I am a patriot and I love the United States of America

Originally posted by sonnny1
and make it into a freaking Broadway musical production, then I will ignore him.

Im just pointing out FACTS you got wrong. Along with FACTS a few other got wrong.


I guess its easier to dismiss me that counter me (which you cant) or be a big man and admit you were wrong on some things


And I dont know what you mean by a "in the box" myopic view" please clarify.

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You have your facts and opinions mixed into one...........



Its a common mistake many make to get their point across.......

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by crazyewok

 

We get floods of immigrants

So does the Us hell we have 30-50 million 'undocumented' immigrants who think America is just the greatest thing since microwavable mac n cheese.

And millions more on their way.

Soooooo.

Way to miss the point Neo like you always do

My point was the USA is not the only place that get floods of immagrants.

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by crazyewok

 

You have your facts and opinions mixed into one...........

Its a common mistake many make to get their point across.......

Erm list of facts:


USA is not the only Free country

USA is not the only country with a high standard of liveing

USA is not the only place with million of immigrants wanting to get in

USA is not the only place in the world worth living in

USA if it is special is not the only country that is Special IE see other developed countrys in the free world

The west (IE USA and my country) are causeing a mess in the middle east.

Fact the Argument that if you dont like the USA go live in North Korea is flawed agrument as there are plenty of other places you can live in that are good.


So please tell me what things have I said that are not fact?

USA is not the only Free country

I am not disputing this but... Some might say the US is not a free Country. So... Your Opinion. Not Fact.

USA is not the only country with a high standard of liveing

Nobody is disputing this

USA is not the only place with million of immigrants wanting to get in

Illegal or legal? Big difference there......

USA is not the only place in the world worth living in

Your Opinion. Not Fact.

USA if it is special is not the only country that is Special IE see other developed countrys in the free world

Your Opinion. Not Fact.

The west (IE USA and my country) are causeing a mess in the middle east.

A Fact that doesnt hold "Others" responsible for the mess.

Fact the Argument that if you dont like the USA go live in North Korea is flawed agrument as there are plenty of other places you can live in that are good.

No, you stated that there were pros and cons to these places. Please give me the pros to living in NK, Somalia, Congo, Sierra Leone..... If you cant, then the point stands. The US is better then those places.


Like I said. You have mixed your version of "Facts" with your "opinions".

Originally posted by crazyewok

The west (IE USA and my country) are causeing a mess in the middle east.

The mess in the middle east has been constant since nearly the dawn of written history - and at least since roughly 500 BCE.

Just sayin'.

reply to post by crazyewok

My point was the USA is not the only place that get floods of immagrants.

No one ever said is was 'the only' place.

The west (IE USA and my country) are causeing a mess in the middle east.

Get real the ME was screwed up long before the west ever got involved there so please stop the demagoguery there because as most people KNOW.

The problems in the ME stem from Sunni and Shia 'can't get along' syndrome that has been repeating itself for centuries.

Originally posted by Hefficide

Originally posted by crazyewok

The west (IE USA and my country) are causeing a mess in the middle east.

The mess in the middle east has been constant since nearly the dawn of written history - and at least since roughly 500 BCE.

Just sayin'.

Ain't that truth chalk that up to demagoguery.

Originally posted by semperfortis

Great words

Ah yes, thee great Reagan, I hear where you are coming from, being a civilian and never protecting the USA, or understanding how the scheme of this magic thing called USA, works I do not think gives the liberty to really argue with you on how you feel.. I am frustrated as hell too Garth, I come on ats and most days and let everyone know as well.. The country I lived in just over 10 years ago was so much better, then what we are in now where we have liberal indoctrination occurring the soon to be normalized taxation without representation, and a failed idea called socialism grabbing a hold of our politics.. It is reminiscent of Germany in the 30's...

Anyhow Not gonna give you atta boy, I understand you thou...

Originally posted by sonnny1

No, you stated that there were pros and cons to these places. Please give me the pros to living in NK, Somalia, Congo, Sierra Leone..... If you cant, then the point stands. The US is better then those places.

I NEVER SAID THAT. Which this is like the SECOUND TIME I HAVE REPEATED THIS.

I said there was pro and cons to living in countrys like UK,USA,France,Germany,Canada,New Zealand,Bahama,Australia,Austria, Normay, Denmark, Holland,Finland and sweadon.

I did not say there was that pro and cons with living in the enire world like North Korea.

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Ok I should say "more messed up".

Unlike some on here I will put my hands up and say thats a wrong statement.


I should have said the west meddling has just made things worse.

Originally posted by sonnny1


USA is not the only place in the world worth living in

Your Opinion. Not Fact.

Million liveing in [Insert devleoped fee country here ] Will disagree so no it is a fact there are other countrys worth living in. Doesnt mean the USA isnt just means there are other countrys that can be just as nice depending on the person.

Originally posted by sonnny1
USA if it is special is not the only country that is Special IE see other developed countrys in the free world

Your Opinion. Not Fact.

See above.


And as for immigration I can speak for say Canada or Denmark ect as Im not up to date on other country immagration problems but the UK its being swamped by legal and Illegal. Hell I had a NY cab driver say the UK was his first choice but went to the USA as he got visa there first. No doubt the storys true for other free developed cointry as well as the UK and USA.

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I asked if there was any. You went silent when I asked.


If you can use the excuse that there are Countries out there that are on the same level, why cant I use the Countries that are not to make my point?


If you cant respond to it, then I will assume the US is better then those Countries. Hell, I would think many in those Countries just might agree with me too!



Regardless, this is just going in circles. I think we can surmise that your opinion is just that..opinion. Right or wrong. As with mine. Just dont state facts when they are clearly opinion. Just like I agree with you that the US is a free Country. MANY will say its not, and have their rebuttals to back it up.

My opinion?

I love my Country, and I respect those who have sacrificed for it. I respect those who wear the uniform, and have the balls to defend it.

Its a great opinion, and I think many agree with it.


Have a great day crazyewok...Thanks for the discussion.

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by crazyewok

 

I asked if there was any. You went silent when I asked.

If you can use the excuse that there are Countries out there that are on the same level, why cant I use the Countries that are not to make my point?


If you cant respond to it, then I will assume the US is better then those Countries. Hell, I would think many in those Countries just might agree with me too!

I think we have our wires crossed.

I have never denied those countrys are worse than the US. Why I didnt really respond as its goes without saying there is nothing to argue. Those countrys are hell holes. Infact I have never said the USA is a bad place to live. It varys from state to state but I would say its a pretty good place depending on the person, ok not really my cup of tea (Nor is the UK were I live ) but can see the appeal for others. My Argument was just its not the only good place.

I hope I have cleared that up as I think something may have gotton lost over the net.

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Epic post.
Sometimes that's all it is, one large circle of opinions, hits an misses.
Seriously, don't hide behind opinions disguised as facts, just say you don't like the US, its your opinion, simple as that.
I can make a thread about how I like cake....US cake and I'll get response on what makes my US cake better then their cake and how my US cake was the cause for the trouble in the ME and how bush an cheney loved my US cake to the point of trying to kill somebody out hunting and that my US cake was free because Obama wanted my US cake to be free like healthcare, my US cake is GMO and killing bee's, the ingredients to the cream of my US cake were from an ancient civilizations recipe made with ingredients from alien worlds dropped off by aliens because this US cake is out of this world........
So much extreme hate filled responses, but again, OPINIONS, we are all entitled to them.....right?

reply to post by Arnie123


Dunno were your getting the hate from.

Im not a fan of the us gov or its actions as it stands now. And if you notice im hardly singing the praises of the uk either.

But i dont hate its people.

I can disagree without hate.

I am a patriot and I love the United States of America



Don't like it?

TOUGH !


Enough said Boys and girls...... Good Night, God Bless.

Like the op I love my country because all one has to see is all the 'hate' surrounding America is nothing but demagoguery.

Where books,newspapers,radio, and television has failed the internet, and it's propaganda can shape the worlds mind in a matter of seconds.

The most dangerous weapon of mass destruction ever created some buy in to that propaganda willfully, wantingly because it plays in to personal bias.

People hear what they want to hear.

People see what they want to see.

And I am here to tell you 'seeing is believing' doesn't mean what it use to mean.

Haters are going to hate then have no quams running to the ole evil America for haip when the shtf if we were so bloody evil they wouldn't.

So...........

reply to post by crazyewok


Don't worry bruh, its not aimed at you, its general.
You've been pretty civil about it, I use to think you were king an country about it, but I see your not.
But a lot of some of these response are hateful, damn near at least.
A man comes out an praises his country and served to boot and instead of he gets all these people coming down on him, out in society that doesn't happen. I know, because when I'm in uniform out and around, my coffee gets paid for, my food gets paid for, the head of the line gets opened up for me and trust me, I resist and deny it, but in the end the patrons win....the civilians who insist and would have it not other way and that's the kicker. I see but more then a few responses bordering hate and I know its all BS, because society as a whole acts different openly, vastly different then cyber space, people read and article then follow all the hypocrisy associated with it and join the band wagon thinking its as such when in reality its not. That's why I love to them people to chill and get some fresh air because the rest of society doesn't think like them, I know people like that and trust me, their very anti-social, well the majority are and maybe a few out spoken individuals, but not a whole lot.
The US is not some evil empire. The US military is not a massive demon army ready to spill the blood of the innocent, more then half who read an article and believe it otherwise don't really know what's going on, much like the crowd who says we are fighting cave dwellers an sheep herders, for a bunch of common folk they earned the nickname grave yard of empires for a reason.

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You're not going to hog all of that by yourself?

Friends share!

Pulls out a dirty shot glass *Dont ask why I carry my own*