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posted on Nov, 12 2004 @ 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by Ibn IblisI'm not sure how many times I'm going to have to say this before people will start to listen. The issue is not Muslims as individuals. The issue is what their scriptures say, and their scriptures say that Islam is the only religion on earth that has a right to exist, and Muslims have the right to kill, subdue, or forcibly convert non-believers in order to achieve that goal.
Okay enlighten us please. Other than the Palesitinian/Israeli issue, kindly provide a decade by decade timeline of the Muslim attempt to subdue the world in the last 1500 years. If the decade is too short, then try half century, if that is too short then try century.

Your convincing argument will rest in a timeline which shows the perpetual aggression toward same nations. I say you cannot support your case, and post only to incite hatred toward these people.



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posted on Nov, 12 2004 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by Emily_Cragg
Uhhh, excuse me, but Christianity is "over there" in Islam's FACE.

What else do you expect them to do--lay down and let us walk over them?

They didn't attack us on 911 without our Gummint's total complicity, and we all know that.

That was a staged event, like other staged events intended to provoke the Muslims to outrage, defiance and retribution.

What else would you expect them to do except organize for their own survival?

If we were minding our own business, we wouldn't have this problem.



You know, the disturbing thing about statements like yours is that they take advantage of a region which is predominantly Muslim, and use the religion of the perpetrators as a guide to criminalize the majority. in every religion there is good and bad. In every religion there is the extremist .

Do tell, does Tim McVeigh represent the United States majority, since he, an American blew his fellow American to smithereens. So then, should the Islamic, or Buddhist nations represent America as either heathens or Christians who are willing to kill their own?



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 12:02 AM
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It was said earlier in another thread that there is a difference between Western Islam and Eastern Islam, to which I disagree. There is a difference, however, between some Western Muslims and Muslims from Muslim lands, like Egypt. Those of you who hate or disagree with me based on the fact that either A> you're a peaceful Muslim, B> you know peaceful Muslims, or C> the fact that the majority of Muslims are non-violent is absolute proof that I'm wrong might want to read this. This is what's tought in textbooks in Egypt, and I am sorry to report it does nothing to detract from what I've been saying all along, and, of course, all of this is in line with Islamic scripture. Read on:
    "Studies in Theology: Tradition and Morals, Grade 11, (2001) pp. 291-92 ...This noble [Qur'anic] Surah [Surat Muhammad]... deals with questions of which the most important are as follows: 'Encouraging the faithful to perform jihad in God's cause, to behead the infidels, take them prisoner, break their power, and make their souls humble - all that in a style which contains the highest examples of urging to fight. You see that in His words: "When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take a ransom from them, until war shall lay down its burdens.'"

    "Commentary on the Surahs of Muhammad, Al-Fath, Al-Hujurat and Qaf, Grade 11, (2002) p. 9 …When you meet them in order to fight [them], do not be seized by compassion [towards them] but strike the[ir] necks powerfully.... Striking the neck means fighting, because killing a person is often done by striking off his head. Thus, it has become an expression for killing even if the fighter strikes him elsewhere. This expression contains a harshness and emphasis that are not found in the word "kill", because it describes killing in the ugliest manner, i.e., cutting the neck and making the organ - the head of the body - fly off [the body].' "

    Although chilling to our modern sensibilities, particularly when being taught to children, these are merely classical interpretations of the rules for jihad war, based on over a millennium of Muslim theology and jurisprudence.1 And the context of these teachings is unambiguous, as the translator makes clear:

    "[the] concept of jihad is interpreted in the Egyptian school curriculum almost exclusively as a military endeavor… it is war against God's enemies, i.e., the infidels… it is war against the homeland's enemies and a means to strengthening the Muslim states in the world. In both cases, jihad is encouraged, and those who refrain from participating in it are denounced."

    Teaching Egyptian school children anti-infidel jihad hatred is clearly a long, ongoing , and ignoble tradition even within the modern era. As the scholar E. W. Lane reported after several years of residence in both Cairo and Luxor (initially in 1825-1828, then in 1833-1835),

    "I am credibly informed that children in Egypt are often taught at school, a regular set of curses to denounce upon the persons and property of Christians, Jews, and all other unbelievers in the religion of Mohammad.2

    Lane translated the prayer below from a contemporary 19th century text Arabic text, containing a typical curse on non-Muslims, recited daily by Muslim schoolchildren:

    I seek refuge with God from Satan the accursed. In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful. O God, aid El-Islam, and exalt the word of truth, and the faith, by the preservation of thy servant and the son of thy servant, the Sultan of the two continents (Europe and Asia), and the Khakan (Emperor or monarch) of the two seas [the Mediterranean and Black Seas], the Sultan, son of the Sultan (Mahmood) Khan (the reigning Sultan when this prayer was composed). O God, assist him, and assist his armies, and all the forces of the Muslims: O Lord of the beings of the whole world. O God, destroy the infidels and polytheists, thine enemies, the enemies of the religion. O God, make their children orphans, and defile their abodes, and cause their feet to slip, and give them and their families, and their households and their women and their children and their relations by marriage and their brothers and their friends and their possessions and their race and their wealth and their lands as booty to the Muslims: O Lord of the beings of the whole world.”(Emphasis added.) 3

    The seminal modern scholar of Islamic civilization, S.D. Goitein, warned more than a century later, in 1949, speaking of the Arab world generally, in particular Egypt:

    Islamic fanaticism…is now openly encouraged…writers whose altogether Western style (was mentioned earlier) have been vying with each other for some time in compiling books on the heroes and virtues of Islam…What has now become possible in educated circles may be gathered from the following quotation from an issue of the ‘New East’, an Arab monthly periodical describing itself as the ‘organ of the academic youth of the East’:

    ‘Let us fight fanatically for our religion; let us love a man-because he is a Moslem; let us honor a man- because he is a Moslem; let us prefer him to anyone else-because he is a Moslem; and never let us make friends with unbelievers, because they have nothing but evil for us.
    4

    And a decade later, in 1958, Lebanese Law Professor Antoine Fattal, perhaps the greatest scholar of the legal condition of non-Muslims living under the Shari'a, lamented,

    "No social relationship, no fellowship is possible between Muslims and dhimmis...Even today, the study of the jihad is part of the curriculum of all the Islamic institutes. In the universities of Al-Azhar, Nagaf, and Zaitoune, students are still taught that the holy war is a binding prescriptive decree, pronounced against the Infidels, which will only be revoked with the end of the world..." [Emphasis added]5

    Sadly, almost fifty years after Fattal made his observations, the sacralized hatred of jihad is still being inculcated as part of the formal education of Muslim youth in Egypt, the most populous Arab country, and throughout the Arab Muslim, and larger non-Arab Muslim world. We in the West must press our political and religious leaders to demand that such bellicose, hate-mongering "educational" practices be abolished in Islamic nations, under threat of severe, broad ranging economic sanctions.
1 Bostom, Andrew. Treatment of POWs. FrontPageMagazine.com, March 28, 2003.
www.frontpagemag.com...

Bostom, Andrew. The Sacred Muslim Practice of Beheading. FrontPage Magazine.com, May 13, 2004.
www.frontpagemag.com...

2 Lane, E.W. An Account of the Manners and Customs of the Modern Egyptians, New York, 1973, p. 276.

3 Lane, E.W. Modern Egyptians, p. 575.

4 Goitein, S.D. Commentary, January 1949, “Cross-Currents in Arab National Feeling”, p. 161.

5 Fattal, Antoine. Let Statut Legal de Musulmans en Pays' d'Islam, Beirut, 1958; pp. 369, 372


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posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 12:07 AM
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Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
Okay enlighten us please. Other than the Palesitinian/Israeli issue, kindly provide a decade by decade timeline of the Muslim attempt to subdue the world in the last 1500 years. If the decade is too short, then try half century, if that is too short then try century.

Your convincing argument will rest in a timeline which shows the perpetual aggression toward same nations. I say you cannot support your case, and post only to incite hatred toward these people.



[edit on 11/12/04 by SomewhereinBetween]




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posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by farhyde

Originally posted by KAOSKTRL
After this Pastor Scot referred to a letter to the editor in the Maccabean of September
14, 2001, p.3:
A few years ago, just after arriving in Sydney from Cairo, the then Grand Mufti
of Australia was interviewed by a reporter from the Australian Jewish News.
The Mufti stated that the moment Australia becomes 51% Moslem, it will be a
Moslem country. The reporter asked him about the other 49% and he replied
that they would ‘convert or leave’.


Just coming from the other muslim thread, I will say this... IF this happens, I will join extermination crusade with you guys. My thoughts on the Grand Mufti is this: If this clown really thinks that he can force 49% of a country to convert or leave he needs to pull his head out of Muhammad's Arse. Apparently the Mufti has never watched Chrocodile Dundee.

God Bless Paul Hogan.

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Whoa buddy! calm down. No one would be able to make 49% of a country leave, use ur common sense. It was a Muslim Mufti being quoted in a Jewish paper and was later quoted here by a Christian. Do u think that it got to you exactly how he said it? In TRUE Islam, it wouldnt be 'convert or leave' it'd be more like demostrating to them that Islam is the TRUE religion. That's how Muhammad did it, he never made anyone accept Islam with a sword hanging over their heads, he demonstrated Islam to them.

PS: Chrocodile Dundee sucked balls. I dont even know why that movie is so popular. Also, watch ur mouth please, just because you cant see us doesnt mean u have the right to say whatever you want about anyone.



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 12:47 AM
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It does have a strange pedifree but it part of the court record in the villification of Islam trial in OZ
So you suggest that because you dont think it makes sense it wont be attempted?
Thats not good enough
We cant judge islam by acts of muslim
we cant judge Islam by its founding documents
We cant judge Islam by what history tells happen at the trench]here
We just have to ignore Islam because its popular and has better PR than the Nazis.
No I dont thinks so

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posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by TruthStrgnrThanFiction
ironically the "christians" in the white house are into dominonism(thats not some kinky sex thing!)..which is NOT in the gospels and is UNBIBLICAL...guess what they believe?? similar to the fundementalists muslims = christians will take over the world, USA is Israel now, christians will infultrate ALL areas of modern life and subject the world to the gospels BEFORE jesus comes back...even to "make" him come back.

research it you'd be SUPRISED!



The more conventional christian view is that you have to prostilitize(spread the gospel). You are correct about implying that the christians also want to convert as many as possible before the end. But, you fail to mention that there are no crusades in the name of christianity anymore. Christians don't have an eye for an eye code that allows them to kill in the name of god. Christians are taught to "turn the other cheek" which is pacifism. This is the antithesis of Islamic fundemental radicals that can jihad and kill in the name of Allah. Most of the problems the U.S. sticks it's nose into has to do with the spreading of democracy(political freedom, which can also provide religious freedom) not the spreading of christianity. Either way, I believe lots of attrocities are commited by both Muslims and Christians. These people are all confused and will lose their eternal reward for doing these terrible things in god's name.

doctorduh



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 01:08 AM
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Actually, biblically, the Islamics are right. Don't forget that before the end, there will be a great persecution of Christians, - including beheadings, of which we have become familier with.

The idea that the world will become Christian is not biblical at all, and I doubt that the poster is presenting the situation accuratly, The entire world will HEAR abought Jesus,, but they will still have the free will to accept or reject it.

The great difference between Islam and Christianity in this issue is that Islam is a forced conformity, whereas Christianity should be a free will choice.


Originally posted by TruthStrgnrThanFiction
actually if you understand islams end time view you will see that islam teaches that the WHOLE world will be ISLAMIC before JUDGEMENT DAY. now thats not just one or two "false prophets" or "fundementalits twisting the koran" THAT IS IN THE KORAN PLAN AS DAY!

ironically the "christians" in the white house are into dominonism(thats not some kinky sex thing!)..which is NOT in the gospels and is UNBIBLICAL...guess what they believe?? similar to the fundementalists muslims = christians will take over the world, USA is Israel now, christians will infultrate ALL areas of modern life and subject the world to the gospels BEFORE jesus comes back...even to "make" him come back.

research it you'd be SUPRISED!




posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by KAOSKTRLjunk
Let’s summarize your links for aggression shall we?

571-595 Muhammed’s birth and growth.

600-700 Journeys, pledges, expeditions, a battle here a battle there, conquests that couldn't rival the Jews or Romans, and in the days that every ruler was out to gain more booty. Not one states who started what or why, I might add.

800-900 more booty, and giving the Romans a run for their money for length of military dominance. Not one states who started what or why, I might add.

900-1000 An assassination or two, a death or two, end of a rule, infighting amongst themselves, well crucify them.

1000-1100 More deaths, assassinations and a battle with Spain. Fights with the Christians, but I'm sure the Christians were praying in their churches when it all happened by surprise that their God led their spirits out to conquer and convert.

1100-1200 a bunch of caliph deaths. Woe is them that die.

1200-1300 More deaths of caliphs, Christian wars against them and heavens; the Monguls, those dreaded Mongul muslims start their rampage across Asia.

1300-1400- Goodness the Mongul muslims are massacring in the name of Allah, still.

1400-1500 Heck, now we have the Ottoman Muslims on the rampage this century.

1500-1600 Well now the Christian Muslims want in on the act again and don’t like muslim muslims and demand they reform.

1600-1700 The dastardly Muslims fight between themselves for territory, will it be Persia or not to Persia?

1700-1800 What a huge world! Now the Russian muslims want a piece of the muslim muslim empire. Austrian muslims say no way, and Indian muslims thought they would bring muslm curry mutton to the muslim muslims.

1800-1900 what a mess this one is! Muslims defeating muslims, Indian muslims and Afghani muslims, and Egyptian muslims and Persian muslims and Russian muslims and British muslims and French muslims and Greek muslims and German muslims all trying to be subjugated by muslim muslims.

1900-2000 no history posted

Do you actually understand what you have proffered? And here I always understood the Roman Empire was the longest stretch of rule ever, well now I know better, why with all those various muslim nations attacking and ruling for 1500 years.

Please don some armour.



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 02:15 AM
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stuck on Spin Cycle ?



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 02:27 AM
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Originally posted by KAOSKTRL
stuck on Spin Cycle ?


I see he's has come to the realization and has reverted to joke defense and denial.



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 07:45 AM
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```

(lets try again here)

i feel, the most likely possibility would be for
all these lofty ideologies/religions/philosophies...
(Hibz, Islam, Christian....)

to eventually become enmeshed/incorporated/merge
with the real 'power' of this world ->
(aka: Dragon-Beast = 7 deadly 'sins')

~~~
each day the picture changes,
like today, our Pres. Bush might be likened to a historical Charlemagne,
(i await the 'sign' in the sky, to complete this re-enactment scenario)
but first...He must complete the founding father rejuvenation meme,
by 're-making' the 21st century America, socially, economically, politically,
in the spirit of the benevolent/Christian/ordained Leader...):-D



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 09:08 AM
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One more like that and your going on Ignore.
Study islam it cant be corrupted it is corruption



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 09:25 AM
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There is no way to combine a bunch of perspectives, myths and points-of-view, and come out with a truth that can be applied to everyone.

The fact that men want to standardize IDEAS merely means, those men follow after the methodology of Satanism, and they repudiate personal free will and personal freedom.

By God, men and women must only be judged on their behavior, and the results, effects and outcomes their behavior creates.

Thought controls, politically correct opinions, idea-dominating-over-idea--those are all trappings of medieval thinking.

The Grand Inquisitor, the Nazis the MKULtra are all on the same page; and they're all sick, sick, sick.

If America and the West are going to continue to provoke, humiliate, plunder the enrage Islam, as a human provokes a rattle snake, then what else would you expect but that Islam would buy loose nukes and throw them at us?

I mean--duh--it's so obvious. Our leadership WANTS Jihad, WANTS bloodshed, WANTS war-profiteering, WANTS to dominate over a way of life that will not accept domination.

We who are NON-PREDATORY, who are ALSO dominated by US PREDATORY LEADERSHIP are powerless in the face of this. All our ideals about fair-dealing have been squelched. Our Constitution that is built on "fair play for all" is in shambles since the 911-attack-parody by foreign agents friendly to and connected to CIA covert mischief. We KNOW the Arabs weren't responsible. We KNOW a 757 never hit the Pentagon. We know WTC was demolished from underneath [we have photos of the smoke rising up from the basement even as the "planes" hit the upper floors]. We know Waco was an event to scare people away from Christian Charity and Community. We know Ruby Ridge was that also. We know OKC1995 didn't happen due to a bunch of cowpoop in a Ryder Truck. We know the lies go back to JFK and the group that met to do him in.

Oh, yes. That group. Let's go back to the beginning of terrorism in the US.

inquirer.gn.apc.org... This is background info fairly well known.

But from 2002-2004 I keep meeting a guy on NYTIMES Abuzz who seemed to have some real inside scoop on the whole situations of terrorism that we have been dealing with all these years. And here is a transcript of the messages he and I passed back and forth, and his take on it.

All these years, the U.S. Government has been covering up, deceiving and lying about the death of this President. It was an inside job.

As "Big_Poppy," alias "poppy_bush," explained to me, quote--

Big Poppa u.1551965/home/> Quick stats Added on thu, Jan 22, 2004 12:45 AM EST

He he, ya know it's funny. I was just tellin' Barb how much we used to love to light up the ol'DefCon alerts back in '68. Sure, we'd tell the Soviets what we were doin' and they thought it was pretty damn funny too.

Hoo hoo, I'd have ol' dick take us right down to DefCon 1, then call Paris an' tell 'em that the Reds have busted through the Fulda Gap an' they should get ready to surrender.

Oh man, he and Agnew used to laugh till we cried watching those damn frogs surrender to nobody! Ah well. . .the cold war. . . it's all over now. No more time for fun and games. We gots to give 'em the Bling bling and the What Not and gimme some of that Euro-Power that runnin' round these days. Yes ma'am, we gotta dance the night away in gay Paris!

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tHEY cALL mE tHE gRASSY kNOLL u.1551965/home/> Added on Fri, Jan 23, 2004 11:31 PM EST 2004

Aw hell, the French are some damn fine people. We'd just have a few laughs on them, is all.

I love the French. Hell, I love Europe. That's why we're gonna be doin' the big Euro-Bling Bling A Ding Ding.

Comin' soon to a police station near you!

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Big Poppa u.1551965/home/> Quick stats Added on Fri, Jan 23, 2004 12:09 PM EST 2004

Well ya see, I didn't actually pull the trigger on ol' Jack. No ma'am Wouldn't have been prudent at that juncture. But that's not to say his little encounter was a random thing.

Thing is darlin', changes have to be made; corrections to the course of democracy. Yeah, I know...some democracy, right? But it sounds good doesn't it, dear? And if it SOUNDS good, then the sheep will believe it, won't they? Oh yes they will.

Jack was screwed from the get go. His old man just wanted too much and didn't know when to shut up and color. Pity though...Jack was a nice enough fella; he just didn't work out. It happens from time to time. You hire someone to work around the house and they just don't work out. They're too lazy or they get caught stealing silverware, whatever. You just gotta let'em go.

It wasn't all Jack's fault that we lost the casino trade in Havana. It wasn't Hoover's fault either. He had a deal with Giancanna that would have made everybody happy in Havana, Reno, and Vegas. But this Castro dick head had to poop in the punch, didn't he?

Ah well, here I go reminiscing again. Barb says I gotta quit spending so much time on the damn computer. I just like rehashing the old days when we were just beginning to build the old' Bling Bling. But that slow train's coming down the pike. Yes it is, dearest.

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Big Poppa u.1551965/home/> Quick stats Added on Fri, Jan 23, 2004 2:20 PM EST 2004

Here's a question for ya, dear.

Why was Zapruder there in the first place?

Was he just a casual observer with a camera? Whaddaya think?

You and I both know that there aren't many accidents when it comes to history, are there?

But thinnk about my question. I'll get back to ya.

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Big Poppa u.1551965/home/> Quick stats Added on Fri, Jan 23, 2004 4:50 PM EST 2004

Well, what can I say? I know it's a bad thing to do sometimese. But you have to break some eggs if you're gonna make an omlete. Right, Emily?

And that's all we're doin'. Havin' us a little Euro-Power Bling Bling Omlete. And Big Poppa sure does love his eggs! Barb says I oughta cut down what with all that cholesterol and such, but I just can't get enough of those tasty little buggers really. You know, I'm not a big fan of veggies. Not me. Can't touch that brocolli; give me the gas something fierce. Besides I have a sensitive tummy.

I remember once when I was in Japan rubbin' elbows with all the other Big Shot Bling Bling. Havin' a good ol' time up there on the stage, eatin' a fabulous meal of...well hell, I don't know what them damn nips eat but it wasn't eggs, I can tell you that! But anyhoo, I'm up there feelin' pretty darm feisty drinking saki and what not and all of a sudden...BWAAARRP! Barfed all over myself. Think I got the Prime Minister too. Man alive, was THAT embarrassing!

Never did care for that darn chink chow after that. No sir, give me a huge porterhouse and a baked potatoe (that's a Dan Quayle potato!) and a big pot of Texas beans and I'm set!

But this whole mess will sort itself out before too long, Emily. there isn't gonna be revolution or tought police or none of thatclap trap. I wouldn't worry about gettin' you one of them shotguns either. Besides, after Sonny checks in for his second term, we're taking everybody's weapons away from them. It's for their own good, don't ya see? Why would you even NEED a gun when we're gonna have that spiffy National Police Force on duty?

Yup, that's comin' right after my boy takes the oath. You see, the Homeland Security thing is basically a framework for a bigger badder police force than the FBI. Gotta have more police is what I always say. More police, more peace. Peace in our time, Emily. Can you dig it? Won't have to worry about drugs in the schools. The NPF Will be there. Won't have to worry about rigged election. The NPF will be there. Won't have to worry about those loudmouth movie stars who don't know any better than to shut up. The NPF will be there. I'll be there too!

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Big Poppa u.1551965/home/> Quick stats Added on Sat, Jan 24, 2004 5:30 PM EST 2004

"You're reading too literally, dear. I don't own the world so much as "we" own it. The "we" part is a little tricky to discern, but suffice it to say, the pie has already been cut up for those who are going to get a piece of it.

Most of the groundwork has been laid. Everything's falling right into place. Really now, it's just a matter of a few more elections, a few more operations, and few more "leadership changes." But we gotta be careful, Emily. Don't want anymore Bay of Pigs now, do we? I'm thinking once this whole Euro business gels, it'll be time to start Geo-Unification.

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Big Poppa u.1551965/home/> Quick stats Added on Sat, Jan 24, 2004 7:01 PM EST 2004

But Emily, you don't seem to understand. We've already won. We won without the American people even knowing that there was "a war" going on. You wanna know what our secret weapon was? Why, it was complacency. The lambs just rolled over and gave up and they they didn't even know it because they too busy watching "Survivor" or "The Bachelor" or what have you. America surfed the internet while we just slipped in and changed the locks.

I'd be pretty pissed if I were you.

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Big Poppa u.1551965/home/> Quick stats Added on Sun, Jan 25, 2004 9:56 AM EST 2004

Nice theory, but it doesn't jive with the Big Picture. Emily, if you only knew what I know...and believe me, you don't know. Things have been revealed to...us. Shouldn't go too far with this but we have a certain knowledge of things. We know what's going on in the sub-solar system. We're not blind to it. And we collect the data too. In fact, we MADE some of that data happen.

Now about communism. My dad knew that communism was more of a tool than a threat. Think about this for a minute. After WWII, what were the two things your average American Joe was worried about? The Bomb and communism. For many, the two were one in the same. How does one control a large population? Fear and manipulation, plain and simple. You understand that, don't you Emily? Joe McCarthy had a mission and that was to exploit the fear of communism. He was no accident; his rants were well thought out and executed. Speaking of executed, how about those Rosenbergs? Did their guilt or innocence even matter? Hell no! They served a unique (and pre-ordained_ service to the early days of global building. Eisenhower and Nixon played their roles with a depth that would have won them Oscars. Emily, do you agree with me when I say that our history from immediately following WWII to present day was scripted? WWII was pretty well scripted too, but that's another thread and I'll that to you if you're so inclined.

Well Emily, if you'll excuse me, the Democratic candidates are making the news show rounds this morning. It's time for my morning chuckle.

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Big Poppa u.1551965/home/> Quick stats Added on Sun, Jan 25, 2004 10:00 AM EST 2004

Emily, do you really think that the Bling Bling is gonna die when I do? Do you think that we hven't made plans for succession? Dear, I'm just a chess piece. There are many others who are young, powerful and hungry. They have been loyal and smart. They will be the next generation of leaders and they will groom their successors too.

Now, Sonny isn't one of them but he's okay with that. He's never had that much ambition beyond the next bottle of scotch but he's filling a nitch for the time being. Watch for Jebbie in the near future. A brilliant man and very, very clever beyond outward appearances. He's currently the leader of what we call "Team Florida." We've bred quite a crop of new global players down there and they're just waiting and watching. They'll come from the ranks of the State Senate and other places. Mostly people you've likely never heard of before, but you will soon. No Emily, once I die things will just keep right on clicking. You'll see.

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Big Poppa u.1551965/home/> Quick stats Added on Sun, Jan 25, 2004 12:30 PM EST 2004

Emily, let me explain a little about what our Big Buzz is all about.

Back in 1946, there was a meeting in Kiev that was not reported to the press (who knew better back then). Attending were, Joe Stalin, Douglas MacArthur, J. Edgar Hoover, and Dean Acheson among others. The agenda for that meeting was nothing less than the partitioning of the continents.

Emily, the Buzz from that gathering was palpable. One was made dizzy by the sheer magnitude of what was at stake.

In June of 1963, there was a meeting in a private residence in Virginia that was hosted by Hoover, Cyrus Vance, Everett Dirksen, John McCone and Carmine Galante. The agenda for that day was to firm up plans for an operation that was known casually as, "The Dealy Hit." My head swam as I sat there silently contemplating the import of our work. History being made, being written at that very moment. I remember not being able to sleep that night. The adrenaline was pumping through me and made me feel invincible. And I was.

This is the essence of the Big Bling Bling, Emily. God could have stopped us years ago. but He didn't because He's got better things to do, better civilizations to manage. We're on our own now. And MY time is here.

Do you understand that, Emily.

MY time is here

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NOW: If our nation doesn't stop mucking around with other nations, it won't matter what their religion is; they're going to come back and WOMP us.



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 09:35 AM
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Once again, since you avoided the question when asked earlier:

What had we done to deserve 9-11? Were we occupying Muslim lands then? Were we attacking them? Please don't say Saudi Arabia, as we are in Saudi Arabia with the permission of their government.

What did we do before 1993, when they bombed the WTC?

What was their motivation then, under Clinton's "peaceful" administration?

Don't you know we fought a war to "save" Muslims from "ethnic cleansing" in Bosnia? They STILL attacked us!

You're very confused.



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 09:43 AM
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Religions are used to control the minds of the masses. Those that don't have any spirituality seek it outside themselves.

Christianity and Islam are both wrong. They were created as opposing forces to keep humanity in perpetual war. And it worked. Judaism too says they are the chosen ones. Hmm, 3 major religions each saying they are the true religion. On the streets of New York they call that a shell game.

I say we have a new world order with one religion and one government and then we wouldn't have this problem. 'Problem -> Reaction -> Solution' used with copious portions of 'Divide and Conquer' should keep those pesky bottom feeders busy.

But with so many followers of religion (despite the logic functions we all were born with) it looks like we're gearing up for a new holy war. And I got front row seats.

Oh and don't worry, Islam/Christianity/Judaism will not take over the world because I will never be able to believe in any of them. I guess they could take over when I die, oh well, nevermind.

I swear though, if you guys make a damn holy war I'm going to slap you when we get to the other side. I'm trying to take a vacation down here.



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 09:45 AM
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Wars are being *SCRIPTED*..... That's what the man in the transcript is telling us. Read the transcript and figure out who it is.

HE is still in the driver's seat; has been since the 1970s. Nothing has changed.



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 09:47 AM
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OK I was wrong about you. You're delusional.



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 09:55 AM
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The man in the transcript wants to WIN. His "side" is working toward this.

This is an abbreviated transcript. I have the whole file elsewhere.

The fact that your response is a comment about MY PERSON means, you yourself are invested in this contest. And you are also breaking ATS rules, which prohibit personal insults.

One way Contest contestants play is to make fun of the people who have discovered the reality of the contest.

Your naming me as "delusional" merely means, either you are ignorant or you are a Gummint agent. That's their way of doing business in a Forum: ridicule, shame and humiliate.

But I didn't back down when it was bruced, fonghut and massagattos at the NYTIMES; and I'm not going to BOW NOW to Ibin Ibis. Same stuff, different day, different forum. Fortunately, this Forum doesn't take kindly to personal vilification. Once again, I have merely brought "quotes" from the New Times Forum Abuzz, where I authored 3000 threads from 2001-2004.



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 10:04 AM
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Wow just gone.

I had heard about but I thought it was a myth
A person who knows nothing about everything




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