The Image of the Cross is wrong, it was X shaped and just above the height of a man.

reply to post by Shiloh7


It is in a shape of a cross because it is representative of the constellation of the Crux. The sun at the end of the equinox reaches the shortest day whilst resting over the Crux. It stays there for three days before and does not appear to move any further. Then the days start getting longer again. Hence the Son of God dies on the cross, is buried and three days later he rises from the dead.

reply to post by GeneralMishka


That's wrong. I don't care what scripture says or what you people think, that's just wrong. There's a very thin line between justice and brutality, and this crosses it. If a man is unfit for society, then cast him out. There is no need to humiliate and torture him. That's not justice, that is malice.

reply to post by Shiloh7


ok... listen carefully

i will clear this up

they are talking BS....this is where the cross came from

if you look at the ANKH, a major symbol for 3000+ years

the loop at the top, represented a womb = female sky
the straight bit at the bottom represented a phallice = male earth
which is seperated by the horizon

the ANKH became a symbol of maitrachy

the female part on top... the loop.... was replaced by another straight bit

making the cross a symbol of paitrachy

reply to post by Shiloh7


When it comes to the actual cross it may have been a T, but it's well known it may not have been. Many people think it may have just been a pole or an X or whatever. Also, perhaps they had more than one shape. Jesus wasn't the first person to be crucified by a long shot. The shape doesn't really matter.

If you go back in history the T shape cross symbol was around long before Jesus and so was the Ankh in different cultures. So, when Jesus was crucified the symbology was already present and he kinda just took it over and that's just what people were gonna use regardless of what the actual shape was.

That's the nature of symbology. As long as it gets whatever idea is associated with it across it's good to go.

reply to post by Shiloh7


OP, You are 100% correct in this. I am so pleased someone understands. Christ was indeed crucified on a X. This is multi layered, but it is all expressed the same. When is a X not a X ?, when it is a cross ( as in a test, tick or cross (X) a box, X equals a big Roman ).
Secondly the X is made up of two V's. One is a Cheveron ( Male ), the other V is feminine ( chalice, cup ). The feminine is on top of the cheveron. This equals you are beneath a woman ( Another Roman and a insult. The Romans dispise women and this is still reflected in the Roman Church to this day).

Three were crucified that day, this gives you XXX. XXX is the symbol of pornography. To degrade the feminine. To degrade the Harlot. Again a insult.

Three crucified gives you the Roman Trinity. In the Pathegorean System, X is 6. Thus 3 crucified on a X gives you XXX or 666. So a simple X is not a simple X, See how it manifest's ?


When Shiloh cometh, thankyou OP.

reply to post by hounddoghowlie

most shows on tv are not exactly the most truthful.

If the "History" Channel airs something you can count on it having a stealth agenda behind it.

It is a MSM propaganda outlet owned by the Hearst Corporation and the Disney–ABC Group.

William Randolph Hearst once said:

"Lie to the people. They prefer it."

If the mainstream media is airing something publicly, it IS agenda driven. PERIOD.

Mass media is the most powerful tool used by the ruling class to manipulate the masses. It shapes and molds opinions and attitudes and defines what is normal and acceptable.

Mind Control Theories and Techniques used by Mass Media

reply to post by thePharaoh


well played pharoah... indeed, much of the symbology of christianity is coopted from ancient egypt. mary & baby jesus being nearly identical iconography to Isis & baby Horus, for a further example.

as well, the Religions of Abraham are indeed Patriarchal: the serpent is a feminine symbol, respected in most other cultures. but the Children of Abraham have named it Evil. not to mention pinning the so called crimes of humanity on a woman (poor Eve). heck... the fact that their One & Only God is a HE. a He?!?!? WTF?!?!

it is a propaganda war, plain & simple. they were afraid of the feminine power to give life... so they named childbirth her punishment. it's vulgar. i do not understand how any woman can accept this.

i am not a woman, btw. nor a feminist, for that matter. i believe both genders to be equal in their their gifts & purposes (and flaws).

but so long as we as a species condemn one whole gender as not being Divine... we will never figure this out.

reply to post by crazyewok


I gave you a star for stating something that should be understood, on the other hand the cross or even icons are no idolatry the same can't be said for instance for processions and especially some regional idolatry of particular statues normally variations of Mary or Jesus, Most followers of Christianity see these things as symbols not as having power as idols in any case the line is very thin, for instance some Orthodox Christians do believe is the power of special icons.

In any case religion is a mess when people start to believe in material things or putting to much importance in any human creations...

reply to post by Shiloh7


No link?

Is this just an opinion that you have? If not where is the proof of what you say? Please elaborate!

Originally posted by 13th Zodiac
reply to post by Shiloh7

 

OP, You are 100% correct in this. I am so pleased someone understands. Christ was indeed crucified on a X. This is multi layered, but it is all expressed the same. When is a X not a X ?, when it is a cross ( as in a test, tick or cross (X) a box, X equals a big Roman

).
Secondly the X is made up of two V's. One is a Cheveron ( Male ), the other V is feminine ( chalice, cup ). The feminine is on top of the cheveron. This equals you are beneath a woman ( Another Roman

and a insult. The Romans dispise women and this is still reflected in the Roman Church to this day).

Three were crucified that day, this gives you XXX. XXX is the symbol of pornography. To degrade the feminine. To degrade the Harlot. Again a insult.

Three crucified gives you the Roman Trinity. In the Pathegorean System, X is 6. Thus 3 crucified on a X gives you XXX or 666. So a simple X is not a simple X, See how it manifest's ?


When Shiloh cometh, thankyou OP.

edit on 10-8-2013 by 13th Zodiac because: (no reason given)

Ps, forgot to mention Davinci's Vertruvian Man. The Truth behind the lie.Get it ?

Originally posted by mythos

they were afraid of the feminine power to give life...

and now your begining to understand the true story of Akhenaten, 18th dynasty and the true story behind the throne of egypt throught the course of AE

reply to post by hounddoghowlie


Nothing to do with Christian bashing more to do with fact.

The expert from the Museum was an Israeli archaelogist who knows his country and told us that this is the only evidence of a crucified body that exists so far .

The crucifixation took place where they have no tall trees and what we have is a traditional idea, he showed fact. Crucifixation was supposed to shame a person by their nakedness and to spreadeagle them was far less 'modest' than the T cross shape. It also depends upon where a person was crucified as to the local wood they used to make crosses with.

reply to post by Hefficide


I have always wondered simply about how you raised up and got a cross to stand straight with the weight of a man upon it unless you dug a deep hole. Hence the need for very long pieces of very strong wood and a block and tackle.

Why I think the shape of the cross as a simple X is important is that the Church has made a fortune every century in selling religious nicnaks and the cross has been a huge earner for them. We have bits of it on display here and there, a whole plethora of different shapes for different saints etc and I think that we are in an Age where the truth is slowly struggling to get out and be seen by all. Regardless of how much faith one has, I wonder how many people like being made idiots of; surely real faith is entitled to real sacred symbols.

reply to post by Diisenchanted


I did say it was on the tv programme Museum Secrets shown Friday night. The museum shown on this programme was in Jerusalem in Israel.

reply to post by GeneralMishka


One thing that is consistent throughout the bible is its inconsistencies.

reply to post by thePharaoh


Thanks for that I knew the Egyptian influence of Isis and Mary etc there are so many parallels that seem to link back to some original story that echoed all over the world. I also thought the Ankh was a symbol of eternal life but I can see the female and male symbols it consists of.

reply to post by purplemer


That's the first time I have heard this, its fascinating. I admit I have never heard of the crux constellation before but will when I get time look it up. Thank you

Originally posted by jiggerj

ahem, His death as reconcilation for the sins of His people is th emost important part

reply to post by GeneralMishka

 

This is quite a common misconception. The crucifixion of Jesus did nothing. No ritualistic killing could magically force a god into doing something that he didn't want to do. If the biblical god wanted to forgive sins, he would simply have done it. If anything, the death of Jesus was nothing but a symbolic gesture, though what that gesture meant is flawed. The murder of someone does not suggest the forgiving of sins. It does not prove a god's love for us, especially since the proof of god's love would have been for Jesus to live on earth forever as a guide and inspiration to us all.

God forgave many before the Son manifested. Jesus had to die so that He might overcome death. God had not died before. The Son died in the name of the Father, because the Father could not die; but the Son, which is Jesus Christ, in whom is God, and also He IS God, could die in the flesh. That was the point.

But technically, Jesus never died. The flesh died for a few days, but the Spirit of God cannot die. But the flesh of Jesus Christ had committed no sin. Death could not hold onto Jesus in the flesh because death legally had no authority over that flesh. That sacrifice satisfied the law, and then returned because that flesh WAS the law. For whatever has obeyed the law has the authority of the law. Further, the Son IS the law. So therefore, the Law lived inside the flesh which became the law. So therefore, the Spirit of God and the flesh were perfectly married.

Jesus Christ had to die in order to defeat death. You cannot defeat death in life, but you have to go on death's turf and overcome death, and possess the key, so that you may have authority over it. God has authority over death, but mankind would never have been given authority over death if Jesus Christ had not earned the keys to death and hell for us.

Now the law says that the wages of sin is death. And because all have sin, with the exception of Jesus Christ, in whom there is no sin, all deserve to die, and therefore, will die; except for now we are reconciled to life through Jesus Christ. He has not only fulfilled the law, but now He has full authority over all aspects of the law, and has implemented a sub-clause of grace, attached to every law that exists to which we are held accountable. Because a perfect man died, a new creation was born. Such a thing had never happened before. The world completely changed. The laws themselves were not changed, but because of the new sub-clause of grace, the laws would now be interpreted and be manifested differently than we had ever perceived.

Now we are about 2000 years later than the beginning of what is commonly called the New Testament. But this now is an old testament to us. The Old Testament was the structure of the promise before Jesus Christ died. The New Testament is the structure of the promise before now. But now even the law of grace has been manipulated and corrupted by the works of the devil and the evil deeds of men. Much the same way the constitution of the United States and its original laws have been manipulated and interpreted wrongly to allow precedents which should not have ever existed, so has the law of grace been manipulated.

But Jesus Christ foresaw this, and revealed this to the apostles, that the antichrist was already in the world at their time. And the antichrist has manifested greatly in this world now. And the antichrist is whoever denies the God the Father and the Son Jesus Christ. The antichrist manipulates the law of grace and makes it to seem that because there is grace, and there is life, then therefore, all that live have salvation. You know this is true, because, for example, if one who worshiped a an idol their entire life and also denied Jesus Christ, but seemed gentle to all people, if that one were to die, all of his friends, even self-proclaimed Christians will say, "God knows he was a gentle soul. Surely he is in Heaven," -and I say "self-proclaimed Christians", because they are not Christians that call God a liar. Gentleness is not the only piece of evidence of salvation; especially considering the Devil himself is quite charming, or else people would not be so easily deceived. And for those that don't believe in God or devil, you still have been fooled and charmed by somebody that has done you wrong. You can't deny that gentleness is a trait used as a tool. That is the work of the antichrist: To appear as a Christian, but to twist all good things so that the paths lead to hell.

The devil used the Old Testament against Jesus during His desert temptations. Now the devil uses the New Testament against us during our desert temptations.

So we must be as wise as Jesus Christ if we are to battle the devil and his confusion. Because we have to understand the law of grace well enough to be able to confront the devil when he uses the law of grace against us to try to twist us into making a poor decision. Though when reading about Jesus, His answers appear to be easy and clear as day. But it's much easier to understand what has already been performed than it is to understand what you must eventually, or even now, perform.

Now also, everyone needs to keep in mind, that the gentiles were grafted into the tree of the children of Israel when they were still only called "Jews", and beforehand called Israelites. But the amount of time that has passed since the grafting of the gentiles into the Tree is equivalent to the amount of time that passed from Abraham until Jesus.

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That should make an impact an anyone that understands the Bible at all. Abraham was the promisee and Jesus was the promiser. Now Abraham was the father of the circumcision, and Jacob, Abraham's grandson, became Israel, and was the beginning of Israel, whose people would eventually take on the name "Jews", and would inherit the promise from Abraham, to whom the promise was given and the sign of it was the circumcision. Now the wait for the fulfillment of that promise was about 2000 years, to the time when the Messiah was born and then died, and then overcame to life, and therefore gave freely the promise to the uncircumcised in the flesh, but the circumcised in the spirit, by the power of the Holy Spirit. And since the manifestation of Jesus Christ, it has been about 2000 years. So therefore, you can see there has been enough time for the spirit of antichrist to manifest into a monster. And so it has.

Concerning the cross, the "image of the cross" means absolutely nothing. It is just an image. Who are you to call wrong a silly image that one may innocently find in their spirit as a reminder to what they should keep in mind? For the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. But if the eyes or the ears are reminded by means of a symbol to think again on that which is good, then the symbol is good, not bad. Now if one begins to worship that image, or to attribute life to the image, then that becomes an idol. There is no "fine line", as one put it. For if one has attributed any power at all to the image, then they have already crossed the line. Now there are those that fear that symbol, because, ironically, they attribute power to that symbol by means of their fear of the symbol, or their fear of the shape of the symbol, or their fear of the depth of the symbol, or their fear even of its representation; that to fear something is to attribute to it some kind of power (though they claim to not believe in what the symbol is claimed to represent, therefore the irony). You know this is true, because "under God" is removed from the "Pledge of Allegiance"; if there were no God to fear, then why the worry? Or see how Bibles are burned worldwide. If a silly book means nothing, then why the need to burn it? Or how people fear a cross on a necklace, or even a crucifix, for that matter -- if that cross represents Christianity, and Christianity is silly and wrong, then why the need to fear the symbol? How can you be afraid of that which does not exist?

Now God does not fear. But God is jealous of humanity, for He loves the world, and has saved His children. So when anyone attributes power where there is no power, God feels the same as you might feel if you were to be in charge of a grand project, like the writing of a song, or a book, or the building of a skyscraper; and then when all the work is said and done, not only do you not get paid what you had hoped, but also all the credit was given to others out of vainglory, jealousy, weakness, perversion, favors, or whatever other reason. Now God is more forgiving than we are. That would tear us apart, and if we had power, we might react. Now this tears God apart, but He does not always react, for He has offered grace to His children.

Now there are those that are preordained from the foundation of the world to death and hell. If you cannot handle that God is the Creator and has every right to make whatever decision He chooses, then you are on the side of the devil. God is love, and knows what is best for everyone, much more than any of us with our extremely feeble minds and misjudgments. You cannot enter life without faith. If you don't have it, then it isn't given to you.

Now the government of the Jews was strict. So when the Christians were teaching, they would be stoned and mutilated for their witness. Now, still to this day, there are Christians everywhere that are imprisoned, beaten, murdered, and tortured, every single day - to this very day. But this is not yet that time of trouble. You see, the government of the antichrist is very great, but its government is different in its strictness.

Jesus had to die so that He might overcome death. God had not died before. The Son died in the name of the Father, because the Father could not die; but the Son, which is Jesus Christ, in whom is God, and also He IS God, could die in the flesh. That was the point.

reply to post by TarzanBeta


What does this have to do with the reason why Jesus allowed himself to be crucified? What is the logical point of his death? Again, his death was not some magic ritual that would overpower god and force Him into forgiving sins. All god had to do was, well, nothing. All he had to do was start forgiving sins.

But technically, Jesus never died. The flesh died for a few days, but the Spirit of God cannot die. But the flesh of Jesus Christ had committed no sin. Death could not hold onto Jesus in the flesh because death legally had no authority over that flesh. That sacrifice satisfied the law, and then returned because that flesh WAS the law. For whatever has obeyed the law has the authority of the law. Further, the Son IS the law. So therefore, the Law lived inside the flesh which became the law. So therefore, the Spirit of God and the flesh were perfectly married.

Honestly, if you said this to a psychiatrist he would label you as a Disorganized Schizophrenic.

Jesus Christ had to die in order to defeat death.

Good for him, but this is meaningless.

Now the law says that the wages of sin is death. And because all have sin, with the exception of Jesus Christ, in whom there is no sin, all deserve to die, and therefore, will die; except for now we are reconciled to life through Jesus Christ. He has not only fulfilled the law,

Fulfilled whose law? God's law? How does the death of Jesus force god to accept us? What power does death have over god?

Now the devil uses the New Testament against us during our desert temptations.

How does that work if Jesus died for our sins? Kinda makes the devil work futile doesn't it?