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Poll: Less than 3 percent of federal workers want to join Obamacare

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posted on Aug, 14 2013 @ 11:00 PM
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Obama said everybody could keep your current insurance (didn't he?)

Now it seems we really may not be able to...including Federal Employees !!

The Federal Employees are fuming at the apparent bait & switch.


Less than 3 percent of U.S. federal workers want to give up their current health plans and join Obamacare, according to a new poll.

92.3 percent of federal workers think that they should continue with their current health insurance program, the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), while just 2.8 percent think they should be required to join Obamacare exchanges and 4.9 percent are not sure, according to an August survey conducted by FedSmith.com, a website for federal employees.

“There is apparently little debate among the federal workforce. Federal employees do not want to be part of the new system… Employees who are already retired have a much stronger negative reaction to being moved to a new system,”



Well I think these people need to be consoled.

Poor things.

But at least they still get some payments made for them.

The mess will be because all the States have different deals, unless they are all grandfathered in and can choose the plans in Watchington D.C.

It sounds like the only thing the exchanges will offer is 'Exchange of Your Choice for Ours'

Maybe now some will find out the real meaning of 'Red Tape'
Especially the ones who will be 'put on hold' by their fellow workers



Poll: Less than 3 percent of federal workers want to join Obamacare




posted on Aug, 14 2013 @ 11:13 PM
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What ?

Federal employees don't like that super duper wonderful 'affordable' Care Act that lacks any 'Care' what so ever ?

Bait and switch is right, Obama care was a bait as Reid already said something we all knew that it is going to be an epic failure, as it was designed that way from the get go so they could provide 'universal care'.

30 million new people added to the insurance rolls who couldn't afford insurance in the first place, that was covered on mommy and daddies insurance until 26, and is now subsidizing planned parenthood.

The 'CARE' ACT eh?

They don't care about you or how much you are paying just as long as you vote for them to keep providing solutions to problems they create in the first place.

Geezus.



posted on Aug, 14 2013 @ 11:18 PM
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The real question is, how did this happen in the first place?

We have to pass it to see what's in it? Are you kidding me? I'm sure someone will be kind enough to link the video for me.

Of course now that it's passed even federal workers are weary of it. They are just like you and me, working for a living. Getting ahead in life, working your way up. Putting in long hours, making extra car/house payments. Just because you work for the fed doesn't mean your an evil snake.

Just because they happen to be a janitor for the white house doesn't mean they aren't just like you, getting screwed.



posted on Aug, 14 2013 @ 11:35 PM
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"The staggering stupidity of the people in charge of this country is mind blowing."

That's a tweet I found from the Roman Empire.


Sorry, don't have a link.



“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” —Life of Reason, Reason in Common Sense, Scribner's, 1905, p. 284







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posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 12:18 AM
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Yea, you do realize that polls always have the results the surveyor wants right? Just saying, it's laughable when people quote poll results since they are anything but bias.

Though, for this one, 3% does sound about right



posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 10:51 AM
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Hmmm... Unless the Federal Goverment is not already insuring these workers...why would they need to give up thier current Government paid healthcare coverage to join an exchange?

They already are recieving "Socialist Healthcare"...actually Federal Employees are the only ones in the USA that literally have thier healthcare covered via US Taxpayer Dollars.

Maybe you can explain that to me?



posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 10:54 AM
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I'll help you out...Obamacare only applies to Senators and Congressmen and thier aids etc. AND the GOP demanded that they go on Obamacare as a stunt....then Chickened out and demanded they keep the TAXPAYER PAID SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE they already have.

The rest is just GOP Partisan belching.

www.theglobaldispatch.com...
edit on 15-8-2013 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 10:57 AM
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The real question is, how did this happen in the first place?


www.dailymail.co.uk... -spying-scandals.html


President Obama's signature legislative achievement, they write, 'not only is unconstitutional but also illegally bypasses Congress, infringes on states’ rights, and marks an unprecedented and unauthorized expansion of Internal Revenue Service (IRS) power, constituting a clear case of 'taxation without representation' – one of the primary reasons for the American Revolution.'





posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 11:10 AM
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I see your confusion here.

You seem to be labouring under the misconception that Obamacare is, and of itself, a Healthcare plan.

It is not.

It is a set of rules that Healthcare providers and insurance companies must follow.

Anybody should be able to keep their existing Employer based Healthcare or choose to buy another. Either way it will be under the law known as Obamacare.

Hope this clears a few things up for you.



posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 11:13 AM
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I'll help you out with some links...

Which Federal Employees?


535 members of the Senate and House of Representatives and thousands of Capitol Hill staff.


Why would they even be forced to go on Obamacare, since they already have the lushest, most comprehensive...TAXPAYER FUNDED SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE in the country??



An amendment required that lawmakers and their staff members purchase health insurance through the online exchanges that the law created when the bill passed back in 2010.

They would lose generous coverage under the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program.

Republican Senator Charles Grassley, argued that if Obamacare plans were good enough for the American public, they were good enough for Congress. Democrats, eager to pass the reforms, went along with it.


Then what happened..


Now the attitude has changed and there are fears that staff would suddenly face sharply higher healthcare costs


So then Obama issued a waiver ...at the GOPs request....to Off-Set the GOPs own Amednment that demanded Capital Hill go on Obamacare ...despite them already having coverage.


Congress has won some partial relief for lawmakers and their staffs from the “Obamacare” health reforms that it passed and subjected itself to three years ago.


And what does the GOP do after getting thier way TWICE...Once demanding that Capitol Hill go on Obamacare...then Changing it's minid and demanding they didn't?

They of course used it as an opportunity to BS...


Some Republicans immediately slammed the OPM decision, using it as fuel for their campaign to turn public opinion against Obamacare just as its core provisions are due to go into effect.

“While the administration has handed out waiver after waiver and exemption after exemption for the well-connected in Washington, they have done nothing to lower health care costs for families


Just classic....

And all the while no one pointing out that they are fighting to keep an incredibly generous healthcare coverage...hmm...how should I say it?...let's try right wing lexicon.....The GOP have Successfully demanded to keep for themselves THE ONLY SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE IN THE USA PAID FOR BY FORCIBLY CONFISCATED MONEY FROM US CITIZENS.

And then blamed the fiasco on the POTUS.

www.theglobaldispatch.com...



posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 11:22 AM
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I thought the 'waiver' was about the money, not the insurance policies.

There is something in the law, but they omitted the money part, as in who pays.

The recent 'ruling' was to keep the government (employer) continuing to make 'contributions' towards employee insurance payments.


The Obamacare law (pdf) says in Section 1312:

(D) MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN THE EXCHANGE.—
(i) REQUIREMENT.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are—
(I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or
(II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act).



posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by BritofTexas
reply to post by xuenchen
 


I see your confusion here.

You seem to be labouring under the misconception that Obamacare is, and of itself, a Healthcare plan.

It is not.

It is a set of rules that Healthcare providers and insurance companies must follow.

Anybody should be able to keep their existing Employer based Healthcare or choose to buy another. Either way it will be under the law known as Obamacare.

Hope this clears a few things up for you.



Employers can make changes to plans, and some have already started changing plans.

Different insurance companies and different rates etc. etc.

Some are even eliminating coverage altogether.

And a lot of big insurance companies are pulling out of the State exchange systems.

And thanks for clearing up the confusion about ObamaCare being an insurance company



posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 11:56 AM
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Strange. I 'm a fed. I didn't get any Obamacare survey. I'm of FEHB, as always. Like every other employer provided insurance, I pay part of my premium and my employer pays part. If we went to Obamacare exchanges, that would continue to be the case.



posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by Indigo5
 


I thought the 'waiver' was about the money, not the insurance policies.

There is something in the law, but they omitted the money part, as in who pays.

The recent 'ruling' was to keep the government (employer) continuing to make 'contributions' towards employee insurance payments.


The Obamacare law (pdf) says in Section 1312:

(D) MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN THE EXCHANGE.—
(i) REQUIREMENT.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are—
(I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or
(II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act).


It is. The waiver allows for the employer contribution part of the premiums to continue in the Obamacare exchanges.



posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5
They already are recieving "Socialist Healthcare"...actually Federal Employees are the only ones in the USA that literally have their healthcare covered via US Taxpayer Dollars.

Maybe you can explain that to me?


Not exactly. I suppose you could say the employer contribution comes from taxpayer dollars, but I certainly pay my portion of the premiums as well. Also, I'm a taxpayer, so I guess you could say I pay myself to work...



posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 12:14 PM
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Good info.

Maybe you can help explain who among the federal employees will actually lose FEHB ?

And are there any changes to coverage etc. for those who will keep FEHB ?

The PPACA language is not as clear as we would like.

Thanks.



posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 12:17 PM
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Soon no one will be able to keep their own plan!
Remember even Reid fessed up to the fact that Obamacare
is just an interim step, the real goal is a single payer system.

Sen. Harry Reid: Obamacare 'Absolutely' A Step Toward A Single-Payer System

This is what Con men do, they con the people!

Remember, Nancy said "we have to pass the bill to find out whats in it"

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posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by usernameconspiracy
Strange. I 'm a fed. I didn't get any Obamacare survey. I'm of FEHB, as always. Like every other employer provided insurance, I pay part of my premium and my employer pays part. If we went to Obamacare exchanges, that would continue to be the case.


It was a website survey..."Click here if you think Brittany Spears is hot"...Not to be confused with actual surveys.



posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 12:43 PM
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It's not healthcare.

It's a tax.

If it were an affordable healthcare plan, then they wouldn't need to FORCE people to get it.

It's a tax.
It's a tax.
It's a tax.



posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 12:59 PM
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It was a website survey..."Click here if you think Brittany Spears is hot"...Not to be confused with actual surveys.



missed the results from that one.

Maybe the actual survey indicates how afraid and/or uninformed many federal employees might be.

They are just as confused as everybody else.




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