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Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood calls for a week of protests

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posted on Aug, 16 2013 @ 01:16 PM
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What do you do when your protests have triggered the actions to kill over 600 people at last counts? Why, you do MORE of it, of course! (Mumbles something about murderous bastards...under the breath)


"We call on the Egyptian people and national forces to protest daily until the coup ends," the Islamist group said in a statement in reference to the army's overthrow of Islamist President Mohamed Mursi last month.
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It's a short statement, but some things don't need a thousand words to communicate the point, I'd say. Egypt has a heck of a problem and describing these Muslim Brotherhood fighters as an insurgent force is starting to take on literal truth. The videos of their people pulling AK's and firing almost indiscriminately during the protests are coming out now and showing where the shooting CAME from to kill a fair % of those sitting in Cairo Morgues today.

It'll be like Syria though..I'm sure. We'll be told it's all the fault of the Egyptian Government and Military ..while those claiming it START the confrontations and call on others to start more of them, on a daily basis. It usually takes TWO to fight. In this case? It only takes one side to insure the fighting never stops...and they're making that intent known loud and clear.


Meanwhile? Egypt doesn't seem to much care what Washington thinks. Oh.. THAT has to hurt. To be ignored is the worst, I think.


But deep concern, after more than a dozen phone calls from Hagel and several more from other members of the Obama administration, including Secretary of State John Kerry, doesn’t seem to have influenced al-Sissi’s decision making on the other end of the line.

With the Obama administration clearly still willing to write a $1.3 billion check, the Pentagon seems to have had little influence in prevention the Aug. 14 massacre. And Hagel’s telephone diplomacy may have even less influence on directing whatever steps al-Sissi may yet take.
Source: The Pentagon Has Lost Its Leverage with Egypt. Now What?

Another day, another body count and another move a bit closer to a world in chaos.




posted on Aug, 16 2013 @ 01:36 PM
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Umm, I thought The Egyptian Military and the Hi court system today are the same as they were under Mubarak? Decades of repression under that US backed boot heel is why the people are rising up today.

Our government is issuing bold statements, lol.

Wheres the cry for intervention because, "They are killing their people, they are killing their people"?

Unlike other Middle east countries the US remains firmly in control behind the scenes in Egypt. There is no need for a UN resolution and "no fly zones" there.



posted on Aug, 16 2013 @ 01:48 PM
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The US is in control of Egypt? How do you figure? WHICH side would you be imagining we control? We CANNOT control both. They are mortal enemies, literally killing each other in the street as we're typing here. We HAD supported the people that led the FIRST coup against Mubarak. The Egyptian people did too.....until they saw what monster they had invited in.

22 million Egyptian Signatures on a petition to remove Morsi before the real unrest started shows the honeymoon is over and the Egyptians are sick and tired of Jihadi rule after less than a year of it.

8 million on the streets in celebration the night Morsi was shown handcuffs and a prison cell. I'd say that makes a VERY loud statement of who the people support here. This...compared to the Muslim Brotherhood. The same people who outright assassinated Anwar Saddat (Previous leader of Egypt) because he pissed them off when he made Peace.

Peace...got these people to murder the Egyptian President. ...and this last year of their unchallenged power showed they've changed nothing in their brutality toward having it THEIR way or you will be killed for interfering.

The U.S. backed the WRONG horse in this race and that horse lost. Now the current Government sitting in Cairo has about as much use for Obama as one of us would someone skilled in making horseshoes.

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Abdul Munim Abdul Rauf, a Brotherhood activist, attempted to assassinate Egyptian President Nasser in 1954 and was executed, along with five other Brothers. Four thousand Brothers were also arrested, and thousands more fled to Syria, Saudia Arabia, Jordan, and Lebanon.

In 1964, Nasser granted amnesty to the imprisoned Brothers, hoping that their release would weaken interest in the recently formed Arab Socialist Union party; the result was three more assassination attempts by the Brothers on Nasser's life. The top leaders of the Brotherhood were executed in 1966, and many others were imprisoned.

Nasser's successor, Anwar-as-Sadat, promised the Brothers that shari'a would be implemented as the Egyptian law and released all of the Brotherhood prisoners; however, the Brothers lost their trust in Sadat when he signed the peace agreement with Israel in 1979; four Brothers assassinated Sadat in September, 1981.
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These people...the Muslim Brotherhood..have a LONG and very well documented history of simply murdering who they don't agree with or who challenges them in any way. It's how Hamas runs Gaza, as well. Egypt's very life depends on winning this fight, IMO. I wish America had chosen the right side of it. For that, I'm ashamed today.



posted on Aug, 16 2013 @ 02:15 PM
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This is why the administration refused to call a coup a coup because they knew they needed the Egyptian military support for our national interests. They got themselves into trouble with the mealy mouth responses about both sides needing to reasonable and negotiate for power. I've rarely seen the Islamist willing to negotiate anything in a trustworthy fashion. To them it's Sharia law or nothing. And here we are.



posted on Aug, 16 2013 @ 04:26 PM
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This is why the administration refused to call a coup a coup because they knew they needed the Egyptian military support for our national interests.


Bingo



posted on Aug, 16 2013 @ 04:26 PM
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WHICH side would you be imagining we control?

The Top.



posted on Aug, 16 2013 @ 04:31 PM
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As usual the diplomacy of the US is with their purse (you know the mandated generosity of the tax payers) and the way to fix the problem is to increase the briberies (you know the foreign aid to Egypt), because after all we have soo many generous tax payers, that the government can keep throwing away money at will to a lost cause.

OUr nation is run by morons.



posted on Aug, 16 2013 @ 06:01 PM
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Run by morons? Now that is as true as it gets right now.

How can money be of ANY interest to those in charge within Cairo right now when they may not live out the weekend or next week? Their side puts people in jail and prosecutes them like Mubarak and likely Morsi. The side they're trying to put down right now generally kills people as routine business and their true colors are flying for all to see in a way they've not allowed to happen in Egypt until now.

I'm thinking the Generals are generally telling Washington to hold that thought on money and they'll get back with them in a week or two...when the dying has ended. Indeed... Our leadership really is tone deaf.

...but then Obama's on Vacation. How serious can we expect him to be? It's not like Egypt's at risk of falling into civil war or anything.



posted on Aug, 16 2013 @ 07:11 PM
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Or they will take the money and run to another country to live a better life, you know like when money goes missing and from foreign countries and nobody knows what happen with it.

Billions of dollars will make somebody life a lot easier somewhere away from lost causes and conflict.



posted on Aug, 16 2013 @ 07:15 PM
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something i saw today deals with the issues both surrounding this last takeover and the VIOLENT protests that have been going on since by the "Muslim Brotherhood". as well as the way mainstream media has been portraying the "Muslim Brotherhood as the "wronged party in this time of violent upheaval. one thing to especially note is that the protests leading to the governmental takeover were peaceful, while the "Muslim Brotherhood", that seems to want to turn Egypt into a theocracy of the supposed religion of peace (NOT), is rather violent, full of killings of non Muslims and burning down churches and other NON Muslim religious institutions.


Many of us involved in Christian ministry in Egypt are appalled at the misunderstandings about the situation in Egypt being propagated by even normally balanced international media like the BBC, and the way it has, in general, portrayed the Muslim Brotherhood as the victims of injustice.

Yes, former President Morsi was elected “democratically” in June 2012, but only by the slimmest of majorities, and only 13 million people (out of a total population of 83 million) voted for Morsi at all. And yet he took this as a mandate to do as he wanted, with a winner-takes-all attitude. His new government was not inclusive and he quickly appointed former Muslim Brotherhood leaders (some with previous convictions for violence or incitement to violence) to serve as regional Governors or government Ministers. In November 2012, he illegally gave himself new sweeping powers to act without censure, and rushed through a new pro-Islamic constitution despite the protests and boycotts from liberals, moderate Muslims and Christians, and then he refused to call for new elections - as had previously been agreed to do after a new constitution had been adopted. And, of course, the economy was very poorly managed by the new Ministers, whose only apparent qualification for office was the fact that they were Muslim Brotherhood loyalists. By the end of 2012 the country’s infrastructure had begun to fall apart, electricity and fuel supplies became unreliable, prices for basic commodities soared and Egypt struggled to get much needed international financing.

In the past 6 weeks the Muslim Brotherhood has occupied a number of public spaces, to demonstrate for the reinstatement of the former President (currently being held by the army and facing charges related to abuse of power, including substantial material and intelligence support to Hamas). Unlike the peaceful occupation of Tahrir Square by demonstrators in January 2011, and again at the end of June 2013, these Muslim Brotherhood occupations were dominated by calls for violence against the army, the police, the liberals and, specifically, the Coptic Christians in Egypt – all resulting in the violence witnessed on 14th August, when police stations, hospitals, private and public property were destroyed. Many Christian churches (at least 40 so far), homes and businesses were also attacked, as well as a monastery, three religious societies, three key bookshops belonging to the Bible Society in Egypt, three Christian schools and an orphanage.

The Muslim Brotherhood have been, and remain very effective in portraying themselves as the victims to the media, pointing to how Morsi had been “democratically” elected and that the army “coup” was a major setback to the country’s democratic progress. They have known what buttons to push with the Western press and this seems to be the version that most of the World is hearing - but it is not a version of truth that resonates with the vast majority of Egyptians.

And, while the loss of life these past few days has been most regrettable it has not only been Muslim Brotherhood supporters that have died, and there has been scant reporting on the Muslim Brotherhood’s attempts to destabilise Egypt, its calls for violence against the government and its supporters; and there has been a total lack of reporting concerning weapons that the Brotherhood had in the camps and used against the army as it sought to dismantle the sit-ins.
us2.campaign-archive1.com...



posted on Aug, 16 2013 @ 07:24 PM
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Here's a bold opinion, Brother Rabbit.

Who gives a sh##? Why not leave Egypt to the people who actually live there? We've got dung-heaps of issues at home. Yeah, they are killing everyone there. Death sucks. But why give a sh## there and not elsewhere.

Syria, much?

Wars abound! We're looking at a civil war here at home, eventually. (If the divider and chief gets his way)

Sorry to be the pee in the oatmeal, but that's how I see it.



posted on Aug, 16 2013 @ 07:40 PM
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Well, I have to disagree on this one, my fellow Rabbit.

Just one nation to the West and I was vocal about our need to stay out of things and just leave it alone. That was Libya before it fell. Not our business. Not our war on any level. (In truth, Europe and Britain's action but that's another topic).

Egypt really is a special case and special in a global kinda way. There are only 2 other places with such great importance and really, only one this critical. Indonesia with the Malacca Strait and Panama with the Canal we all know and love. All 3 are waterways of absolute critical importance to global trade. Everyone's trade. Every nation that has much of any import or export has some relation to one or, in most cases, all three passages.

Our interest should be strictly in what brings long term peace and stability to Egypt and by extension, security of the Suez Canal for international stability. That really isn't done by being either Wishy Washy or by half way supporting the group that's been fighting stable Government in Egypt for so long, IMO. They're out. The people seem quite happy to see them out. We ought to be 100% supportive of those now in power.

Even Russia is backing the right side on this...Ugh.. that's getting to be an embarrassing habit. The Russians are more American thinking and we're more Soviet thinking.

Alice should be along for lunch anytime now, too.



posted on Aug, 16 2013 @ 08:14 PM
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If the Canal is so important, then we bargain with whomever is in charge! We have a "carrot" (billions in US aid) that we can dangle to whatever despot is in charge.

Right now, however, we have people in leadership positions that hope someday to rise to the level of "incompetent".
edit on 16-8-2013 by beezzer because: we not me



posted on Aug, 16 2013 @ 08:28 PM
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I think that logic has been very reasonable and applicable in the past. I don't think it can apply any longer, though. Not there and not for this. Egypt is the lynch pin to the entire effort over there. For one side, to solidify a hoped for future. The future? Well....




They are only a few little problems away from having the re-creation of the Umayyad Caliphate. Egypt is being a royal pain in their butts. Syria just won't die like a good little road block and of course...one mother of all mountains left to climb. Iran. The ultimate and last piece to fall, as it's always been for this to work.

The more we can do to interfere ..and in this case, by HELPING old friends we've been allied with for decades, the better off the world is. The Suez Canal is what makes THIS the place of critical importance to make that stand and for taking the side needed here. Not for Action on our part. Simply for some intestinal fortitude and a clear face on the issue. No 'buts....' or 'out of context....' to come later, as all have come to expect from American leaders now.



posted on Aug, 16 2013 @ 09:16 PM
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Eventually, the system is going to run out of rope! When the weight drops, guess who's heads it's going to fall on? Hey, TPTB are set. All they gotta do, is head to the caves; while the people slaughter each other. You remember the "zombie apocalypse"? Here it comes.



posted on Aug, 16 2013 @ 10:52 PM
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After doing extensive research on the "musim brotherhood" that Obama seems to support, I can post links to how they became what they are and what they are not.

They are violent, Islamic fundamentalist trying to exercise power where they have no business doing, they should be persecuted as the invader they are specially in Egypt.

It seems that the so call Muslim brotherhood are nothing but a bunch of opportunistic terrorist taking advantage of a nation in peril.

They have no business in Egypt, Egypt belong to the Egyptian people.



posted on Aug, 16 2013 @ 11:18 PM
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Egypt's first democratically-elected president.
e • d Summary of the 23–24 May and 16–17 June 2012 Egyptian presidential election results Candidates Parties 1st round 2nd round
Votes % Votes %
Mohamed Morsi Freedom and Justice Party 5,764,952 24.78% 13,230,131 51.73%
Ahmed Shafik Independent 5,505,327 23.66% 12,347,380 48.27%
Hamdeen Sabahi Dignity Party 4,820,273 20.72%
Abdel Moneim Aboul Fotouh Independent 4,065,239 17.47%
Amr Moussa Independent 2,588,850 11.13%
Mohammad Salim Al-Awa Independent 235,374 1.01%
Khaled Ali Independent 134,056 0.58%
Abu Al-Izz Al-Hariri Socialist Popular Alliance Party 40,090 0.17%
Hisham Bastawisy National Progressive Unionist Party 29,189 0.13%
Mahmoud Houssam Independent 23,992 0.10%
Mohammad Fawzi Issa Democratic Generation Party 23,889 0.10%
Houssam Khairallah Democratic Peace Party 22,036 0.09%
Abdulla Alashaal Authenticity Party 12,249 0.05%
Total valid votes 23,265,516 98.28% 25,577,511 96.81%
Invalid votes 406,720 1.72% 843,252 3.19%
Turnout 23,672,236 46.42% 26,420,763 51.85%
Abstentions 27,324,510 53.58% 24,538,031 48.15%
Registered voters 50,996,746 50,958,794

Morsi might have won but they should have had a run off of the four or five top contenders..Morsi won but only because of the divided votes...IE Ross Perot style Also I just heard the Egyptian military just declared the brotherhood a terrorist organization...

The run off they did have were between the two top contenders

Mohamed Morsi Freedom and Justice Party 5,764,952 24.78% 13,230,131 51.73%
Ahmed Shafik Independent 5,505,327 23.66% 12,347,380 48.27%

Morsi's party had a great name for a party !! Freedom and justice for those who agree with the party line and everyone else can go do themselves...


Under the Mubarak era, the Egyptian presidential election of 2005 was the first-ever multi-party, multi-candidate contested presidential election in Egypt's history, made under the 2005/2007 constitutional amendments to the 1971 Constitution of Egypt. Despite its significance, the election was marred by voter fraud, ballot stuffing, boycotts, intimidation, vote-buying, and protests by opposition groups, leading for a low-turnout of under 30%. Before the 2005 election, the President of Egypt was nominated by a two-thirds majority of the rubber-stamp People's Assembly and approved under a referendum process that resembles a show election in authoritarian countries


According to en.wikipedia.org...

If only 30% voted and only 51% of the 30% got the man they wanted then IMO that leaves about 85% who might be pissed?? If I read the numbers correctly...Ball Park, quick figure, no calculator, all done in my feeble mind...but close enough for my purposes.



posted on Aug, 16 2013 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer


If the Canal is so important, then we bargain with whomever is in charge! We have a "carrot" (billions in US aid) that we can dangle to whatever despot is in charge.



Isn't that how its been the whole time?






posted on Aug, 16 2013 @ 11:25 PM
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You forget that in countries like Egypt in the middle east elections are still something that can not be trusted, as corruption runs rampant.



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