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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
At the same time....xDISARMING people happens in a world dominated on the street by human predators. Strength is deterrence. Weakness invites attack. It's just that simple and anyone who has been on or around the streets will confirm the simplicity of life at that level. Removing a means of defense from LEGAL people, feeds weakness, hence....inviting predators to feed, which they quickly do. Right Chicago? Detroit?
Originally posted by CB328
On the other hand, there areplaces with gun control that don't have much crime like Vermont, so once again it's not because of gun control.
I agree with your take on demographics being the biggest factor but I disagree that more guns wouldn’t change the stats.
I've looked at gun control for a long time and the fact is that crime is more dependent on demographics than gun ownership. Places like Detroit and Chicago have lots of crime because there's lots of people, lots of minorities, lots of poverty, etc. They will always have lots of crime as long as they don't fundamentally change, adding guns isn't going to change that.
If we restrict guns enough, eventually the cost will rise enough that young people can't afford them even on the black market and that would help crime.
Chicago had it's gun ban overturned and it's more violent than ever. That completely defeats the gun worship argument.
Chicago has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. Illinois remains the only state in the country where nobody can legally carry a concealed weapon, and lawmakers recently introduced measures to restrict legal gun ownership even more.
Gun control policies don’t work because they disarm citizens while keeping criminals in possession of guns. Chicago’s strict policies have effectively given lawbreakers a monopoly on weapons in many parts of the city that the Chicago Police Department cannot or will not police effectively.
CHICAGO (Reuters) - The Chicago city council voted unanimously on Wednesday to toughen its existing ban on assault weapons by adding more types of guns to the banned list and imposing stiffer fines for violations of the law.
Violent crime rates in UK have been exploding. They really gained steam since the strict gun control measures in 1988. I guess either you missed those posts on page one or are choosing to ignore them.
Crime decrease in the recent decades is normal in every other developed country, with the increase in life quality crime rates decrease. Also the developments in security, police force play a lot of role. Higher chance of getting caught increases the risk in going to crime, so it also plays some role in lower crime rates.
Originally posted by CB328
It pays to be able to read:
Chicago's gun ban struck down
www.upi.com...edit on 10-8-2013 by CB328 because: (no reason given)
The Chicago Tribune reported yesterday that the Chicago City Council and the Cook County Board of Commissioners have passed what may be the strictest gun-safety laws in the state of Illinois. One county measure bans all gun sales to people under 21 years of age (by contrast, the state of Illinois allows anyone 18 and up to buy rifles and shotguns, and anyone 21 and up to buy handguns). Another new measure requires every gun that a child could access to be stored with a trigger lock in a locked container separate from ammunition or on the owner’s person at all times; the city council passed a similar requirement. They have rather broad definitons of “child.” The city requires child-safe storage if anyone in the house is under 18 years old; the county, anyone under 21. Both measures go well beyond state law, which requires child-safety precautions for gun storage only if anyone in the house is under 14. Moreover, both the city and the county will now impose fines on anyone observed with an improperly secured firearm that a minor could access. By contrast, Illinois only punishes a gun owner for child-safety violations if a child actually acquires the gun and uses it to kill or maim someone.
Violent Crime in the United Kingdom
Includes all violence against the person, sexual offences, and robbery as violent crime.
Rates of violent crime are in the UK are recorded by the British Crime Survey. For the 2010/2011 report on crime in England and Wales, the statistics show that violent crime continues a general downward trend observed over the last few decades as shown in the graph. "The 2010/11 BCS showed overall violence was down 47 per cent on the level seen at its peak in 1995; representing nearly two million fewer violent offences per year." In 2010/11, 31 people per 1000 interviewed reported being a victim of violent crime in the 12 preceding months.
Regarding murder, "increasing levels of homicide (at around 2% to 3% per year) [have been observed] from the 1960s through to the end of the twentieth century". Recently the murder rate has declined, "a fall of 19 per cent in homicides since 2001/02", as measured by The Homicide Index.
interesting...I would like to add that it should be more towns and different states
Originally posted by Maxatoria
reply to post by neo96
what is needed is a controlled test...two towns of reasonably equal size under the same local/state/federal laws etc to establish a base line of average crimes etc and then change the gun ownership laws on one to either free for all or none and see what happens with all other basic law changes being mirrored between the two places