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New low for the Tea Party

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posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by Kali74
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If you know of a way to make $1.25 worth today what it was in 1964 by all means let's hear it. In the meantime $1.25 in 1964 = more than $26.00 now. Hourly wages haven't kept up, not even close. So you think it's fair that people were paid 1.25 an hour to work at McDonalds in 1964... would it have been fair to have paid them $.36/hour?


Is McDonalds the only employer in this country?

ARE THEY?

Crap jobs are meant for teenagers not full grown adults with families they are not meant to be 'career jobs'.

Hourly wages have kept up my first job was $3.25 what is the minimum today?

BTW things were cheaper in '64 but who cares right ?

As already said I don't agree in paying people what they think they are worth they get paid for the work they do, and what the market dictates not what some political ideologist think they should be paid so they can have MORE fiat currency and corporate products.

Round and Round we go over the same damn thing.

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posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by neo96
 


If you know of a way to make $1.25 worth today what it was in 1964 by all means let's hear it. In the meantime $1.25 in 1964 = more than $26.00 now. Hourly wages haven't kept up, not even close. So you think it's fair that people were paid 1.25 an hour to work at McDonalds in 1964, it actually was... would it have been fair to have paid them $.36/hour?
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The thing is, there should be ZERO expectation that every American works 40hours per week, has 2 cars, 3-1/2 children, a nice house and disposable income. You’re entitled to a CHANCE at the American Dream. We’re now scoffing at the ‘American Dream’ and crying about wages that we haven’t earned just because others have what we want.

A society of losers is what we’re seeing…..certainly not all….but a growing minority. The rest of us make it happen.

Put on your big girl panties and make your family proud! Stop whining! Kleenex isn’t free either!




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posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by neo96

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by neo96
 


If you know of a way to make $1.25 worth today what it was in 1964 by all means let's hear it. In the meantime $1.25 in 1964 = more than $26.00 now. Hourly wages haven't kept up, not even close. So you think it's fair that people were paid 1.25 an hour to work at McDonalds in 1964... would it have been fair to have paid them $.36/hour?


Is McDonalds the only employer in this country?

ARE THEY?

Crap jobs are meant for teenagers not full grown adults with families they are not meant to be 'career jobs'.

Hourly wages have kept up my first job was $3.25 what is the minimum today?

BTW things were cheaper in '64 but who cares right ?

As already said I don't agree in paying people what they think they are worth they get paid for the work they do, and what the market dictates not what some political ideologist think they should be paid so they can have MORE fiat currency and corporate products.

Round and Round we go over the same damn thing.

edit on 12-8-2013 by neo96 because: (no reason given)


McDonalds is one of the top employers in the country right now, most of the good jobs have been exported. McDonalds used to be a way to put yourself through college, now you can barely wipe your ass with their wages. College graduates make up a good portion of Wal Mart and McDonalds employees and no I'm not talking about just the ones that majored in Liberal Arts or Tap Dancing.


Watch that minimum wage debate carefully, college students: It's your first job people are fighting over.

While Congress and the president squabble over giving workers an extra 2 bucks an hour, The Wall Street Journal reports that 284,000 Americans with college degrees worked minimum wage jobs last year. That's down from a 2010 high of 327,000, but it does mean that 70% more college grads are earning minimum wage than a decade ago.

With art-school students and MBAs alike crushed by debt and even Ph.D. students seeking food stamps in increasing numbers, it's understandable that folks would write off college education as an expensive waste in the current economy. Yet a college degree is just about the only way young Americans benefit from the sluggish economic recovery.


msn money

SO back to my original question, would it have been fair to pay McDonalds employees 36 cents an hour back in 1964?



posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 09:31 PM
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Well Jeez, now I'm just mad I didn't qualify for disability. Wanna see a picture of my intestine?

This is like 3 threads all rolled into one as it is, four if I add my own definition of a libertarian.

1.
The origin will, most likely, never be identified, and most T.P.M. I know understand we live in a republic. The phrase "saving our democracy" just seems to "not completely" jive with the OP's sources claims.

2.
Funny as it would be, even if every persons name on that list was "gettin' over", as it were, if the information is real, the person responsible should be prosecuted... period.

3.
I think we need to have a serious discussion on the rampant fraud and abuse. It seems so wide-spread from everything I've heard , and personally witnessed, that the numbers would easily be in the many billions anually.


I say throw the book at the criminals abusing the system, throw them all in jail.
Oh wait... that would cost even more! Damn!

Guess I don't have the solution...

and I'm not kidding about the picture.



posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 09:38 PM
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McDonalds is one of the top employers in the country right now,


No it's not biggest reason is that McDonalds is ran by franchise operators that is also known as small business, but who the hell cares.

Let's vilify those corporations again ! ! !

www.aboutmcdonalds.com...

franchises.businessmart.com...

Which means that bloody evil corporate gets paid first, employees get paid first, all the materials to run that business gets paid first then what is left over is the business owners:

Operating expenses less fix costs= what some people call profit.





SO back to my original question, would it have been fair to pay McDonalds employees 36 cents an hour back in 1964


Depends on what the cost of living was in 64.



posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by muse7


No, sorry. Uneducated people don't get to decide if I have Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder from getting hit by a drunk driver. If they really want to take it out on someone, they are more than welcome to take it out on the drunk that hit me and caused the problem. I'm also dealing with a bunch of physical problems and a sleep disorder which may or may not be related to that accident or possible untreated food poisoning I may have had as well.

Civilian arrest for anyone trying to practice medicine (diagnosis) without a license. Practicing Medicine without a License is a Class 4 Felony in Illinois. You do not have the right to have a Medical Opinion about anything if you do not have a Medical License. It's also called Misprison of a Felony if you witness a Felony and don't report it. You can go to jail for not reporting it.

By the way, that message is also called Inciting if it causes any crime.

I notice that the person that wrote it doesn't have the balls to give their real/full name. We need to start a list of Tea Party members and their addresses and post them on street corners and telephone polls.
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posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 09:54 PM
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No it's not biggest reason is that McDonalds is ran by franchise operators that is also known as small business, but who the hell cares.


That point is one that really pisses me off…..the fact that people don’t realize many companies they frequent are small businesses.

I own a small business (that’s my second job) that isn’t very profitable. It’s really a labor of love/hate at this point! Thankfully I can pay my bills and employees and occasionally I get a pay check.

My primary job is GM of a franchise (which will remain undisclosed) of a well-recognized global brand. I can’t tell you the number of customers who have tried to bend us over the desk over dumb claims. They truly have the “gimme gimme” mentality and expect to be paid for BS. I deal with ALL of the claims and I’ve heard everything…..

They all fail to realize that we are a small biz with 4 stores, locally owned, part of a national franchise (that we pay a FORTUNE to carry the name and product of), with REAL bills and REAL employees (@45 total), and we can’t afford to PAY THEM for BS just to keep them happy. This is the same WASTEFUL BULLSPIT that goes on at the federal level. People REALLY believe there is an endless supply of money and that the COUNTRY can AFFORD to pay them for doing nothing. I see it all and I’ve heard it all….it’s sick! The mentality of many in this country is FAR REMOVED from the mentality of those who founded this country with blood, sweat and tears. Something for nothing is the new norm....this is the "center" that we're all supposed to subscribe to.


Reality escapes many.....far too many!


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posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 09:57 PM
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No, sorry. Uneducated people don't get to decide if I have Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder from getting hit by a drunk driver. If they really want to take it out on someone, they are more than welcome to take it out on the drunk that hit me and caused the problem.


PTSD from a wreck!!

Ya, you deserve disability.


Problem identified!



posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by CryHavoc
We need to start a list of Tea Party members and their addresses and post them on street corners and telephone polls.


Really?


If you want information like that, look no further then the IRS. Im sure they can give you that information........

Then you can advance this administrations agenda of demonizing the Tea Party also.


Sheesh.



posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 10:00 PM
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Trauma is trauma. Not all traumas end in PTSD, but PTSD is not limited to combat experiences.



posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by seabag

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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(notice I didn’t say trickle-down economics)


You mean "supply-side" economics?

I believe in Supply Side. I don’t believe corporations should skirt taxes all together the way many have been allowed to do but I do believe that lowering rates is good for business. Trickle down is tax breaks for large corporation and the wealthiest among us.

To quote Obama (damn, am I really doing this!!!
) – “Everyone needs to pay their fair share!” Trickle-down is a supercharged version of Supply Side that is ripe for abuse.

At least that’s my take…..I'm no economist. I like accountability much more than crony capitalism.


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Trickle-down isn't cronie Capitalism.

I think you are close to being on the right tract. Google the Forbes article "Regeanomics VS Obamanomics", let me know what you think. Ferrara is a brilliant economist.



posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 10:08 PM
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Trauma is trauma. Not all traumas end in PTSD, but PTSD is not limited to combat experiences.


I guess it’s just hard to relate; all of us have been in a wreck; all of us have lost loved ones; all of us have suffered hardships; all of us probably suffer from post tramatic stress to some degree.

But to call that a DISABILITY and suck funds…NO! Get a job! There are low stress jobs, desk jobs, labor jobs, easy jobs, hard jobs, etc. Are you trying to say some poor sap who got in a car accident is what Jefferson was talking about when he outlined the criteria (that YOU posted earlier)??


I think NOT. Suck it up, Nancy!

Just my $.02


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posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 10:10 PM
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posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 10:15 PM
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I think the nadir point was reached with startling scientific revelation that 'woman's bodies naturally reject conception through rape'.



posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
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Trauma is trauma. Not all traumas end in PTSD, but PTSD is not limited to combat experiences.


Thank you. Which is why uneducated people don't get to determine the extent of a problem.

Again, if he doesn't like it, he's more than welcome to take it out on the drunk that caused the problem.
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posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 10:21 PM
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I think its bullsticks that people would use a car wreck as an excuse (ptsd) to collect a disability check thats just lazy speak.

And they say the meek shall inherit the world. Ha no wonder why big gov is winning.



posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 10:21 PM
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As I stated, not all trauma causes PTSD.

Do the soldiers returning from Iraq with PTSD have a valid claim? Or is your collective view that these guys are just the wussies who couldn't cut it? After all other combat veterans return home totally fine. There are genetic and biological factors involved - not just shared experience. Some information that you might find educational.

Just as being sad is not the same thing as being Bipolar - PTSD is different from just having lived through some bad stuff.

ETA: With that I bow out, rather than further derailing into this tangent. As for those who disbelieve that PTSD is legitimate? I earnestly suggest that you take a bit of time to thank God for the ability to have that perspective at some point. Those of us who do suffer from it would all much rather be in your shoes.
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posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 10:26 PM
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Thank you. Which is why uneducated people don't get to determine the extent of a problem.

I take it you think anyone who doesn’t buy BS is uneducated?





Again, if he doesn't like it, he's more than welcome to take it out on the drunk that caused the problem.
We have laws for that….I’m sure he’s suffering financially more than you.

HEY, at least you can both work tomorrow!



posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by thesaneone
I think its bullsticks that people would use a car wreck as an excuse (ptsd) to collect a disability check thats just lazy speak.


Oh, I'm not collecting disability. But you're not going to tell me nothing is wrong when my doctor is telling me something is wrong. And it's up to him to determine the extent and treatment for the problem. Not you. And it's obvious you didn't read the rest of what I wrote.

I love how this vocal minority thinks they can speak for everyone. That sure isn't Democracy. And stop pretending it is.



posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 10:28 PM
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