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Originally posted by Rex282
reply to post by Deetermined
you search the scriptures; for in them you think you have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.[Yahoshua].And you will not come to me, that you might have life.
That is a direct address to the pharisee and the religious of all ages that worships words and the doctrines of men not the creator God.In Matthew 5 Yahoshua said you have heard it said to those of the old but "I" say to you".The new covenant is the Law of the spirit.The spirit is the only teacher. not the letter of ther law that kills.
Yahoshua never searched the scriptures he already knew them.He was not guided by them he only did what the father said.He never tells anyone to study the scriptures to know God he always shows they testify of him for those to blind to see the Truth.The testimony of Yahoshua IS the spirit of prophecy.
Believing the scriptures does not save anyone.None of those scriptures you quoted say that.They all testify of Yahoshua and his fulfillment of what the scriptures say.Yahoshua is the savior of ALL mankind.Yahoshua is the Living word of God.
Music theory is not bad and evil.Neither are the scriptures.It is impossible to hear music naturally with my nose in a theory book.I did not learn the guidelines to music from it I became aware of them because they were already there.Now that I "know" music even when I learn something new it is not a book thing.It is a hearing thing.My experience with God is a parallel.
I know the book(which you very mistakenly and foolishly believe I don't) but immensely more important I know God.It is all a process and ever evolving just like hearing music.I don't study music books to hear more music I listen.Same with God.Everyone has to go through their process however it all comes down to listening and hearing not studying.
Just as I am positive about music being ALL about listening and hearing so is knowing God can only end up by hearing.It comes through faith HOWEVER that is not the end game.Faith is not knowing.Yahoshua never said he believed in God the father.He always said he knew the father and the father knew him....that is communion...knowing.
“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel [all mankind] after that time,” declares the Lord.“I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts.I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’because they will ALL know me"
Are the scriptures evil..God forbid...can they save anyone or make them better .. no.Yahoshua is the Living word of God.The scriptures testify of the Truth THEY are not the truth themselves.If they were would there be multiple thousand of translations and billions of conflicting interpretations.Believing the bible is the word of God is a religious extrapolation.It is exploitative at it's core.To lord it over others and manipulate them through fear of "their" God.History has proven what it does.Spew blasphemous doctrines of men like the eternal punishment of hell.
I worry because they are winning. Now it is all a wish wash of faithless humanism and liberalism
Originally posted by Deetermined
Originally posted by Rex282
reply to post by Deetermined
you search the scriptures; for in them you think you have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.[Yahoshua].And you will not come to me, that you might have life.
That is a direct address to the pharisee and the religious of all ages that worships words and the doctrines of men not the creator God.In Matthew 5 Yahoshua said you have heard it said to those of the old but "I" say to you".The new covenant is the Law of the spirit.The spirit is the only teacher. not the letter of ther law that kills.
Once again, you don't understand scripture enough to know that "the letter of the Law" was about the Mosaic laws and that Christians don't worship scripture. They worship God/Jesus and use the scripture to know what he spoke of.
Originally posted by Deetermined
Originally posted by Rex282
Yahoshua never searched the scriptures he already knew them.He was not guided by them he only did what the father said.He never tells anyone to study the scriptures to know God he always shows they testify of him for those to blind to see the Truth.The testimony of Yahoshua IS the spirit of prophecy.
How would you know what prophecy is if you don't know what was prophesied?
The scriptures testify ...they are a witness of Yahoshua to those that CAN'T hear yet.You are not understanding prophecy at all.It is not predictions of future historical events.It is ....what was, Is and will BE.Yahoshua was crucified BEFORE the foundation of the physical universe(space /time).In other words the crucifixions power is not physical.The physical was the shadow of what happened in the spiritual realm that does not exist inside the space time continuum."The testimony of Yahoshua(God IS salvation..for ALL) IS the spirit of prophecy.
First comes the testimony then faith comes through hearing THEN THE hearing comes by the LIVING word of God... Yahoshua.The scriptures are for a testimony for those that believe through faith..not knowing.That is what Paul meant when he said .
When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
Paul still didn't know then but he did later.He knew God face to face he didn't have to believe.John said "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments(not the law or ten commandments); and His commandments are not burdensome.
...you KNOW.No testifying necessary... no faith necessary..it is ALL knowing.. being ..being in a state of being of the fruits of spirit.
You have everything backwards.edit on 22-8-2013 by Rex282 because: (no reason given)
The scriptures testify ...they are a witness of Yahoshua to those that CAN'T hear yet.You are not understanding prophecy at all.It is not predictions of future historical events.It is ....what was, Is and will BE.Yahoshua was crucified BEFORE the foundation of the physical universe(space /time).In other words the crucifixions power is not physical.The physical was the shadow of what happened in the spiritual realm that does not exist inside the space time continuum."The testimony of Yahoshua(God IS salvation..for ALL) IS the spirit of prophecy.
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Rex282
The scriptures testify ...they are a witness of Yahoshua to those that CAN'T hear yet.You are not understanding prophecy at all.It is not predictions of future historical events.It is ....what was, Is and will BE.Yahoshua was crucified BEFORE the foundation of the physical universe(space /time).In other words the crucifixions power is not physical.The physical was the shadow of what happened in the spiritual realm that does not exist inside the space time continuum."The testimony of Yahoshua(God IS salvation..for ALL) IS the spirit of prophecy.
What? Can you elaborate?
Simple question for you. Do you believe in prayer?
Do you believe the bible is the word of God?.Do you believe Jesus is the word of God? Do you worship God and or Jesus?............
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Rex282
Are those supposed to be trick questions? I already told you what I believe. I already told you that I worship God/Jesus, not the Bible. What I want to know from you is why you believe that Jesus' crucifixion was some kind of spiritual event and not a physical one in order for God to reconcile flesh with His Spirit.
I asked you 3 simple questions however you can't answer all 3 simple questions with clarity so I won't be answering your question
The Vedas (Sanskrit वेदाः véda, "knowledge") are a large body of texts originating in ancient India. Composed in Vedic Sanskrit, the texts constitute the oldest layer of Sanskrit literature and the oldest scriptures of Hinduism. The Vedas are apauruṣeya ("not of human agency").They are supposed to have been directly revealed, and thus are called śruti ("what is heard"), distinguishing them from other religious texts, which are called smṛti ("what is remembered").