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Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by beezzer
So we should be all for Obamacare yet still ignore and sometimes endorse abortions
no i dont condone abortions, but people have free will given to them by the creator,
it is not up to me to "control" their free will.
xploder
There you go ATS MSNBC's Ed Schultz a phony pundit for the phony administration as if they 'care' about anyone ,but their own agenda.
Originally posted by benrl
Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by beezzer
So we should be all for Obamacare yet still ignore and sometimes endorse abortions
no i dont condone abortions, but people have free will given to them by the creator,
it is not up to me to "control" their free will.
xploder
And you don't see how forcing someone to buy medical care is not in violation of their free will given to them by their creator?
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by XPLodER
We who oppose Obamacare are being called "phony Christians" by those who hate the idea of Christian faith even playing a part in healthcare.
The irony is epic.
Originally posted by XPLodER
to be part of the USA you can be conscripted into military service,
this is not free will but you accept it,
because it is for the benefit of your country,
to be part of the USA you pay taxes for roads,
this is not free will but you accept it,
because it is for the benefit of your country,
yet you draw the line at paying taxes for healthcare
and claim that its socialism?
i think the dichotomy is interesting,
you would go to war and dye for your country,
but not pay extra taxes for the Americans you served for?
And you don't see how forcing someone to buy medical care is not in violation of their free will given to them by their creator?
Never said any of the above, What I said, is making someone buy health care an affront to free will yes or no?
You want to play on the religious argument at least go with render on to Caeser what Caeser wants, and in this case a tax for health care.
Even that could be argued that part of Citizenship in the US is to take part in the system, which would be by speaking out, and voting against things the government is doing that you don't believe.
Hell if it lowered cost and made health care affordable or free I would be all for it, BUT leave christian ideals out of it, because if you want to bring those up America has a long way to go before that excuse flies as anything other than pandering by the media.
Originally posted by Wonders
reply to post by neo96
Well that's sure interesting, thank you for bringing this to our attention. Though I do honestly believe that bad things happen to all people, especially in this day and age, and not just Christians, phony or otherwise.
Originally posted by XPLodER
religious, answer if jesus came to earth do you think he would approve of you "turning the other cheek" and not helping the poor and sick?
my answer, you invoke the image of a military ruler (Caeser) to reinforce the "confiscation", aspect of your argument, without answering about why you agree to pay taxes for roads.
why?
I oppose this legislation and though its law I support reps that will oppose it as I feel it does none of which it claims, only making the system more overburdened. Opposition to this law, does not equate to opposition to health care reform, thats the first of many logical fallacies you are operating under. AS to the Jesus comment, I think he would !@#$ slap every christian that was bitching about health care reform, while things like Abortion and over crowded foster care system, and Illegal wars, exist. Health care would be the last of his problems with America Religion needs to stay the hell out of Policy, period, AS an American and a Christian, I recognize the need to keep ones religion separate from government policy.
I agree with infrastructure spending, so I support my reps that go along with that.
I agree with infrastructure spending, so I support my reps that go along with that.
I oppose this legislation and though its law I support reps that will oppose it as I feel it does none of which it claims, only making the system more overburdened.
Opposition to this law, does not equate to opposition to health care reform, thats the first of many logical fallacies you are operating under.
AS to the Jesus comment, I think he would !@#$ slap every christian that was bitching about health care reform, while things like Abortion and over crowded foster care system, and Illegal wars, exist. Health care would be the last of his problems with America
Religion needs to stay the hell out of Policy, period,
AS an American and a Christian, I recognize the need to keep ones religion separate from government policy.
I agree with infrastructure spending, so I support my reps that go along with that.