The Afterlife Revealed... Step By Step

Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
reply to post by sled735

 

The idea of "Heaven" has always been difficult for me. Medieval European religion certainly accepts the three-tier system of Heaven, Purgatory, and Hell. However, for thousands and thousands of years before, and for nearly a thousand years since, the world's population has still not fully accepted that theory, because it does not appeal to everybody.

When you consider that not every human being has the same personality, ambitions, or goals in life, I cannot see a single Afterlife scenario suiting all of us equally.

~ Wandering Scribe

You make the cardinal mistake as seeing the afterlife the same as the Christian idea of heaven.
Problem: The Christian view IN LARGE PARTS is wrong.

Heaven? Purgatory? Judgement? Hell? I don't know how many tons of books i read about the afterlife and NDEs...it's funny that VERY FEW mention any of those fantasies. Because that's what it is: Fantasies, grossly distorted ideas of what the "afterlife" actually is according to those who experienced it.

Established church often OPPOSES spiritual ideas..some fundamentalists call OOBEs and NDEs "work of the devil"....thus literally denying and forbidding the "reality" of those experiences since they do not "fit in" in their (all too human) concepts of punishment, judgement etc. which the Churches makes use of to exercise control and power and to strike fear.

Whom to you believe? Your 70 year old priest who reads 3rd hand stories from a book in Church....or hundreds if not thousands of people who had been surveyed, people who report REAL spiritual experiences?

While it is true that people who have such experiences OFTEN "start to believe" after they had been atheists etc...it does NOT mean that their experiences make them believe in the classic, eg. catholic interpretation. It also means that "believing in an afterlife" and in a god/creator **** does not mean to automatically accept hell, purgatory, judgement etc... ***

Originally posted by Faitheliza
S & F Sled - thanks for posting this it actually makes a lot of sense to me I don't know if I believe in an afterlife but if I do that's how I would imagine it. I will most definitely read the book now very intriguing. Thanks again!

You're very welcome.

I know you will enjoy it.

reply to post by NoRulesAllowed

Whom to you believe? Your 70 year old priest who reads 3rd hand stories from a book in Church....or hundreds if not thousands of people who had been surveyed, people who report REAL spiritual experiences?

I believe neither.

While I'm well aware of the archaeological and historical information that reveals the Church to be a fraudulent institution, I am also well aware of the scientific and neurological studies behind NDEs and OoBEs that have found correlations between hallucination-inducing brain chemistry and experiences of NDE and OoBE.

The only reason you accept NDEs is because they align with your perceived interpretation of the Afterlife. That's why you call NDEs "REAL spiritual experiences", even though more than one billion people across the whole of the Earth can testify to the reality of Christ, of Heaven, and of Hell.

So, let me ask you: whom do you believe? Hundreds, if not thousands, of people who report an NDE with a bright light... or the billions of people who report Christ's love, and the existence of Heaven and Hell?

You are exhibiting what is called "confirmation bias", where you gravitate toward that which you already believe/accept, and discard that which goes against your personal belief system.

I do not rely on belief for any of my views on the Afterlife. I do not "believe" in an Afterlife. I approach it from a scholarly standing. Which, is why I've arrived at the conclusions I have. IF the Afterlife exists, then it is most likely to be:

A world, similar to our own. It will have fields, trees, rivers, brooks, mountains, plains, marshes, bogs, and so on, and so forth. Nearly every religion and spiritual school on Earth discusses something like the Fields of Osiris, the Elysian Fields, the Summer Lands, or the rivers Styx, Cocytus, Acheron, Periphlegethon, and Lethe.

It would consist of gated communities, with cities/villages/urban centers. Heaven has the Pearly Gates. Tir na nÓg is protected by a mystical sea which Manannán mac Lír ferries souls across at his discretion. In Hinduism one must pass through the Bardos in order to reach Yama, who determines where you go based on a system of judgment. The Egyptian Afterlife is also protected by a form of judgment (the weighing of the heart/feather of truth). Even the Norse Afterlife requires one to cross Bifrost, the Rainbow bridge, before being admitted to one of the many great halls of Midgard.

Only those who know the "keys" will be allowed access to these particular Afterlife communities. All the rest most likely wander between them, in the uncharted Afterlife. If you cannot pass Yama, Osiris, or Jesus Christ's judgment, you will not reincarnate, go to the Fields of Osiris, or enter Heaven. If you do not know the proper responses, or have possession of the Runes, then you can not navigate the Duat, or utilize the passes on the Nine World's Tree of Life.

My theory is that all of these NDE experiences are people wandering the uncharted Afterlife, the areas of the Beyond that have not been settled by any type of spiritual teacher, or a Creator, or a Host of divine beings. That's why, predominantly, these experiences consist of bright spaces, floating sensations, no surroundings, and visitations from other individuals who also do not believe in / want access to a particular Afterlife community.

Or, you know, NDEs and OoBEs are just hallucinations of an oxygen-starved brain. Your pick.


~ Wandering Scribe

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Thank you for that information. I am interested in all the different beliefs out there.

The bridges you mentioned must be the one Billy went to.

I think your theory has merit.

I just noticed I have 66 flags. I don't like that number! We need to do something about that!

sled735

What are your thoughts on this?
Do you think this could be a real account of what happens after death?

It sounds like a much more ambitious book than the one where the nueroscientist goes to heaven during an NDE or that other one with the little kid who has his own "proof" of heaven, but it's just a more ambitious version of the same sort of thing. These kinds of books are big sellers right now, and lots of writers are trying to break into the author career thing by writing them. This writer just uses a dead guy as the source instead of being the source. It's pretty standard stuff actually. Not true and not at all honest, but pretty common as books go lately.

reply to post by sled735


If you're interested in the Afterlife, all you need to do is open a book.

If there's one thing spiritualists, priests, and shamans alike love to discuss, it is what happens to us after we die.

Everything from the Holy Bible, to the Mahabharata, to the Egyptian Book of the dead, to the Epic of Gilgamesh from Sumer, and the writer of the "Celestine Prophecy" series have an account of what happens to human beings when they die.

Since there's no logical reason to accept any one particular account over another (they all have the same kind of testimony: "a dead person/deity/ascended being told me it was the truth"), you have to either discard all of them, or accept that they all have some truth/merit to them.

Since this is a conspiracy website, I imagine you're the kind who has a belief of some kind.

Happy hunting!


~ Wandering Scribe

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I'm reading www.llresearch.org... right now that a member posted here. I don't have a lot of time to read, so I'm only on page 130.
It is quite a fascinating read!

Thank you for the info on the others. I will get to them eventually. Sounds interesting.

sled735

The Afterlife Revealed... Step By Step

Disclaimer: I am not soliciting the sale of the book, The Afterlife of Billy Fingers. I only wish to get other member’s opinion on the accounts of the afterlife as described in the book, to be discussed here.

Let us begin...
After many years of reading and researching the different beliefs concerning the afterlife, I had somewhat of a vision come to me…
I saw a tree with many branches. Then a "voice" told me that we all start from the same place, which would be the root, and travel along the different paths (branches) to reach the same goal, the Source/God/Whatever you choose to call it.
No one path is the right or wrong path, only a different path. The different paths are needed to learn different lessons during our lifetimes on earth.

I came across a book recently entitled, The Afterlife of Billy Fingers. www.amazon.com...=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1376400291&sr=1-1&keywords=the+afterlife+of +billy+fingers

In this book, Annie Kagan, the author, tells the story of the channeled messages she received from her deceased brother, Billy.
He told her detailed accounts of what happens when a person dies.

Most of what he said in the book backs up my vision, and the message I received.

The first thing that happens after the soul leaves the body is the soul entering into a state of bliss.
Then we are met by someone we loved on earth, or a higher spirit, to guide us to our next destination.

There are many worlds, and the afterlife has many forms. Where you go, who you meet, and where you meet are different for different people.

One place is called the Supra World. This is what most people here refer to as Heaven. This is where newly departed souls go when they wish to meet their loved ones from earth. There are many other things that go on in the Supra World, but you can read the rest in the book. But, “heaven” is not the final destination.

According to Billy, after being met by his father, he was escorted to a healing chamber by higher Divine Beings. (This could be what Christians call Purgatory.) Billy said this is where the soul heals itself from the emotional traumas, physical scars, etc. they acquired during their life on earth.
I have also read it is during this time we regress in appearance to our early thirties, around age 33, if we are older when we die.
I have always wondered if there was a connection to the age being 33 because that is the age Jesus was when he was crucified, according to Christian religion.

After leaving the healing chamber, the soul does a life review.
This is what is referred to as Judgment Day in the Bible.
We can spend as much time on this as we want during our review. We can also look to see how, or if, things would have a different outcome by making different choices.
And… you might want to remember this one… you get to see what people thought about you; what they said behind your back, and what their TRUE feelings were concerning you.

After the past-life review we all have different destinations we go to based on our spiritual development.
Some come back to earth to reincarnate, and others go to places in the after-worlds to develop more for “becoming the universe” experience. We will all experience this phase sooner or later.

This is where Billy found himself after his life review; becoming one with the Universe.

While there he saw blue-white light beings that looked like stick figures emitting a wavy electric current.
I found this part fascinating because I have a member who posted in my paranormal thread (see my signature) about seeing these same beings walk through her garden. This could be her explanation to what they are, at long last! They are highly advanced, loving beings.

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Hiya, sled...
another fabulous thread!! (( I didn't see it until just now (on the beta test) - so I'm replying using the betatest, we'll see if it works properly.....))

This description (sorry, mods, for leaving the whole OP in the quote box - just testing...) is EXACTLY what I think happens also. The book looks fascinating....thanks for the tip!!

ETA: ANOTHER FLAG - now you have 67. Well done you!!

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Thanks Wildtimes.

Good to see you, and thanks for getting me off 66 flags.

Originally posted by vethumanbeing
reply to post by ctophil

 

You will not understand this ctophil, but this is why the reincarnated Mary Magdelene and Yeshua Ben Joseph are Atheists.

Sure I understand what you mean. However, just to explain something to the audience here, Jesus or Yeshua as you mentioned him, is currently a Heavenly Being. Of course, he can manifest his thought forms or consciousness to incarnate into a physical body today, therefore have created a brand new person and can very possibly be an Atheist or any experience he desires in this life or any lives in the past/future.

Originally posted by ctophil

Originally posted by veteranhumanbeing
reply to post by ctophil

 

You will not understand this ctophil, but this is why the reincarnated Mary Magdelene and Yeshua Ben Joseph are Atheists.

Sure I understand what you mean. However, just to explain something to the audience here, Jesus or Yeshua as you mentioned him, is currently a Heavenly Being. Of course, he can manifest his thought forms or consciousness to incarnate into a physical body today, therefore have created a brand new person and can very possibly be an Atheist or any experience he desires in this life or any lives in the past/future.

Yes is a heavenly being, as in just like you and I we have higher selves that try to direct this one in the 3rd dimension (all of us the same)..question for you; why did I volunteer as I see my other selves as cowards. (smile). I understand the concept of there being perhaps 3 of me here, and in so being can understand a Jesus overlay upon more than one as well. I happened to meet one of them and it is not idealic, as this one is experiencing itself as an atheist, paid murderer (all legal) and has no ability to father children; but its understandable totally from my perspective.

Originally posted by vethumanbeing

Yes is a heavenly being, as in just like you and I we have higher selves that try to direct this one in the 3rd dimension (all of us the same)..question for you; why did I volunteer as I see my other selves as cowards. (smile). I understand the concept of there being perhaps 3 of me here, and in so being can understand a Jesus overlay upon more than one as well. I happened to meet one of them and it is not idealic, as this one is experiencing itself as an atheist, paid murderer (all legal) and has no ability to father children; but its understandable totally from my perspective.

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What most of us want to do before incarnating onto the Physical Plane is look at our weaknesses and try to transform them into strengths. So what you saw was that one of your weaknesses is to be with a person who will teach you a good lesson about seeing God in ALL things. The problem with 99% of folks on Earth is that they choose to LISTEN and LIVE with their Lower Selves or the EGO created by your Soul as you descended onto the planet. Therefore, they are blinded by the Ego. They are usually so blind that they can't see past their judgements, depictions of evil and good, and they think that hurting others don't hurt themselves. You and I both know that all these are illusions ALL created by the Ego.

You may or may not learn your lesson in this lifetime, but I am hoping you will. Learn to accept the person's faults, for it is also his lessons as well. Learn forgiveness and unconditional love. This love is God's love, not man's understanding of love. What is the difference you ask? Well, learn to realize that man's Ego is NOT OF God and that man's Conscious Self or the Spirit came from God. Thus, you must love every man or woman's Conscious Self unconditionally. As far as you are concerned, the Ego part of the person can die and just go away. Do your best to continue teaching this person to raise their consciousness by getting rid of that ugly monster called the Ego. It has many layers of deceptions. You must be wise as a Serpent but harmless as a Dove. I am not just speaking of the other person, but also of yourself. For when you FULLY understand yourself, you will also know everybody else. Man's love is selfish, conditional love. God's love is selfless, unconditional love, which must be truly no conditions involved. People may think they love their spouse unconditionally, but it is only an illusion created by the Ego.

Another thing is that Karma plays a big role in this life as well. The life that you lead in the past may also require you to be with a person in this life to balance your Karma. For example, in the past, you were mean, hurtful, and just plain devilishly awful. This is an extreme example, but I want you grasp what I'm saying here. So in order to balance your Karma, you volunteered to be with someone who is the exact opposite of what your Earthly mind may envision. In between lives, we all have to meet with the Lords of Karma (Heavenly beings who work on balancing of the Universal Karma) eventually. So you had agreed with them to work on regulating your Karma in this life. So understand that there are many factors why certain things happen in life. Nothing in this universe is absolute; it is all subject to our choices that we make, transcending time and space.

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The OP has given us a good example of "life after death." I do want to emphasize that death itself is an illusion. Your Conscious Self or what people will refer to as the Spirit is beyond death. And as Vethumanbeing mentioned, your incarnation on Earth is incredibly difficult to obtain. It is like getting accepted at Oxford or Yale University. It is a prestigious school. Graduating from it is even harder. And if you do, you are an adept and have high honors. Millions of souls out there are waiting in line just to get a chance at incarnating into a Physical Body right now. Because while in the physical, it is much easier to learn spiritual things, since temptations are a 100 times stronger. The physical body is way more dense so it requires a lot more stuff to maintain it.

Okay with that knowledge, I want to get into more about the afterlife, since it is the subject of this thread. Everybody's life after "Physical death" is different. The OP's example has some similar characteristics. But based on your spiritual progress on Earth, your life will be different. That is why it is the utmost importance that you focus on raising your mind to a high level and not dwindle with material life so much. Do as much as you can..."storing treasures in heaven" as Jesus said. Why? Let's say that you lived an average life. You believed in God, go to church, got married, had a pretty nice job, had 3.5 kids, retired, and lived a decent lifestyle. Before we move on, let's review what I said about the Four Basic Planes of Existence in our Material Universe.

1. Identity Plane
2. Mental Plane
3. Emotional Plane (Astral)
4. Physical Plane

After death, this average person will most likely be in the middle area of the Emotional Plane. Because whatever your consciousness happens to be at the moment of death, you will end up in the plane that corresponds to your mind. The Emotional Plane can be broken up to three parts: Lower, Middle, and Upper. The interesting part is that it is very similar to what you see on Earth. The experiences in Billy's story is just the preparations for either reincarnation or continual studies in the higher planes. Most people will see a review of their lives, visit professionals to help clear the toxins of the mind, and contemplate on what needs to be done in order to go further in the spiritual path. This is all done in the after life. But that's not all, let's go back to the person who lived an average life. After doing all the preparations, you do have some resting time in the Emotional Plane. The reason why he or she is in this plane because there are some emotional psychology that has not been cleared yet while on Earth.

As said before, this Emotional or Astral Plane is just like Earth, except it is much more beautiful. Some training may be in order, but everybody in this Plane don't need food nor water. At first, you may feel like you need it. But after a while, you will realize that your new body doesn't require anything. This place has buildings, homes, trees, rocks, animals, planets, flowers, and everything that can be found on Earth. Everybody who lives in this Plane has his or her own house. The house can be built entirely using your mind! But if you are not capable of doing that yet, a house will be provided for you. All the decorations and material goods are created using the mind. You will eventually learn to do this with ease. Even your clothes are rendered with your own mind based on your personality and choices. Plants and trees don't die, they just change to something else when you are tired of the way it looks. Animals are there too, including the ones who died on Earth. But animals look more beautiful and carry many special colored designs.

You don't have to physically do anything. Your mind creates all things! One special thing is that all people's homes in this world has a study or meditation room. In there, they study spiritual things and meditate on it. There are hospitals, schools, libraries, and meeting places. The hospitals are mostly for you to find teachers that can help clear some of your psychology. There are Masters from the higher planes to teach as well. You can attend these teaching sessions if you desire.

People in this plane also will take on jobs if they want. You can be an artist, musician, singer, artisan, craftsman, or designer. Yep, there are even concerts and drama! But all the jobs like politician, lawyer, or medical doctor won't be available there. Because it's not necessary.

To be continued....

....Continued from previous post

All forms of religion are also there. Christians, Muslims, Jews, and Buddhists are all there. But some will learn to transcend those religions as they progress. So is there still strife and prejudice going on in the "after life?" You better believe it. The Ego still exists in all four planes. Only when you go to the next level after the Identity Plane called the Spiritual Realm (Heaven) does the Ego actually die. Beyond the Spiritual Realm, there is the Monadic Realm, which is the 6th Dimension. A lot of the Masters as Jesus and Buddha reside there at this moment in time.

This is more of the soul's resting period. The higher you go in the planes, the more wonderful and lovely the world looks. These planes are called Paradise. But remember that the Ego still exists there and people can still be selfish. Despite some people's beliefs, reincarnation doesn't happen right away for the majority of folks. You will live in the higher planes for many years. Some who end up in the higher Mental Planes may stay there for hundreds of years to study spiritual matters. Then, they will raise to higher planes even without reincarnation. However, some people may get tired of the life in the higher planes and want to reincarnate in order to learn faster. Learning in the higher planes is MUCH slower due to the less dense bodies, which means less temptations. The only time you reincarnate quickly is if you committed suicide, was murdered, was mentally and emotionally unstable (you were on drugs and/or alcoholic, sex addict, etc.), was a staunch Atheist, and/or was really attached to life on Earth. But with the average life I mentioned above, you will be at least in the middle Emotional Plane after death, so don't worry too much. The Lower Emotional Plane is what is known as Hell and Purgatory. The Lower part also is split up as well.

So you see, life and death as you know it is quite different for everybody. You can slightly gauge where you will be after death based on your spiritual progress in life. As always, do your best and look within your mind--for there is the Kingdom of Heaven. Allow God to be you and you be God. All things will come to you in due time.

reply to post by ctophil


Thank you for your input, Ctophil.

I'm interested in where you received this knowledge? Did it just come to you after your own research? Did you learn it in some group meditation? Was is told to you by a "voice from heaven"? Or, what?

Originally posted by sled735
reply to post by ctophil

 

Thank you for your input, Ctophil.

I'm interested in where you received this knowledge? Did it just come to you after your own research? Did you learn it in some group meditation? Was is told to you by a "voice from heaven"? Or, what?

As mentioned elsewhere in this forum, I have learned much from my own Christ Self (mediator that comes to everybody at birth) over the years. The Christ Self is similar to what you call the Holy Spirit. Its job is to let you know throughout your life about the spiritual path. It's that most people tend to listen to their Lower Selves more often and ignore their Christ Self. The Christ Self comes from a part of a Master's Mind in Heaven. They gave a part of their mind and implanted into your Soul when you were born.

However, recently, my Higher Self or I AM Presence has been my teacher for the past year. I don't channel from higher beings. I hear and listen to my Higher Self 24 hours a day while awake and asleep. People have to sit down and meditate. But I am in a meditative state constantly throughout the 24 hour period. I have trained myself to the point of doing that without being side tracked by life. Merging with my I AM Presence has been a fantastic experience so far. My energy has skyrocketed to the point where I AM never sick anymore, I can manipulate matter with my mind, and most of all, my mind is ALWAYS at peace in all circumstances. I don't seem to have questions anymore, for I am using the Christ Consciousness all the time now. This Consciousness is what we call the Mind of God, which is all knowledge.

I don't talk about my personal growth much due to people comparing themselves to me. I don't want that. I want them to use the tools I teach and grow within themselves. That is truly what we want.

Where did our medical scientologist go i wonder?



Funny how those that claim to know everything disappear like a fart in the wind when their authority is challenged...

reply to post by ctophil


Thank you for responding.

I have been reading the Book of Ra over the past week. I can't begin to tell you how many posts I have come across on ATS that this book covers.
The thing where you say you are in a meditative state 24 hrs. a day is one thing Ra suggests people do in order to achieve being able to move up into the next level, the fourth dimension of the spirit world.

I even read in the book that what we call big foot is a being from another planet that was left here many thousands of years ago. They can make themselves invisible, and this is how they avoid being captured.
But that is for a different thread... one I plan on doing soon.

reply to post by sled735


I've really enjoyed this thread. Great responses too.

I look forward to your next thread about the book you are reading talking about big foot. That sounds very interesting. I don't know that I have ever read a "spiritual" book that explained these creatures.
I think I need to read this one.

Originally posted by King Loki
reply to post by Akragon

 

lol ... If you knew everything i did about the subject of science you would be just as sure as i am


There is so much evidence for nothing happening after death that i wouldn't even know where to begin explaining it to you ...

It would be like trying to teach a 1 year old how to speak Icelandic (not a shot at your intelligence by the way, I'm just explaining how hard it would be to converge all the facts for the absence of life after deaths in less then 2-3 days full work)

we know that humans are in some way wired to believe in life after death as it helps us cope with the fact that we will all in fact die ... it's basic human psychology to protect yourself in this way ... there is also the fact that a proper psychologist can actually 100% make an atheist believe in god in less then 15 mins ... the reason they can is because it was wired into us early in evolution to help society move forward ... but as I said, to explain this to you properly would takes days and its almost midnight here at the moment.

But I have seen enough in my life and in science to realise what is actually true, and put aside believing in silly superstitions and gods and supernatural things as believing in them serves no societal or evolutionary purpose anymore.

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Why does Akragon say you dissappeared like a fart in the wind? Are they not the same thing? fart/wind, wind/fart? Your medical opinion is valid here! After all this thread has a lot in common with the A Hole and a naked flame!!