Common Jewish Idiom?

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posted on Sep, 11 2013 @ 11:56 AM
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jmdewey60,

re: "That's just hypothetical until you find an example of that."

I agree that the 6th day crucifixion adherent's insistence that Matthew 12:40 is using common Jewish idiomatic language to make 3 nights actually mean 2 nights is indeed hypothetical. That is why I started this topic - to see if they could provide an actual example of a statement delineating a specific number of daytimes and/or a specific number of night times when it absolutely couldn't have included at least a part of each one of the specific daytimes and at least a part of each one of the specific night times.




posted on Sep, 11 2013 @ 09:20 PM
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. . . insistence that Matthew 12:40 is using common Jewish idiomatic language to make 3 nights actually mean 2 nights is indeed hypothetical.

It's an assumption made to reconcile things that may be otherwise contradictory.

Another way to explain Jesus' quote of "three days and nights", that just occurred to me, is to look at the other enigmatic saying in that verse: "in the heart of the physical world".
If there is a "prince of this world", then maybe he was saying that he was a captive of this metaphorical person, as Jonah was the "captive" of the fish or whale.
John 14:30 & 31
I will not say much more to you, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me, but he comes so that the world may learn that I love the Father and do exactly what my Father has commanded me.
(2011 NIV)
There is a translation of the Bible called The International Standard Version, which is supposed to be a "literal-idiomatic" translation. en.wikipedia.org...
It has an interesting take on Jeremiah 51:41,
"How Sheshak will be captured, and the prince of all the earth seized! How Babylon will become an object of horror among the nations!
(ISV)
where it ends up saying something very similar to the phrase in the gospel of John.
It interestingly uses the exact same spelling in the Greek for "the world", as in the the John verse here quoted.

The point being, Jesus does not say he is dead for three days and nights.
Once he was arrested in the garden of olives trees, he was being held by the powers of the earth, until he was resurrected into the new kingdom that he was now the king of.
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posted on Sep, 11 2013 @ 10:47 PM
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rstrats
jmdewey60,

re: "That's just hypothetical until you find an example of that."

I agree that the 6th day crucifixion adherent's insistence that Matthew 12:40 is using common Jewish idiomatic language to make 3 nights actually mean 2 nights is indeed hypothetical. That is why I started this topic - to see if they could provide an actual example of a statement delineating a specific number of daytimes and/or a specific number of night times when it absolutely couldn't have included at least a part of each one of the specific daytimes and at least a part of each one of the specific night times.




Thanks for starting this thread rstrats,

Again this may not answer the question however hopefully it will clear up what Yahoshua clearly stated in the scriptures .It doesn't matter what a Jewish idiom is if it is not The Truth.There's only one way the math works and that's to do it backwards.
The scriptures clearly state the resurrection was Sunday approximately 6 AM

Sat 6pm-Sun 6am=3rd night
Sat 6am-Sat 6pm=3rd day
Fri 6pm-Sat 6am=2nd night
Fri 6am-Fri 6pm=2nd day
Thur 6pm-Fri 6am=1st night
Thur 6am-Thu 6pm=1st day

The crucifixion started about Thur 9am and ended about Thur 3pm.To be what is called three days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth would be from 6am Thursday morning.What ever Yahoshua meant by 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth is exactly what happened and The Truth.

What is not Truth is making the facts fit a theory which is what most of Christianity teaches about the crucifixion and resurrection.Yahoshua definitely was not crucified on Friday at 9am.It had to be on Thurs at 9am there are no other options.

The customary idioms are just that ... doctrines of men that make void the living word of God.This is a sign of how much the doctrines of men are being propagated as Truth but aren't.




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posted on Sep, 12 2013 @ 02:05 AM
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What ever Yahoshua* meant by 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth is exactly what happened and The Truth.
note*: not actually Jesus' name, but an archaic version of "Joshua" not used as a name in the time of Christ.

Obviously the writer of this particular gospel did not intend to portray Jesus as a liar.

The consensus of modern scholarship is that the New Testament accounts represent a crucifixion occurring on a Friday, but a Thursday or Wednesday crucifixion have also been proposed.
en.wikipedia.org...
And what do you mean by "The Truth" capitalized? Are you claiming to be the keeper of the truth, as if you are God's special prophet of truthfulness? Just wondering. I mean that we weren't there walking alongside of Jesus counting the days for him.

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posted on Sep, 20 2013 @ 11:50 AM
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Rex282,

re: "Again this may not answer the question..."


I'm afraid that it doesn't. However, someone new looking in, and who thinks that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week and who tries to get around Matthew 12:40 by saying that it is using common Jewish idiomatic language, may know of some writing as requested in the OP.





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