for anyone that cares to know the truth:

Ramtha Fraud

Harte

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Boatphone

posted on Aug, 8 2006 @ 05:08 PM
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Harte and others,

Is the movie at all truthful, I have heard it was a really "cool" movie, but I don't care to see it if its full of garbage. Thanks.

-- Boat

TheGoodDoctorFunk

posted on Aug, 8 2006 @ 08:37 PM
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I have a copy of the movie, and have watched it a few times. It definately brings a spiritual factor into quantum theories. As with anything spiritual, the movie raises more questions than answers, perhaps on purpose. Like your friends said, it is definately a "cool" movie. There are some instances in the movie that will make even the most impressionable person question the validity (The Native Islander's 'Discovery' of Columbus, for one) of the statements.

If you're looking for a creative and very loose interpretation of Quantum Theory, this is the one. If you're looking for more solid info on what makes our universe tick without picking up a book (and a few year's worth of high math and science), I'd suggest The Elegant Universe

Then again, might as well watch it.

Boatphone

posted on Aug, 8 2006 @ 11:42 PM
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Thanks for the information, yes I've read the Elegant Universe, by Brain Greene. Good Book.

-- Boat

frozen_snowman

posted on Aug, 10 2006 @ 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by TheGoodDoctorFunk
If you're looking for a creative and very loose interpretation of Quantum Theory, this is the one. If you're looking for more solid info on what makes our universe tick without picking up a book (and a few year's worth of high math and science), I'd suggest The Elegant Universe

The Elegant Universe is probably one of the best presentations (so far) of the whacky and wild Quantum World.
There is no “boring” part it the 3 hour movie presentation wich includes also a slice of history about this topic.
Filmmakers did their best in presenting a boring Topic (Quantum Physics) with result to become more entertaining for the Viewer.
The Elegant Universe and "The Bleep" are my favored Movies (besides Shrek
) , because of outstanding annimations - it is a feast for the Viewer.
Let’s hope there will be more 'QM' documentaries in the future.

toasted

posted on Aug, 10 2006 @ 01:22 AM
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boatphone,

it came out of kalipornia
what do you think it is full of ?

hollyweird always has a hidden
agenda

never trustworthy , ever !
unless of course, you are trusting them
to be true to themselves

build319

posted on Aug, 10 2006 @ 12:23 PM
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Wow, I'm amazed that my thread has been revisited nearly two years after I started it.

This movie is essentially a collection of thoughts from a group of critical thinkers. Some have great credentials and others....well...not so much. One of my favorite sources in this movie is Fred Alan Wolf. He's got the credentials and he's an amazing mind to learn from.

The key to this movie was more to get you to think on how your thoughts affect you and the world around you. This is one thing I believe to be true. But who the hell cares about my beliefs?

If you really start examining the theories of super positioning it will start to blow your mind because it really takes away our views of what is supposedly constant. Observation, Perception and Chaotic theory I think all play a roll.

If one electron can decide by itself if its to be treated as a wave or as mass until we observe it what does that say about us? Are we the ones who truely create the universe based off of our own observations and perceptions?

For some more information youtube Robert Anton Wilson. He's got some pretty amazing ideas.

leapofdreams

posted on Aug, 11 2006 @ 12:11 AM
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If you have not watched it yet dont it is a waist of time. The amount of information that is in this movie is not worth the earitating acting and sad visual representations of quantum world on our scale of existence. Read The Elegant Universe by Brian green or watch the Elegant Universe. And prep your self for a lot more reading There is a lot more to it than just a show.

build319

posted on Aug, 11 2006 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by leapofdreams
If you have not watched it yet dont it is a waist of time. The amount of information that is in this movie is not worth the earitating acting and sad visual representations of quantum world on our scale of existence.

I disagree with you on this. I think the movie presents a different way for you to look at the universe and the world around you that anyone can understand.

It's not really meant to be a Quantum Physics for Beginners class or anything like that. Its meant to inspire you and plant a seed into your mind that there maybe some other ways to explain this whacky world of ours.