The matrix and the indian rope trick.

I just read an interesting Take on the "Indian rope trick" The guy who witnessed it was about 10 at the time in Mumbai in India. He was told no photographs allowed, but took his camera anyway and took surapticious shots during the performance if you can call it that. The magician has a young boy as an assistant a rope a sword, and a wicker basket, there are many people surrounding the magician. He shows the audience the empty basket and places it on the ground, he places the rope in the basket, then shakes a hand held tambourine. The rope rises about twenty feet straight up into the air, the boy climbs halfway up when the magician tells him to come down. The boy refuses and continues up to the top and disappears, the magician gets his sword and follows the boy up and he to disappears...It now gets freaky screams are heard and the boys decapitated body start to hit the ground. Then the magician comes back down with a bloody sword, and the rope collapses back into the basket, he collects the boys body parts and puts them into the same basket, utters a few words and the boy jumps up in a whole state. The audience are shocked and awed.
After a few days that it took to develop the shots, the 10 year old boy takes the photos to his father, and there is no standing rope..no body parts...but what happened.? It sounds a bit more than mass hypnosis. The magic circle have a standing payment for anyone that can show them how the trick is done. Its considered one of the greatest tricks in magic.
The traditional one seems to be the boy climbing up the rope and disappearing at the top, and the magician going up to punish the boy. Do we have an incidence that could be understood to be real magic. Where reality has been reshaped by someone with a very rare talent.
A lot of money has been spent, especially in the Old soviet Union, the research and its conclusions have been so way out, they seem to have been put in the to hard basket. But one titbit was a "Wolf Messing" Portrayed in the book "PSI discoveries in the Soviet Union" as the psychic that Stalin tested. Who seemed to have the rare gift of changing peoples perception of what was reality. He escaped from Poland during the War, and Stalin wanted to test his ability, one of the tests was to pull off a bank hoist of a hundred thousand roubles. He just tore a page out of a school scrapbook and went into the Bank with a suitcase, he handed it over to the cashier who filled the case up with money and he just walked out. Hitler had put a sum of 200,000 marks on his head. He was no simple stage performer. When he returned the money to the cashier with the blank piece of paper the cashier fell to the floor with a heart attack. Next Stalin challenged him to meet him in his Private Dachau but he had to evade the tight security, the grounds were filled with KGB and guards, he walked right through and went up to Stalin who was working at his desk. When asked how he'd done it he said he'd mentaly told everyone he was Baria the Chief of the KGB. So this is a fairly well documented man who could do some strange things.

My understanding is that everyone watching was supposedly hypnotized...

“You see, the pictures only show the fakir and the boy standing on stage. No rope in the air, no sword, no blood. Just the two of them, standing there. We had all been hypnotized.”

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Yet the evidence of the trick ever being performed was almost certainly fabricated. In his book, The Rise of the Indian Rope Trick: How a Spectacular Hoax Became History, Dr Peter Lamont, himself a magician, reveals that stories of the trick started receiving international attention only after 1890 when a report appeared in the Chicago Tribune by a reporter who claimed to have seen the trick performed.

The story was entirely invented and, several months later, the newspaper printed a retraction. But by then it was too late: the trick had gained a life of its own. "There are lots of very old stories from all over the world [about such a trick]," said Dr Lamont, a lecturer at the University of Edinburgh, "but we say that the modern legend came to be because of the article in the Chicago Tribune." www.independent.co.uk...

An early account of the rope trick appeared in the Chicago Tribune in 1890 under the byline Fred S. Ellmore. The story gained worldwide notoriety, and numerous similar accounts appeared over the years. But no one could ever come up with a convincing eyewitness account, photographs, etc. Nor was there a satisfactory response to the reward offered by a British magicians' association for an actual performance.

Then a few years ago University of Edinburgh researcher Peter Lamont took a closer look at that 1890 Tribune article. Four months later, he found, the editors had confessed in print that the whole thing was a hoax to sell more newspapers--Fred S. Ellmore, get it? This may not be the last word on the subject--when last heard from, Lamont was traveling to India to see what more he could learn--but right now it's looking like India doesn't have the market cornered on fakers. www.straightdope.com...

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Yes I heard that it had been a publicity stunt to sell more papers but, strange how it was being done in India and reported back as well. But there is a report of the trick being set up with a cavity under the basket, and a pole being inserted into the rope like a condom. Another report where in india there is a lizard with two spines that lock together to make it stiff, and the fakirs use the spine to stiffen the rope.
I edited my original post with a report of Wolf messing who just seemed to be able to telapathicly suggest a new reality to at least a few people. Which if accepted at face value, would open up a new dimension on the subject. If hypnosis is the key to some of the people doing this trick, then they must have all been induced in a very original way.

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sorry will have to watch it.

The magician has a young boy as an assistant a rope a sword, and a wicker basket, there are many people surrounding the magician. He shows the audience the empty basket and places it on the ground, he places the rope in the basket, then shakes a hand held tambourine. The rope rises about twenty feet straight up into the air, the boy climbs halfway up when the magician tells him to come down. 


The boy refuses and continues up to the top and disappears, the magician gets his sword and follows the boy up and he to disappears...It now gets freaky screams are heard and the boys decapitated body start to hit the ground. Then the magician comes back down with a bloody sword, and the rope collapses back into the basket, he collects the boys body parts and puts them into the same basket, utters a few words and the boy jumps up in a whole state. 


The audience are shocked and awed. 
After a few days that it took to develop the shots, the 10 year old boy takes the photos to his father, and there is no standing rope..no body parts...but what happened.? 

"The magician and the boy are the same person and it's a battle of the mind, and the young one wants to go up, in a dream. The magician lost the battle, it was feirce and bloody, but, The boys mind stayed in the dream. It was all a dream"

"Another analogy I got was that the boys mind was purposely fed to a god by the magician......"

It sounds a bit more than mass hypnosis. The magic circle have a standing payment for anyone that can show them how the trick is done. Its considered one of the greatest tricks in magic.

"But no one could see it.....becuse it was nothing more than a mass hypnosis, It's called religion, and the magician is a pope or priest."

What is the standing payment?

Originally posted by Wifibrains

The magician has a young boy as an assistant a rope a sword, and a wicker basket, there are many people surrounding the magician. He shows the audience the empty basket and places it on the ground, he places the rope in the basket, then shakes a hand held tambourine. The rope rises about twenty feet straight up into the air, the boy climbs halfway up when the magician tells him to come down. 


The boy refuses and continues up to the top and disappears, the magician gets his sword and follows the boy up and he to disappears...It now gets freaky screams are heard and the boys decapitated body start to hit the ground. Then the magician comes back down with a bloody sword, and the rope collapses back into the basket, he collects the boys body parts and puts them into the same basket, utters a few words and the boy jumps up in a whole state. 


The audience are shocked and awed. 
After a few days that it took to develop the shots, the 10 year old boy takes the photos to his father, and there is no standing rope..no body parts...but what happened.? 

"The magician and the boy are the same person and it's a battle of the mind, and the young one wants to go up, in a dream. The magician lost the battle, it was feirce and bloody, but, The boys mind stayed in the dream. It was all a dream"

"Another analogy I got was that the boys mind was purposely fed to a god by the magician......"

It sounds a bit more than mass hypnosis. The magic circle have a standing payment for anyone that can show them how the trick is done. Its considered one of the greatest tricks in magic.

"But no one could see it.....becuse it was nothing more than a mass hypnosis, It's called religion, and the magician is a pope or priest."

What is the standing payment?

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It was 25 thousand quid. I don't know if it still standing .www.openthemagazine.com...

Try it, lol.