On MSNBC, USA Today's Page Preemptively Blames Republicans For ObamaCare Failure

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posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 08:09 PM
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A stunning piece from MSNBC that combines wisdoms from the greatest minds the world has ever known.

The philosophies of Plato, Socrates, Epicurus, Confucius, Aristotle, Zeno of Citium to name only a few all come together in this spectacular and enlightening masterpiece interview produced by MSNBC.

Pay attention, as this is not easy to absorb.

They are addressing the very important issues of the PPACA (ObamaCare) and how Republicans are all ready to squash the whole thing !!

Here we analyze the opening statements:

transcript of the exchange:

ALEX WITT: Yeah, and we keep talking about this, Susan, but despite the 40 times that the GOP and the House have overturned at least portions of the health care, the Affordable Care Act. I mean, is it going to be overturned or not? Is there a chance it could be ultimately and when might it all be implemented?
{very good question there Alex !}
But what exactly WAS the question anyway?



And by some miracle, somebody answers !!

SUSAN PAGE: You know, I don't think there's any chance it’s going to be overturned or repealed but we are entering this really critical period when we’re going to find out if it works the way it's supposed to work or not. And the Republicans, not only in Washington but in a lot of state houses, have made it as difficult as possible for ObamaCare to succeed by not participating in the expansion of Medicaid and by refusing to set up state exchanges so that people who are not now insured can go on and shop for insurance plans. I think we're likely to see a situation this fall where the new plan works well in some states like New York and California and fails in others. And then you'll have a whole new argument over whether it's working. But is it going to be repealed? Not while President Obama is in the White House it’s not.

{What
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Let's review that one more time shall we.....



I don't think there's any chance it’s going to be overturned or repealed but we are entering this really critical period when we’re going to find out if it works the way it's supposed to work or not.


Well, Susan, how could Republicans all over the country possibly be making it 'difficult' if nobody seems to know whether or not it will even work the "way it's supposed to work or not" ?

This interview actually happened !!!

watch and listen......
On MSNBC, USA Today's Page Preemptively Blames Republicans For ObamaCare Failure


Watch OUT !
It's the little train that could





posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 08:22 PM
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"And the Republicans, not only in Washington but in a lot of state houses, have made it as difficult as possible for ObamaCare to succeed by not participating in the expansion of Medicaid and by refusing to set up state exchanges so that people who are not now insured can go on and shop for insurance plans."


What ?

'by not participating in the expansion of medicaid' that has 60 million people already on it add to it 30 million new people..

See when it comes to medicaid those people are not paying for it the middle class is.

Add 30 million new people on to a program that already can't be funded and they expect the GOP to roll over ?

They seriously expect that ?

Blame the GOP is the standard go to play for the left because they are never are responsible for anything at all.

90 million Americans on medicaid WHAT A JOKE.

Contrast this with medicare that has 70 million .

That is 150 million Americans give or take +-10% on government ran healthcare.

Oh yeah I hear about all these exchanges and other BS but that makes the US government the single largest healthcare provider in the country.

Oh hell no.

GOP block this Obama care stupidity.

Block it baby BLOCK IT.


Medicaid provides health coverage for low-income children and adults, medical and long-term care coverage for people with disabilities, and assistance with health and long-term care expenses for low-income seniors. More than 58 million people rely on Medicaid services today, and millions more will qualify for Medicaid when the provisions of the Affordable Care Act take effect in 2014


Medicaid
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posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 08:23 PM
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I would say the Obvious instead . Obama himself is the reason for the apparent failure of Obamacare . ......



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 08:24 PM
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Pfft.. Obama, Nancy Pelosi and the Supreme Court (what a joke) is the reason that this scam of a law is a failure
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posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 08:24 PM
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Somebody needs to tell SUSAN PAGE, that the reason for the Medicaid "expansion" was for Obama to be able to cover the working poor but not necessarily the needy in the nation, those will still be far off the Obamacrap radar, after targeting the working class with taxes and mandate, see is not going to be vouchers for the poor or checks in the mail for healthcare but crappy Medicaid for their needs.

Susan Page is full of crap, is not Republi-crats the ones hindering Obamacare and making it a failure but the Supreme court ruling that states can not be penalized for no expanding Medicaid as we know that many state can barely handle their budgets when it comes to social programs with Obama cuts.

I wonder if people like Susan Page actually believe the crap that they spew or like many political whores in Washington they truly believe that Americans are really that dumb and stupid.
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posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 08:34 PM
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What did Obama and the Dems that pushed this bill, through, expect, when they never even READ THE DARN BILL? The bill, as we all know, was written by lobbyists for the Insurance Companies, and they didn't write the bill to DECREASE their profits or customers. Well, Mrs. Pelosi, you got your wish. You passed the bill before you found out what was in it. It brings to mind an old adage "Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it."
Brains was never a strong suit for Pelosi or her "colleagues".



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 08:41 PM
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Ask yourselves this;

Who is exempt, who is asking for exemptions, and why?

If something so "great" is already being exempt in many different arenas, maybe it's not actually great.



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 08:47 PM
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Socialized Medicine will NEVER work in the United States no matter how many Commie Wannabe's in Washington want it to Fullfill their Inflated Egos .The Creation of Wealth through Capitalism is at the Core of our Society's Ability over the last 200 Years to Create the Highest Standard of Living on the Planet , and once we Lose that Ability , so called " Affordable Health Care " will be the Least of our Concerns.....



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 08:55 PM
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They sure do not need brains when they are getting paid to do what their benefactors tells them to do.

But Insurance companies, happens to be funding more the Republicans that they do Democrats since 2011.




posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 09:23 PM
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When a large portion of the act is dependent on the states ability to do something I think it's an easy way to judge failure or success. The red states, which greatly outnumber the blue states, refuse to act in any way to comply with the law. The federal government didn't expect this outright refusal to make the best system for your state and will likely force the states into a single 'fix-all' solution come October 1st.

The Democrats agreed, completely, that some of these decisions were best left up to the states. So they let the states decide. The states refused and October 1st is approaching with 2/3 of the population clueless on what these exchanges are all about because their local leadership hasn't bothered to do anything with it.

Right now we have 17 states that have established an exchange. Most of the other states haven't even bothered to try and establish an exchange. I'll give you two guesses on what party those governors belong to.

I don't think it's failed in any meaningful way...yet.



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 09:25 PM
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The last time I had health insurance was after I left corporate America and still kept Cobra coverage for a few more years while my daughter still lived at home. If I recall it was about $460 a mn. for her and I, neither of us had any health problems. Once I decided to work for myself doing flowers and she moved out I decided to discontinue it, we rarely needed it and probably wouldn't unless of some sort of freak accident. Now some people may consider that reckless, but the fact is I simply couldn't afford it without eliminating other expenses that were a priority.

At first this made me a nervous wreck, Oh God, what if something bad happens? The odds are in my favor based on genetics, but accidents are a different matter....( knocks on wood ) Now Obama keeps saying uninsured people will be given all these "affordable" options in Oct., last time I shopped around for insurance for myself only it was around $250 a mn. , and just for the heck of it I submitted a request for a recent quote, I'll let you guys know what it is, but if it's anywhere around the $250 price point a mn. it's out of my budget.

So what changes in Oct.? If the price doesn't come down significantly I still won't be able to afford it, so am I now breaking the law, subject to fines? My car insurance would cover a big chunk of any medical bills if I was in an accident already, and if I had to I guess I would apply for emergency Medicaid. I have worked and paid taxes into the system since I was 16 yrs. old, I am now 50 yrs. old....I really wouldn't have a moral problem with asking for "help" at that point if I needed it. I have never used any kind of government assistance, I certainly don't count on Social Security being there when I'm 65 yrs. old....is my thinking wrong in some way?

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posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 09:38 PM
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I don't know how much you make or if you're currently married but I did see that you're in California. They have a nice calculator set up for you here.

Go ahead and PM me or just keep asking questions here if you still have them.



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 09:38 PM
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When a large portion of the act is dependent on the states ability to do something I think it's an easy way to judge failure or success. The red states, which greatly outnumber the blue states, refuse to act in any way to comply with the law. The federal government didn't expect this outright refusal to make the best system for your state and will likely force the states into a single 'fix-all' solution come October 1st.

The Democrats agreed, completely, that some of these decisions were best left up to the states. So they let the states decide. The states refused and October 1st is approaching with 2/3 of the population clueless on what these exchanges are all about because their local leadership hasn't bothered to do anything with it.

Right now we have 17 states that have established an exchange. Most of the other states haven't even bothered to try and establish an exchange. I'll give you two guesses on what party those governors belong to.

I don't think it's failed in any meaningful way...yet.


The whole thing was designed to fail.

Harry Reid has just about admitted it.
And the Democrats killed that 'public option' thing too just to make sure the PPACA would fail.

Don't think for one minute that 'they' were counting on those evil red states.

States refusing the exchanges will have the population go to a Federal exchange.

A lot of the problem is that the participating insurance companies won't do business in many states because they won't get enough high priced policies sold off.

It's not entirely the states' fault.

The end plan is to default to a national single system (contractors' wet dream of all dreams).

Just think about THAT corruption cesspool.



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by links234
reply to post by MountainLaurel
 


I don't know how much you make or if you're currently married but I did see that you're in California. They have a nice calculator set up for you here.

Go ahead and PM me or just keep asking questions here if you still have them.


My God man !!

Don't give her sticker shock !!




posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 09:42 PM
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If the Republicans were smart they would say nothing & just let the thing collapse under its own weight.



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 09:50 PM
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reply to post by xuenchen
 


Just trying to be helpful. Not all of us socialists are trying to kill you!



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by links234
reply to post by xuenchen
 


Just trying to be helpful. Not all of us socialists are trying to kill you!


Wheeew !!

good reply


A lot of States have the calculators.



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 10:15 PM
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Oh, my lord, I did the calculator for the heck of it, and I almost fell of the sofa,

you got to be kidding, nobody can pay that much for insurance a month, it actually will cost more a month to pay for insurance than what we pay for our three bedroom two bath home.

Is the government out of their freaking mind? you tell me that this is the so call affordable healthcare they are preaching about?

This morons in Washington that voted to bankrupt the working class in the nation needs to be hanged by their balls.

Please tell me that is joke.



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 10:21 PM
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Hey when you work in congress, and make millions and millions over your career, you start to forget what is and isnt affordable to the average person


I just did the Calculator, $460 a month, GTFO Obama, I aint paying that. Thats absurd.
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posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 10:30 PM
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It will cost my husband and I 500 dollars each a month to pay for Obamacrap and not subsidies either.

This a freaking joke, I propose a march to oppose this monstrosity in Washington. I been serious.


The corruption we call Washington and the richistans in congress really want to finish bankrupting and eliminating the working class.

Is no way in hell that my husband and I can afford this outrageous fees, we have obligations and bills to pay.

The calculator doesn't even give you room for any deductions.





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