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Soros Places 1.25 Billion dollar bet on stock market collapse

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posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 01:36 PM
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Not that I put much stock in a former post here about the DHS insider, but he did mention that things would start to get underway when metals had a good dip, and the metals are just starting to pull out of a pretty significant dip. Perhaps Soros knows this and is preparing to reap the benefits of the coming downturn.




posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 02:01 PM
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The irony is that Soro's put is likely to cause a bit of panic and uncertainty. If they think Soros knows something, others may sell. It's like playing chicken and if you have a reputation of "rarely losing"... Considering the earlier reports of declines in stock values for Wal-Mart and lower than projected revenues in much of the retail market (which throws the entire "back to school" season into question) plus the "omens", Soros is playing chicken on the stock market but he has a string of semis to back him up behind him. Come Monday, I'm sure there will be a stumble in the market. Primary reason why? Because Soros is playing chicken.



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 02:51 PM
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and then he places a bigger counter bet since people will fall for his decoy



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by votan
reply to post by joeraynor
 


and then he places a bigger counter bet since people will fall for his decoy


Yes, if he has acquired call options, then he's basically making moves to hedge market risk

And just a general fyi: The cost of a put option contract is usually a lot less than the current market value of the stock involved. For example, I could buy a put option for $400 on 1000 shares of stock at a set price of $100 (from my accounting textbook so it's their example). I would have sunk $400 in the deal on stock with a value of $100k. The cost of a put option contract varies so it may not be such a starkly low cost as my textbook's example but what Soros did was acquire a put on $1.25 billion in stock. How much he actually sunk into the put option (what he really has on the line) is dependent on how much he paid for those options, which is part of the contracts and the specifics of those contracts, according to the articles, are unknown (ie they cite that they do not know the expiry dates). Could be a million or 20 million that he's used to buy the put options and it'd be that lesser amount that he has at risk in it. He'll just lose how much he paid to make the contracts if the price of the stock doesn't drop.



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 03:25 PM
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As usual the Chicken Littles of the world are PUTting in there two cents on the subject.
His "bet" pales in comparison to the volume of the market in a single day. As another poster indicates, he had to pay for the put options. Depending on his costs, he will "make" far less.

In any case, this is smoke and mirrors. The real SHTF scenario is the ever present threat that the Chinese will dump their treasury holdings and or demand their gold bars back.

Sleep well my sheeple, sleep well.



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by Cynic
As usual the Chicken Littles of the world are PUTting in there two cents on the subject.
His "bet" pales in comparison to the volume of the market in a single day. As another poster indicates, he had to pay for the put options. Depending on his costs, he will "make" far less.

In any case, this is smoke and mirrors. The real SHTF scenario is the ever present threat that the Chinese will dump their treasury holdings and or demand their gold bars back.

Sleep well my sheeple, sleep well.


Thanks for you two cents as well.


Chinese won't dump anything unless they are told to, their banks are controlled by the same group of bankers that control the rest of the world.

These are the people that make or break the world financially.
edit on 17-8-2013 by Realtruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 04:03 PM
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Most of the ATS crowd probably are not in the market to buy a new house so you may not have noticed the recent run up in mortgage rates. Its not often you see the rates increase by over 25% in just a couple weeks! People shopping for houses close to their 30 year mortgage approval price range suddenly lost $30000 of buying power. The economic recovery this spring was being driven by the home buying crowd, with 30 year mortgages in the 3 percent range you could finance some nice new furnishings in the process.. California is already reporting a bust in the spring housing price boom due to higher rates.

The banks all raised mortgage rates in an obviously preplanned stalling tactic. Wouldn't be surprised if the stock markets followed suit with a short term correction. Soros was probably in on it, hope he's greedy and the Fed steps in early to save the day.

Long term pattern may provide keys for the rest of us.

www.mortgage-x.com...
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posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by geobro
time somebody got george the jew for insider trading this is enough to spook the market or maybe thats what him and his buddys want


Sorry but he is no Jew after being in the Hitler youth old enough to know better and still having no regrets today. It should be obvious to everyone that Soros is a diehard Nazi socialist. Obama is the true head of the Muslim Brotherhood. These brotherhood types will sacrifice their own to achieve a set goal to remove America from a world power. That is exactly what Obama is doing with the help of Soros and the rest of the Nazis who still run Germany Intelligence today.

They want America de-fanged so it can no longer tell any nation what to do or influence anyone. They also want to destroy the Jews in Israel.

See how they are now hanging the Egyptian military out to dry when they have been exercising the will of the majority of people? That is so Egypt will run back to momma Russia. Putin knows what these two are up to and he is wasting no time at taking everything he can smartly.



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 09:09 PM
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Nicely put. And,, Mr Soros, If you have noticed,,,you can still be quite 'THE STUD" living on food stamps, or what is better known as your monthly food allotment card. Just look at that awesome cool surfer dude in I think it was Ramona beach,CA,,,,He's on food stamps,,,and goes surfin',,has hot chicks,,drinks nice cold beer,,,,and even relishes in some fine sushi and lobster!!! what a life,,huh? Bet you two could hook up and hang some ten together!!!



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 09:18 PM
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I think you are absolutely right,,It does NEED to happen. But,,,like history shows,,we will wake up for a while,,get a little wealthy again,, and slowly slip back to being the sick bastards we just can't seem to help being!!



posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 12:26 AM
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Originally posted by WhiteAlice

Originally posted by votan
reply to post by joeraynor
 


and then he places a bigger counter bet since people will fall for his decoy


Yes, if he has acquired call options, then he's basically making moves to hedge market risk

And just a general fyi: The cost of a put option contract is usually a lot less than the current market value of the stock involved. For example, I could buy a put option for $400 on 1000 shares of stock at a set price of $100 (from my accounting textbook so it's their example). I would have sunk $400 in the deal on stock with a value of $100k. The cost of a put option contract varies so it may not be such a starkly low cost as my textbook's example but what Soros did was acquire a put on $1.25 billion in stock. How much he actually sunk into the put option (what he really has on the line) is dependent on how much he paid for those options, which is part of the contracts and the specifics of those contracts, according to the articles, are unknown (ie they cite that they do not know the expiry dates). Could be a million or 20 million that he's used to buy the put options and it'd be that lesser amount that he has at risk in it. He'll just lose how much paid to make the contracts if the price of the stock doesn't drop.



I am familiar with options.....as I have used them before... and actually made some money.. which is why i said he counter bet.
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posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 03:51 AM
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I have to comment on this - it seriously figures. The people at the top who need to experience the effects of an economic crash in order to learn their karmic lessons are, of course, going to come out even more rich after.

Really? And someone needs to add a Facepalm emotion.
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posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by Helious

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
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George Soros is one of the most powerful and wealthiest on Earth. People talk about TPTB and Shadow Governments? That man has their inner boardroom on speed dial ...if a chair doesn't have his name embroidered in gold across the leather, of course.

He's also one of the more ruthless and predatory investor types. Gordon Gecko in Wall Street wouldn't have known what hit him to meet Soros on a market run.



Kings have been drug out of their castles and put to the gallows and the Guillotine. History, does not protect the rich and it does not teach nor protect the instigators of injustice because of wealth.

Eventually, numbers rule the day. Those that are in the so called 1% are the ones that will be targeted first when critical mass reaches the population. This fact is the very reason why you can see clearly all of the media outlets protecting those in power. The people at the top of those "news" organizations have as much to lose (Perhaps their head) as those that are undermining our society and country on purpose.

The propaganda, the authoritarian control, the aggression, it's all amped up now and moving at an incredible rate and what that tells me based on nothing else but pure history, something which I study closely is that the temple of power structure is about to implode under the weight of it's own illegitimacy.

People will only stand for so much, history has proved this over and over again ad nauseum and yet, those who have power can not be bothered to take a simple history lesson. Either that or, this is how human society is meant to be. Which one is more likely, I can not say but I will say this........... Tyranny in this country, will come to an end.


Well the heirs have learned from the mistake of their anchestors and keep a safe distance on some beautiful Island, to try and fall loopholes in the new emering system should the current one collapse, or even collapse violently.



posted on Aug, 18 2013 @ 07:11 PM
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Isn't it about time for someone to buy him some cement overshoes?





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