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‘Children of God Will Die’: MSNBC Host Says Only ‘Phony Christians’ Oppose ObamaCare

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posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by XPLodER
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So we should be all for Obamacare yet still ignore and sometimes endorse abortions


no i dont condone abortions, but people have free will given to them by the creator,
it is not up to me to "control" their free will.

xploder


And you don't see how forcing someone to buy medical care is not in violation of their free will given to them by their creator?



posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 08:02 PM
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We who oppose Obamacare are being called "phony Christians" by those who hate the idea of Christian faith even playing a part in healthcare.

The irony is epic.



posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 08:10 PM
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Well that's sure interesting, thank you for bringing this to our attention. Though I do honestly believe that bad things happen to all people, especially in this day and age, and not just Christians, phony or otherwise.



posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 08:12 PM
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There you go ATS MSNBC's Ed Schultz a phony pundit for the phony administration as if they 'care' about anyone ,but their own agenda.


NBC has always been a left wing shill. The good thing about MSNBC being even further left is that no one watches it. They are preaching to a few hundred thousand left wing zombies.


V



posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by benrl

Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by beezzer
 



So we should be all for Obamacare yet still ignore and sometimes endorse abortions


no i dont condone abortions, but people have free will given to them by the creator,
it is not up to me to "control" their free will.

xploder


And you don't see how forcing someone to buy medical care is not in violation of their free will given to them by their creator?


you are trying to equate two things that are not similar,
let me explain,

abortion, is from an action, called sex
having sex is free will, the consequences could be pregnancy, or in your example abortion,

sickness is a disease, it is not a choice (in most cases)
and it is not your free will that makes you sick.
you have no choice but to be sick.

equating the two is incorrect.

to be part of the USA you can be conscripted into military service,
this is not free will but you accept it,
because it is for the benefit of your country,
to be part of the USA you pay taxes for roads,
this is not free will but you accept it,
because it is for the benefit of your country,

yet you draw the line at paying taxes for healthcare
and claim that its socialism?

i think the dichotomy is interesting,

you would go to war and dye for your country,
but not pay extra taxes for the Americans you served for?

you would pay for roads that everyone uses,
but consider this necessary for capitalism,
while relying on taxes to build them

do you see the problem with using roads (payed for by taxes)
but saying its "socialistic" to do the same for health care?

xploder



posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by XPLodER
 


We who oppose Obamacare are being called "phony Christians" by those who hate the idea of Christian faith even playing a part in healthcare.

The irony is epic.


teh whole thing is so filled with irony that it is hard not to get angry.
(you wouldn't like me when im angry lol)

the talking head wanted to anger the right,
and point out the hypocrisy without realising that it exists on both sides.

which inits self is ironic.

i would remind you of the quote,

"it is how you treat the least among you"

it comes from the heart to care,

phoney Christians?

turn the other cheek,

it is by your deeds that you are judged,

not by the names people call you.

xploder



posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 08:22 PM
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i am reminded of a saying i heard,
i believe it was american Indian,

you have two wolves inside you battling each other for control of you choices,
one is hate and one is love,
which one do you think will win?

the one that you feed the most.

love and light my friend


xploder



posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by XPLodER

to be part of the USA you can be conscripted into military service,
this is not free will but you accept it,
because it is for the benefit of your country,
to be part of the USA you pay taxes for roads,
this is not free will but you accept it,
because it is for the benefit of your country,

yet you draw the line at paying taxes for healthcare
and claim that its socialism?

i think the dichotomy is interesting,

you would go to war and dye for your country,
but not pay extra taxes for the Americans you served for?





Never said any of the above, What I said, is making someone buy health care an affront to free will yes or no?

You want to play on the religious argument at least go with render on to Caeser what Caeser wants, and in this case a tax for health care.

Even that could be argued that part of Citizenship in the US is to take part in the system, which would be by speaking out, and voting against things the government is doing that you don't believe.

Hell if it lowered cost and made health care affordable or free I would be all for it, BUT leave christian ideals out of it, because if you want to bring those up America has a long way to go before that excuse flies as anything other than pandering by the media.



posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 08:30 PM
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And you don't see how forcing someone to buy medical care is not in violation of their free will given to them by their creator?


It is amazing how some people do not understand that.



posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 08:33 PM
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Never said any of the above, What I said, is making someone buy health care an affront to free will yes or no?


do you choose to live in america and abide by its laws?
if YOUR answer is yes then yes,
if your answer is no then no.


You want to play on the religious argument at least go with render on to Caeser what Caeser wants, and in this case a tax for health care.


religious, answer if jesus came to earth do you think he would approve of you "turning the other cheek" and not helping the poor and sick?

my answer, you invoke the image of a military ruler (Caeser) to reinforce the "confiscation", aspect of your argument, without answering about why you agree to pay taxes for roads.

why?



Even that could be argued that part of Citizenship in the US is to take part in the system, which would be by speaking out, and voting against things the government is doing that you don't believe.


if the republicans passed it would you be as outraged as you are now?
IMHO forcing people to pay insurance is wrong, but so is letting people dye or go bankrupt, for the sake of corporate profit.


Hell if it lowered cost and made health care affordable or free I would be all for it, BUT leave christian ideals out of it, because if you want to bring those up America has a long way to go before that excuse flies as anything other than pandering by the media.


i think the fact that ANY changes were made is in of itself a small miracle
ill take imperfect over the previous situation any day

xploder



posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 08:33 PM
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This healthcare plan has nothing to do about religion. But once again Left wing communist liberal democrats think they can categorize all republicans as radical Christians. The real problem is not the denial of healthcare to children it is much bigger.
Congress and the Senate have complained they cannot afford this health care plan. These are people making $70k to $170k a year. Much more than the average American. If they cannot afford it then how do regular Christian and non Christians afford this healthcare? I watched this show and as they were ending it was said not only is it wrong not to take care of your fellow man but, it is wrong to charge him/her for it. So, I guess doctors, nurses, hospitals, nursing homes, and pharmacies, should be required to provide all services and goods for free? 16% of our national economy should just quit charging a dime for anything? Next and this is the most disturbing part of what has been done to our health care system. 10 years ago we had about 5% to 12% of the population in the United States without health insurance. Only about 6% were denied needed services. Hospitals, doctors, etc. take care of indigent patients and have been for years. No one is turned away for any life threatening health issue. Today we are about to hit 20% to 25% of the population does not have health coverage and as of 01/01/2014 when mandatory health coverage goes into effect (unless you are a democrat, union employee, Obama campaign donator, elected federal official, or an IRS employee) they estimate that 50% of Americans will not have health care coverage and will be fined for not complying to Obama care. It is not only non Christian it is criminal that the Government is going to require everyone to have health insurance with the minimum coverage costing $25,000 for a family of four. The average family of 4 makes about $60k a year. So before you go and get all religious and sanctimonious on me we have effectively denied adults and children health care through Obama Care. One last bit of information. Our country has gone through the non smoking campaign. Individuals that smoked paid taxes that went to Medicaid specifically for children. Because of the effectiveness of the non smoking movement there has been a snowball effect in shortage of funds for Medicaid. Because politicians are stupid and we are constantly brainwashed into these crappy deals we have now killed tens of thousands of children while extending the life of adults that smoked. So all we have done is killed the most defenseless people in our society Children! I guess that OK because democrats have no problem with killing children anyway.

edit on 18-8-2013 by rgzing because: typo



posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by Wonders
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Well that's sure interesting, thank you for bringing this to our attention. Though I do honestly believe that bad things happen to all people, especially in this day and age, and not just Christians, phony or otherwise.


So true and most of those bad things done to good people are by the hands of those so called congressman.



posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by XPLodER



religious, answer if jesus came to earth do you think he would approve of you "turning the other cheek" and not helping the poor and sick?

my answer, you invoke the image of a military ruler (Caeser) to reinforce the "confiscation", aspect of your argument, without answering about why you agree to pay taxes for roads.

why?




I agree with infrastructure spending, so I support my reps that go along with that.

I oppose this legislation and though its law I support reps that will oppose it as I feel it does none of which it claims, only making the system more overburdened.

Opposition to this law, does not equate to opposition to health care reform, thats the first of many logical fallacies you are operating under.

AS to the Jesus comment, I think he would !@#$ slap every christian that was bitching about health care reform, while things like Abortion and over crowded foster care system, and Illegal wars, exist. Health care would be the last of his problems with America

Religion needs to stay the hell out of Policy, period, AS an American and a Christian, I recognize the need to keep ones religion separate from government policy.



posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 09:28 PM
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I oppose this legislation and though its law I support reps that will oppose it as I feel it does none of which it claims, only making the system more overburdened. Opposition to this law, does not equate to opposition to health care reform, thats the first of many logical fallacies you are operating under. AS to the Jesus comment, I think he would !@#$ slap every christian that was bitching about health care reform, while things like Abortion and over crowded foster care system, and Illegal wars, exist. Health care would be the last of his problems with America Religion needs to stay the hell out of Policy, period, AS an American and a Christian, I recognize the need to keep ones religion separate from government policy.


Agree with this





I agree with infrastructure spending, so I support my reps that go along with that.


Don't agree with this are those are state and local issues, that get paid for by property taxes,lotteries, and toll road taxes that becomes robbing peter to pay paul where we have to many paul's,and not enough peters.


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posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 10:20 PM
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You mistake individual giving verses forced theft by government. The difference in Yeshua's way and Judaism is not to hold people upside down and shake their pockets out, but to help one another individually, and to go to the temple / church for aid. In this way, the community knows who is in need verses who is gaming the system.

The widow's mite was so valuable because SHE gave it, not because a Roman took it!

Yeshua whipped the money changers because they were abusing the people coming to worship during a Lord's feast time, and they had to buy the sacrifice but had to use temple coin which the money changers overcharged for. They had turned the celebration and worship of God into a money making scheme and robbed the people.

"My house should be a house of prayer, but you have turned it into a den of thieves!"

I think Yeshua would be disgusted with the abuse of the poor to make a buck and that is exactly what has happened. The war on poverty has given us more poor. The poor are kept desperate and more are being added to their numbers every day by the lust for power and greed in Washington on BOTH sides of the aisle.

America has been economically ruined as planned (Cloward/Piven Strategy) and we shall soon see just how bad things really are. Watch Soros next move in September.



posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 10:40 PM
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I agree with infrastructure spending, so I support my reps that go along with that.


can you tell me why?


I oppose this legislation and though its law I support reps that will oppose it as I feel it does none of which it claims, only making the system more overburdened.


i dont like the legislation either, but i think that as a first world country,
you have an obligation to your citizens,
remember america IS THE RICHEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET
can afford the largest military in the world by a factor,
so this whole "cant afford" idea makes me think BS you cant pay for it!


Opposition to this law, does not equate to opposition to health care reform, thats the first of many logical fallacies you are operating under.


while i agree with your statement, " opposition to this law, does not equate to opposition to health care reform"

i wonder what the DIRECT implications to little children would be if nothing is done,
ie kids are actually dying from this problem,
what would be the number of innocent children who would benefit from healthcare,
that currently have none,
and remember, the kids didnt cause this mess,




AS to the Jesus comment, I think he would !@#$ slap every christian that was bitching about health care reform, while things like Abortion and over crowded foster care system, and Illegal wars, exist. Health care would be the last of his problems with America


i think you are projecting your view point, to make a point.


Religion needs to stay the hell out of Policy, period,


i agree



AS an American and a Christian, I recognize the need to keep ones religion separate from government policy.


agreed, you would not like someone like me in charge,
greed would become a sin again.

xploder



posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 10:43 PM
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just a quick question,

I agree with infrastructure spending, so I support my reps that go along with that.


you dont mind paying taxes for bridges,
but not to build hospitals?

mmmmmmmmm why?

xploder



posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 10:55 PM
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People shouldn't be forced to buy health insurance even if it's cheaper, I agree with most in this thread about that. We need to figure out a solution though because some of the mandates make sense like the pre-existing conditions. People should have more power over their health, not some corporate insurance company and not the government... so how do we go about that, my solution is universal healthcare which works just fine in the UK however I realize that no 'conservative' in government will even look at it so what's a capitalist solution?



posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 11:01 PM
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Was in agreement until you went to the universal healthcare.

I know you would not stand for it if all the banks formed a super monopoly to where there was only one place to get loans, and mortgages from.

I also know you would not stand for all the big oils forming a super monopoly to where there was only one place to get gas.

I also know you would not stand for monstanto for buying up all the other seed distributors where there was only one place to get food.


So why do you believe in universal healthcare ?

We have seen anything government touches it DESTROYS.

Sigh.



posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 11:12 PM
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A capitalist solution is diversity.

Many people/business's competing against other providing a good or service

They produce a better product.

They give higher wages

They lower the cost

They give people CHOICE.

Capitalism is diversity where people will have none with universal healthcare there will be only one place to get it, and it you don't like the service or quality of the product your sol.

Private healthcare and promote diversity that is the foundation of what a free market means of course that get's spun wildly because for some odd reason people think Government provides better services, and products than the private sector which I don't get.

They have yet to deliver on that.



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