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Bulletproof Whiteboards? When common sense takes a hike from schools.

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posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 03:30 PM
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Okay, imagine this scenario. You're a teacher or university instructor. You hear shooting outside and definitely on campus. No doubt. You've found yourself in everyone's worst nightmare who attends a school. An active shooter situation which is ongoing with no immediate help in sight. What do you do?

# 1. Lock the doors, cover or move away from view of any windows which may exist while your shelter in place? (And confirm your weapon is ready IF you happen to live in a precious couple states that give that option for defense)

# 2. Exit the classroom and try to find the shooter so you can stop the event?

# 3. Hide behind a bulletproof white/grease board?

I recommend # 1 myself. Those with a deathwish can always go the route for # 2 while some would have you take # 3. Oh, what could possibly be wrong with this? ASIDE from the fact our schools are generally in terrible financial trouble??


Calling "campus violence a reality" to prepare for, the University of Maryland Eastern Shore announced plans Thursday to spend $60,000 on the Clark Kent of teacher supplies: an innocuous-looking white board that can stop bullets.


Super-Teacher! Able to stop bullets with a grease board! It'll save the day and students alike, right? Well... no.. Actually. It won't. This is a *PERSONAL* defense item. Not a group one.


The high-tech tablet — which hangs on a hook, measures 18 by 20 inches and comes in pink, blue and green — can be used as a personal shield for professors under attack, according to the company that makes it, and a portable writing pad in quieter times.


I'm not sure what the kids are supposed to be doing while you take cover behind your little roughly 2ft by 2ft square of safety.....or who thinks the bigger and stronger students are going to allow the teacher to be the only safe one in the room anyway? I'm SURE that little problem didn't cross their mind at all.



UMES is the first university to adopt Hardwire's technology, though the company said it has sold its bulletproof whiteboards, which cost $299 apiece, to roughly 100 lower-grade schools in five states, including Maryland. It also makes bulletproof door shields, clipboards and inserts for children's backpacks, all of which it sells online.

UMES President Juliette B. Bell said in a telephone interview that she decided to order 200 whiteboards for faculty using funds from the university's foundation account so the school could be "proactive rather than reactive" in a violent situation.
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So basically, they spent an ungodly amount of money for toys. (and what do the students paying fees to support that think?!) Why do I call them toys?

- Well... For one, I don't believe there is 1 chance in 10 a teacher will hold that silly little board for a second shot. The first one? Sure.... No one knows what to expect or what is going to happen when a full blown freight train of kenetic energy hits something you're HOLDING with your two hands. If there is another intended purpose for such a small thing, I'd love to hear it.

- Second? I've read my share of reports of body armor performance among troops with things costing a whole lot more than $300 a copy and it's NOT bullet proof. Almost nothing truly is and NOTHING at $300 is going to be. Resistant? Perhaps.... I wonder what a high caliber rifle round from an AK-47 would do? I really don't have to guess for the second round, do I? The board won't be a factor on that one.

I wonder.. of the numbers of schools they say they've already sold these to....how many were flush with surplus money so NOTHING had to be sacrificed for such a thin piece of false security? I'm willing to bet few, if any schools have "surplus" money right now.

....and the game of 'fear it...fear it all' goes on for more money and more victims. God save us from these paranoid idiots. They do more harm than they could ever help address, IMO.




posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 03:34 PM
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What a complete waste of money.... stuff like this makes me seriously question the levels of intelligence out there in the world.

There's really not much more that needs to be said...



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 03:52 PM
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And this is at a university ?

And this is from a teacher at a university ?



Who makes money from this pearl of wisdom ?

We all know it's the 'intelligent' and 'most educated' that make the biggest boondoggles


Embarrassing !!



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 04:18 PM
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A simple door lock trigger-able by the teacher, say like a life alert necklace, with a secure door would do far more and cost far less than this would.

and a teacher with a CCW would cost even less and do far more.
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posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 08:23 PM
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"Technically" going for number 2 takes you out of self defense mode and puts you in offense mode. This would be a legal no-no. If you were successful it would probably be overlooked.
Also the arriving cops would be looking for someone with a gun. Tag, you're dead!



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 08:37 PM
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I smell, I smell, money money money, see somebody got the great idea that selling this crap in schools will make somebody else some profits and those willing to push the crap will get a cut of the money.


In America everything is for sell and profits to be made.



posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 05:13 PM
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Well I learned something here.

Now I know what the "BS" stands for in college degrees !



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by wrabbit2000
Okay, imagine this scenario. You're a teacher or university instructor. You hear shooting outside and definitely on campus. No doubt. You've found yourself in everyone's worst nightmare who attends a school. An active shooter situation which is ongoing with no immediate help in sight. What do you do?

# 1. Lock the doors, cover or move away from view of any windows which may exist while your shelter in place? (And confirm your weapon is ready IF you happen to live in a precious couple states that give that option for defense)

# 2. Exit the classroom and try to find the shooter so you can stop the event?

# 3. Hide behind a bulletproof white/grease board?


Well...this is how the inventor imagined it?


Tunis envisions teachers using the whiteboards individually or as a group, standing side by side to create a wall that could shield evacuating students or fend off an attacker.

"It's designed to be a last resort and to buy you some extra time," he said.


They also make..


bulletproof door shields, clipboards and inserts for children's backpacks, all of which it sells online.


And this is a Maryland College...not public School and was paid for via the college foundation, not taxpayer dollars.

If they got the money, think it is a good idea, and some company has found a niche...what's the issue?

Personally, I'd consider it as a baricade enhancer. for classrooms there is often just one door in and out, If a shooting occurs...Lock the door and place the bullet-prrof whiteboard over the window of the door?

They are $299...



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
I smell, I smell, money money money, see somebody got the great idea that selling this crap in schools will make somebody else some profits and those willing to push the crap will get a cut of the money.


In America everything is for sell and profits to be made.


Absolutely...

NRA spends record money on lobbying this year
www.publicintegrity.org...



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 11:15 AM
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We could try to make our country a better place to live so less people would do mentally unstable acts but that doesn't really help a specific few get richer.

Bandaids make a company money, not needing a bandaid does not.



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 11:18 AM
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Wouldn't it be cheaper to just give the teachers a gun....

Just sayin.... Just sayin........



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 11:26 AM
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Yeah, I caught the "intended use" thing. its about silly and ridiculous in planning on a neat, orderly and proper period of time to get themselves organized and togther.

In the CT shooting, as one example...would it have made any difference? Well, he'd have taken a few extra rounds to blow the boards out of peoples hands or wherever they had them propped up...and then done what happened anyway. To each their own on this and obviously, someone thinks $60,000 spent on these was a bright idea. I suppose the company is appreciative of that anyway.

In terms of public vs. private? As a student in school now? I don't see the distinction it makes there. Either way, it's the tuition of students usually carried by high level student debt they are drawing operating budgets from. Hence...I wonder how the students feel about the expense for the toys?

I suppose we'll see how functional they are with the first real shooting. It simply strikes me as about as well thought out and intelligent as the occasional people you see talking about "carrying" an airgun like it was a firearm and pretending to themselves that it could ever serve the same function. It's great thinking...on paper. I think it's fatal thinking in real world situations.



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 11:42 AM
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Wouldn't it be cheaper to install lockable doors on classrooms that lock shut with an alarm?
Why on Earth would anyone spend that kind of money for an 18"x20" piece of whiteboard?
Bulletproof vests can be had for $2-3000. More uncomfortable to wear but still cheaper.
I assume a little piece of protective body armor hanging on a wall at $60k isn't aiming for group safety.

Here's an idea:
Train teachers in self defense classes and ccw permit classes.
Give them the option to carry their protection. Save money.
Teach better policies on defensive maneuvers withing schools.
Hire local retired veterans to keep watch over the areas in shifts.
Keeping them busy and actively entertained while being social.
They can most certainly prevent actions from the outside.
The best defense is catching the act before it hits inside.







posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 11:46 AM
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I agree with you, Bro Wrabbit.

However, on the odd chance that the coins might just save an odd life . . . why not.

Shoot, they might eventually get together a WHITE BOARD MARCHING TEAM with great choreography and colorful flashy moves.

Besides, maybe they could hit a careless terrorist on the head with one. Or maybe sharpen the edges and swing it skillfully at a terrorist neck?

AT LEAST it would be money they wouldn't then be able to spend teaching toddlers the joys of dilldo's and anal sex. /sarc

In my later years at the college, I would say to the bigger blokes &/or ex military . . . that I'd distract the terrorists in such a situation and they were to do whatever made the most sense about protecting the students; getting them to safety and/or dealing productively with the situation.

There's a video online of how to handle such a situation. A very good one. But I've lost the link etc.

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posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 11:53 AM
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Can you imagine this scenario? A "shooter"(think govt brainwashed lone shooter) is shooting through the school hallways. The teacher yells to a student "Lock the door and get under your desk!" and then goes herself to grab her "tablet" on the wall and hides behind it in a corner.

Yeah, that sounds like what we need, something to save the teacher, and hopefully, the shooter doesn't get close enough to point his gun around it to shoot her in the head.

Dumb, and dumber.



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
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Yeah, I caught the "intended use" thing. its about silly and ridiculous in planning on a neat, orderly and proper period of time to get themselves organized and togther.


Oh, I agree...It's more suited for late night infomercials...But bottom line is that a private company made and sold it and a private university purchased it with private foundation funds.

I am supposed to be the leftist, liberal, progressive, socialist here? and you the right wing, fierce free-market capitalist?


Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
In terms of public vs. private? As a student in school now? I don't see the distinction it makes there. Either way, it's the tuition of students usually carried by high level student debt they are drawing operating budgets from. Hence...I wonder how the students feel about the expense for the toys?


The article said the funds did not come out of general operating funds, but rather the "foundation"...I can check the article and dig if need be? I'd also have to dig for full light on the distinction.


Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
I suppose we'll see how functional they are with the first real shooting. It simply strikes me as about as well thought out and intelligent as the occasional people you see talking about "carrying" an airgun like it was a firearm and pretending to themselves that it could ever serve the same function. It's great thinking...on paper. I think it's fatal thinking in real world situations.


aka...The worst of both worlds...not really effective, but enough to potentially provide enough false security where they might not take more effective commonsense steps/precautions?

Agreed...

I think re-enforced doors in cockpits make sense...why not classroom doors?

Or why not return to the root of the problem and continue the debate of what is triggering these school shootings? What is going on culturally? And of course...is there way in which limiting access by young, unstable kids to certain weapons would make a difference in death toll.



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 02:21 PM
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I think I'll go with your idea there about classroom doors. How hard could it be to reinforce one to the point where someone without lengthy time or power tools cannot get through it? Heck.. I could do it and for less than $500 a door. That's just sitting here for a minute to come up with the mechanisms it would require to lock and then fail safe those locks to prevent any chance of it opening from the side intended to defend against.

Hmm.. Then instead of $300 for a little shield I think would fit better with Link in Legends of Zelda than a full grown man or woman, they could protect every person in the room. Indeed! It sounds like if they bothered to ask some normal people out here, they could have actually done something besides feel good about "doing something".

I dont know how their foundations are set up at that school. One of these days, I'm going to do a thread similar to my big budget one, 100% dedicated to the structure and reality of modern University and Higher education funding in America. It's a real wild ride I'd say you ought to have an 'E' ticket to take...if more than a few here would know what I meant. lol.....

Anyway, it sounds like we generally agree on the odds of their little greaseboard stopping a determined killer with a high powered rifle.

I guess I'll at least give them credit for having their head in the right spot? I can't believe the school *KNOWS* these are toys and buys them anyway. I'm guessing of the people who decided to buy these...MAYBE 1 has even fired a real live gun before and not one of them has personally witnessed a shooting to have ANY clue what the kinetic forces involved are. Ignorance with the best intentions...to give them the best motives possible.



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 02:37 PM
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If I was on the University Fincance team...I would demand the vendor provide real world demonstrations via paintball? Here...I am going to take this high-velocity, large capacity, rapid fire paintball gun, you go stand in front of that white board and someone yell go! If you don't beg me to stop in 30 seconds, we'll buy your product. I guarantee I will have popped him 5 times in his head before he even pries the whiteboard off the wall.


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posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 02:50 PM
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Oh noooo kidding!


Don't do that! You almost caused me to laugh out loud..


That would go over like a fart in church when I'm sitting in the campus computer lab and 'quiet' is supposed to be the absolute.



posted on Aug, 19 2013 @ 02:56 PM
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I dunno. Maybe it's just me.

But. . .

I see a whole host of "defense" options and not a whole lot of "offense" options.

(yeah, people will say, "All weapons are offensive." Heehee-snort-)

This just plays into the "You're a victim" mentality that the government, media, schools are trying to sell.




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