reply to post by FlyersFan
Back to the topic .... THIS TOPIC HAS
RUN OUT. The OPs original statements
have not been debunked. After all
these pages, it still holds true. Large
chunks of the Qu'ran (as well as
Judaism and the Old Testament) have been shown to be untrue. The Qu'ran
is corrupt. It's not all from God.
(neither are the old Jewish books or
the Christian Old Testament). Looks
like the case is closed.
not really closed =) more like a little Eid vacation.
Btw Happy Eid to you FF! and to all others here on the thread.
The chunks from Qur'an that you claim have been shown to be untrue cannot really be proven one way or the other absolutely.
The ones who dig into them to prove or disprove are missing the whole point of that story. I have mentioned this before, its like someone arguing if
the tortoise and the rabbit really raced
rather than taking the lesson in the story.
Also you are completely ignorant of islamic history and what struggles muslims went through to just keep being muslims.
Try reading from some academic history sources, although i doubt if you really want to know the reality as you seem quiet comfortable with your
perceptions and phobia about Islam.
Qur'an is the Word of God and uncorrupted.
The attempt by the op is nothing different than similar wishful thinking that the christian sites propogate and people looking to confirm their
prejudice gobble it all up without even caring to verify it. Their moto is "if it makes Islam look bad/wrong, it must definitely be true"
The op is nothing but a cunningly arranged interpretation of reported events to suit an agenda.
Its the same as saying "because Jesus' (pbuh) tomb was found empty and no dead body was found, he must have escaped and went to India"
if you believe the op, you have to also believe any interpretation of any event, even if it selectively twists the facts to suit a purpose.
Variation in a personal copy of Qur'an does not automatically prove that the official copy(compiled by earnest and rigorous efforts to preserve
unaltered) must be corrupted.
Variation means that either of them could be wrong or they are acceptable variations, as the op mentioned about the 7 ahruf.
Selectively using the 7 ahruf card when it serves a purpose but ignoring it when it also explains variations stinks of the existence of presumed
Nobody can help a person who only wants to see what he/she wants to see.
(i predict a back atchya coming
my point is simple, facts can be twisted/omitted/selectively picked to present a desired interpretation.
This is a universal truth and anybody trying to refute this would only insult himself/herself.
The point is simple. The op is an interpretation and a very shaky one at that.
Umar r.a. making a public declaration about verses of stoning not being a part of Qur'an, means they are not and all companions knew it, he just
wanted to make sure that the ruling that still was applicable should continue.
And you pointing out that i approve of stoning and trying to deflect answering the real point was not missed.
The stoning verses were abbrogated in the time of the Prophet pbuh and all companions knew it and agreed to it.
You think that Umar r.a would have believed that they are a part of Qur'an and meekly accepted them not being included?