The Zionist Goals (1897 - ?)

This thread is inspired by this thread:

Communist Goals (1963)

The above thread is currently placed in the 'US Political Madness' forum - and rightly so.
The Zionist Goals are, however, posted in The Grey Area - this is because I will be sourcing The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, currently classified as hoax. Over in the Communist Goals thread, I see you have all had fun cross-referencing the outlined communist goals in order to perceive their correlation with today's society.

Surprisingly, or not so surprisingly, it has been determined that those Communist Goals have indeed come into fruition. So as a little 'fun' and/or experiment - I feel as though we should cross reference the Protocols of Zion with today's society and see what we might find...

I'd also like to present a controversial, (or 'not so' depending on your point of view), hypothesis;

That if we find that all these 'goals' have come into fruition, when in writing since 1897 - This production was not actually a hoax, but just a marvelous piece of fortune telling..
(or a blatant plan ).

DISCLAIMER: I personally believe a bunch of 'evildoers' hijacked the term 'Jew' (a term only coined in the last 300 years, I might add!), in order to hide their true identity. I personally believe this to be true based on evidence and research, therefore I also sympathise with people who share this view point - and hope that this discussion will not lead to arguments about 'race, creed, or tribe', this is exactly the reason they choose this form of camouflage, as it is so difficult for us to have a civilized discussion and investigation on the matter...

ETA: According to the ADL - the above is apparently not an appropriate way to think. The same ADL that report back to the British Monarchy.

I have chose this source due to the clear translation and easy formatting:
www.iamthewitness.com...

I'll supply the one page summary:

Goyim are mentally inferior to Jews and can’t run their nations properly. For their sake and ours, we need to abolish their governments and replace them with a single government. This will take a long time and involve much bloodshed, but it’s for a good cause. Here’s what we’ll need to do:

*Place our agents and helpers everywhere
*Take control of the media and use it in propaganda for our plans
*Start fights between different races, classes and religions
*Use bribery, threats and blackmail to get our way
*Use Freemasonic Lodges to attract potential public officials
*Appeal to successful people’s egos
*Appoint puppet leaders who can be controlled by blackmail
*Replace royal rule with socialist rule, then communism, then despotism
*Abolish all rights and freedoms, except the right of force by us
*Sacrifice people (including Jews sometimes) when necessary
*Eliminate religion; replace it with science and materialism
*Control the education system to spread deception and destroy intellect
*Rewrite history to our benefit
*Create entertaining distractions
*Corrupt minds with filth and perversion
*Encourage people to spy on one another
*Keep the masses in poverty and perpetual labor
*Take possession of all wealth, property and (especially) gold
*Use gold to manipulate the markets, cause depressions etc.
*Introduce a progressive tax on wealth
*Replace sound investment with speculation
*Make long-term interest-bearing loans to governments
*Give bad advice to governments and everyone else

Eventually the Goyim will be so angry with their governments (because we’ll blame them for the resulting mess) that they’ll gladly have us take over. We will then appoint a descendant of David to be king of the world, and the remaining Goyim will bow down and sing his praises. Everyone will live in peace and obedient order under his glorious rule.

We could just continue to assume this is a Hoax, but can someone riddle me this......
Why so accurate when over 100 years old?

reply to post by ObservingYou


is it possible the word Jew refers to a Zionist race of communists whose distinct purpose is to take control of the roman church for purpose of seizing economic, political and religious control in democratic nations.

this wandering tribe seems good at prophesy they knew before ww2 that 6 million were going to die before they had a homeland of their own .

i wonder do they do lottery results for a commision of course

The Thirteenth Tribe
By Arthur Koestler, who stated his intent was to make antisemitism disappear by disproving its racial basis.

Originally posted by ObservingYou
The Thirteenth Tribe
By Arthur Koestler, who stated his intent was to make antisemitism disappear by disproving its racial basis.

its all in the blood sister 90 % are not semitic

Another lost Stormfront member.

Well this thread explains a lot about the OP. The Protocols? Seriously?

No.

The Zionests have two chief goals they hold above all others:

1, Increase immigration into all western "white" country's by infiltrating key positions in politics.

2, Via media (which they now own), promote 24, 7 the ideal of multiracial relationships.

luxus
The Zionests have two chief goals they hold above all others:

1, Increase immigration into all western "white" country's by infiltrating key positions in politics.

2, Via media (which they now own), promote 24, 7 the ideal of multiracial relationships.

Proof? Oh and the Protocols are still a forgery by the way.

ObservingYou
I will be sourcing The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, currently classified as hoax.

No, they will always be classified as a hoax, only Jew haters like think they are not a hoax!

Quiet in here, isn't it? Whatever happened to the unveiling of the OPs theory?

AngryCymraeg
Quiet in here, isn't it? Whatever happened to the unveiling of the OPs theory?

Few weeks later I'm still wondering aha.

Xaphan
Another lost Stormfront member.

episode 2 series 2 of enterprise is called stormfront look at the names at the start of it and you will see the name of my history teacher who just happens to have the name of a american actor .

i knew his little secret that he was one of the thousands of germans given jobs and new identities by the british goverment operation paperclip went on in britian but with a differant name .

he trained many champions in fencing and was a good history teacher but just happened to be the name of the ss officer in a 80s sitcom allo allo herr flick was close to his name but the look was a 100%.

some where in tv land script writers are pulling the p big time .

nothing happens by chance

When exactly was this written? Is there proof?

reply to post by Xaphan


Right, because we should discuss any conspiracy theory like little reptiles that control our government EXCEPT those conspiracies that revolve around an unsavory aspect of Judaism. :: Rolls eyes ::

If we can talk about how the Roman Catholic church (or Christianity in general) or Islam is slowly taking over the world by backdoor dealings, why not Judaism? Now I personally have very little interest in Zionism, I hold the conspiracy theories regarding it in as much light as I do Reptilians controlling our government. But the fact that once someone starts to discuss it, you get idiots posting in the threads saying, "Oh look Nazi's!". Sheesh!

The Jewish religion is no more special than anyone else, and if people want to discuss conspiracies regarding it, than let them. If that's to be off topic, than I also suggest that we no longer discuss Christianity, Islam etc. too.

Point I'm trying to make: Why should Zionism conspiracies be any more taboo than any other idiotic conspiracy theories out there? Because of something that happened before the majority of us were born? Give me a break.

hellobruce

ObservingYou
I will be sourcing The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, currently classified as hoax.

No, they will always be classified as a hoax, only Jew haters like think they are not a hoax!

Hoax or not, the accuracy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is uncanny enough to give one pause. Take Protocol2.1 for instance.. from the OP's source

Protocol #2 – Economic Wars 1. Whenever we start a war, we shouldn’t do so for the purpose of gaining territory; at least not as a general rule. Instead we should do it for economic gains. This way everyone will see how powerful we are; and they will be in fear of our many international spies and agents who roam the earth without limitation. National rights will then be wiped out by our international rights, which are the proper sense of right – the right of force. We will then rule the nations in the same way that the nations rule their citizens.

How many nations, just in the past decade, have had their national banks looted and replaced with branches of the IMF/World Bank?
Or of Protocol 7.3-5?

3. If any country dares to oppose us, we must be in a position to respond by way of war. We will do this by teaming up with the neighbors of that country. But if those neighbors should also venture to stand collectively together against us, then we must resist with a universal war. 4. The main factor of success in politics is to operate in secrecy. A diplomat must say one thing but then do another. 5. We must compel the governments of the Goyim to take action in the direction favored by our well thought-out plan, which is nearing completion, by what we shall claim is public opinion. This ‘opinion’ will be secretly promoted by us through the means of that so-called "Great Power" – the media, which, apart from a few unimportant exceptions, is already entirely in our hands. In order to display our system of keeping the governments of the Goyim in Europe in check, we shall show our strength by committing terrorist attacks against one of them. If the governments of Europe should collectively rise against us, we shall respond using the military might of America or China or Japan.

When the ones that are doing the 'debunking' are the authors of the object being 'debunked', it is enough to cause doubt on the authenticity of the debunkers.

reply to post by occrest


As I previously mentioned, I don't believe in the OP's theory. Is it possible? Well, anything is possible. But that doesn't mean I believe everything. And so far, I've truly not seen any evidence of the protocols being real.

But I wanted to touch upon something I've found very frustrating here on ATS. Many ATS'ers believe they "know better" than the "average Joe" and that they truly deny ignorance. But I've come to see that this isn't the case, despite what many ATS'ers believe about themselves. I've seen many truly interesting threads get trashed because the very same people who supposedly "denies ignorance" openly embraces it just because the subject matter upsets them.

It ranges from abortion to the Holocaust. I've not seen so many emotional, knee jerk reactions to these subjects than anywhere else but here on ATS. Why? Aren't we supposed to "deny ignorance"? Bashing someone for presenting us with a thread that yes, may be politically incorrect, isn't denying ignorance. In fact, I'd go as far to say that political correctness IS ignorance. It's used to stave anyone who may question something deemed "improper" to question from questioning it.

And many ATS'ers follow in line with their faux chants of "denying ignorance". Of course, you'll also have idiots who will use argumentative fallacies in hopes of putting someone down. Like Xaphan, hellobruce, AngryCymraeg and undoubtedly many more to follow. Such idiocy doesn't go against the thread or the OP they bash, but rather it goes against them and their lack of intellectual discussion.

Just because something is politically incorrect to discuss, doesn't make it any less important to discuss. It's just recently something politically incorrect has been forced upon our discussion tables here on ATS (Trayvon VS Zimmerman and Black on White crime) that's slowly become acceptable to discuss. And for that, I applaud ATS. You're not allowing the politically correct force you to ignore the subject any longer.

I myself was engaged to a Jewish girl a few years back in which I still have a strong friendship with. Even she could read OP's thread without an over emotional knee jerk reaction and jump on argumentative fallacies to try to sway others to her point of view. (Still, she wouldn't agree with the OP.)

And it's because of people mentioned above, that I have a strong urge to come into threads like this and back up the OP, even though I disagree wholeheartedly with them and their beliefs. I'll be damned if I allow something taboo or "politically correct" to force me from talking about a subject, hence my signature.

Oh for heaven's sake. We've known that the protocols are a fake for more than a century. Most of it was lifted straight from Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, a French satirical pamphlet, which was written by Maurice Joly in 1864. It was used as an attack on the liberal policies of Sergei Witte in Russia. People believe in them because they want to believe that there's this overarching conspiracy on the part of teh joows. Then they put hoods on their heads and try to organise a pogrom.

As for conspiracies, israel has to be the biggest conspiracy
of them all.
The holy-land is for all christians/mormons/catholics/
protestants/babtists/muslims/jw's/presbyterians . . .
As a state solely for kabbalist/judiasm, it is
a disaster from get go AND NOT democratic.
This is a conspiracy in it self.
Mt. sinai (mt.sin) was the cradle of judiasim where their religion
was born.
If anything churchill should have lobbied/created a
centre for judiasm at mt. sinai.
. . . but when you literally build walls around your religion,
it says a lot

reply to post by AngryCymraeg


I'm fully aware of where they (the protocols) originated from, hence me not believing their validity. But I still don't believe anyone should be attacked (i.e. the stormfront comment) for talking about something they personally believe to be important.

I'm partaking in this thread not to discuss the protocols, but rather to highlight the fact that when anyone starts to talk about a "politically correct" or "taboo" subject (i.e. topics regarding race, or anything regarding Judaism) you'll have people like yourself AngryCymraeg that comes into the discussion and labels anyone discussing it as either idiots, nazi's, racists or insert any other unsavory name here.

We're here to deny ignorance, not embrace it. For most of us, we don't believe in the protocols. I don't personally, but if someone feels that maybe it's worth talking about I'll defend their right to do so.