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Best Countries to Move to?

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posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 08:23 PM
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Try to apply as an exchange student.
That's an easy way in. Just start applying for jobs as soon as you get here




posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 08:29 PM
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I uh, kind of used my skills to gather information on the intellectual monopolies for standardized testing and my school systems bureaucracy.

I don't think transferring anywhere is an option, as I've basically managed to (directly,) piss off the people who sign off on such an exchange program and have been basically blacklisted.

I guess I'm not really a "student" because I'm not really in school right now...

On a happier note, my school system is now in danger of losing their accreditation due to corrupt administrative processes! LOL!

*EDIT* Then again, perhaps they'd just want to get me out of their hair... it is worth a shot.
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posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by teachtaire
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Basically, I have no future here.

I may as well be broke and underemployed in a different country rather than stick around here waiting for the ball to drop.

Our debt is a huge reason as well.

Thanks for the answers guys, try to be as detailed as possible. I'm looking up these countries myself, but I don't know how much I can rely on Wikipedia and the CIA fact book.

Also, do you need to be in the country itself to ask for asylum or just at their embassy, as that counts as their soil? Just a random question.


Belize would be the country I would go to. For one, the national language is english.

For two, they have a thriving construction business going on there as people leave their own countries.

And you don't need to request asylum if you didn't break any laws.

But no matter where you go...you're going to have deal with government. That's just the way it is.
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posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by juspassinthru
I've been looking for several years. Top contenders appear to be:
Uruguay
Ecuador
Belize
Panama
Costa Rica
Thailand
There are significant quantities of expats and expat forums.


Looks like you've done your homework. There's virtually no European country that is cost effective relocating from the USA, cost of living all higher there. Spain and Italy have some of the best values but if you're not making it here, there's no way you're going to make it over there from a cost perspective.

I've dropped Panama an Uruguay off my list (too pricey) and replaced them with Bolivia and Nicaragua.
Ecuador uses the US Dollar, but it's a crap shoot as to whether that is a benefit or deficit.
Belize uses English as the official language, so there's an immediate advantage over most other countries. Thailand, Vietnam, Burma, and the Philippines seem pretty affordable, but a long way from home if you've got family ties.

But asylum? Wouldn't go there. Just emigrate somewhere, get a residence visa, blend in. Otherwise it's like you've gotten a neon "I'm a Troublemaker" sign on your forehead.

ganjoa



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:41 PM
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Perhaps I should state that I'd need to take out a loan anyway in order to move there. I'm not rich after all.

Ideally, I'd be able to take out a student loan at a low interest rate and use that for relocation... so basically, I'd be instantly in debt. Dunno how good of an idea that is, but whatever.

These places seem to have odd rules regarding minimum wages of Americans vs. locals.... which I don't really understand all too much.

That being said, does anyone know off the top of their head if any of these places have a particularly high demand for my skill set? What are the wages like for people who do what I do in these places? Especially if they aren't out of college yet... I'm not exactly used to having "normal" jobs like fast food...

of course the language barrier is always there as well ):

Blehg.

*NOTE* I never considered Asylum as an option for myself. I was just wondering about that because of all the stuff on the news. That was a totally different question for an unrelated chain of thought.

I'm not a criminal, I don't need to claim asylum. It was just a random question.
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posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:46 PM
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oz could be good. its a long way from any war thats likely to erupt and i heard a whisper that the elite will keep it as a lifeboat if their plans dont work out. but eventually the radiation from fuku shima will poison the whole planet not to mention the mushroom clouds the senseless pricks will get around to with their middle east wars. then you've got the increase in natural disasters all round the planet and the 2nd sun?? will that fry us? just make yourself comfortable as dimensions will be changeing shortly----------------------- .



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 10:00 PM
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How easy is it to get exemptions for things like vaccinations there?

My husbands family is from Norway, I would like to learn more about it as a possible place to move someday. He just remembers how incredibly expensive everything was in the late 70's ( when he was last there to visit his family)



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 10:00 PM
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posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 10:06 PM
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Why would I want to move to a society that treats citizens worse than we do here in America? $1/hr hardly seems livable.

Wouldn't moving to a developed first world European country with a good system of education make more sense?

The cost of living is higher, true, but the society is actually developed.

Or is it desirable to move to undeveloped nations because starting an exploitation based business model is possible? As in, take out a loan and then start a small business which extracts local resources cheaply and sells them for higher prices in a different market?

That is the only scenario that makes sense in such a situation. Basically, move to a third world country and become an exploiter.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 10:09 PM
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Dont know where you have been in Canada but you have the seasons wrong. .

Winter from late November to mid march. Spring from mid march to early June - mid June. Summer from June to late Septmeber-early October.

Ontario is terrible, I wouldnt suggest it at all. But if your looking to get out of the states because of the current state of everything political, governmental and abusive police force.. Retreating to Canada is not wise. As its an imaginery border line away.

Go South, belew equator line.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 10:12 PM
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You can't just walk into any given country and stay there, y'know. There's dozens of ex-pat sites on the internet with more specific information than you'll get here, including over on Reddit there's a sub Reddit 'get me out of here' forum. You'll find that a lot of people are trying to get out of the countries you're thinking of going in to.

It might be a better option to seriously research all the diffferent locales in the US where you could happily spend the next few years at least; you want good weather (your mileage may vary as to what 'good' is), cheap housing or land costs, and neither a large city or a tiny town if possible.

And look into the new field of aquaponics for both personal food creation and an easy job/career that doesn't require expensive land or much of it to start up. There's a young couple near me who are growing 1000 heads of lettuce and other foodstuffs for sale a week on a half acre of land. That's 1000 heads of lettuce at 2 bucks a pop... it's in the southern Oregon region where the climate is mild but it's not California crazy either. Land and housing is relatively inexpensive, especially out in the sticks. Get yourself a half acre and put a 'tiny house' on it, which is all one person needs to live cheaply and well. Easy to go off grid here too and you'll have lots of company doing the very same thing. Options that look crazy back east are the norm here.

Don't think, 'I have to get a job'; think how you can create your own job. Find a need and fill it and you'll be good anywhere no matter what happens with the general economy, which is probably toast no matter where you're living.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 10:38 PM
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Um.

I'm resourceful and clever enough to make a fully automated aquaponic/hydroponic system of resource exploitation.

I could be mistaken, but I think having that kind of advantage, in terms of technological capabilities, is huge. After all, this is the kind of technology that is being used by the USDA and NASA.

*then again, having that kind of knowledge means I can literally collapse the farming economy by over production/being too efficient*

I'd just rather not be a capitalist exploiter in a foreign country.

And, so far as I can tell, putting that kind of brain power to use in America isn't appreciated. Not to mention the fact that we have a huge debt! Perhaps you missed that part? I, for one, am tired of being a debt slave owned by the state.
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posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by tyfon
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Hi,

I live in Norway.
The minimum wage is quite high, but there are a lot of taxes. You get something else in return than war though.
Murders are scarce and the police don't carry guns. They are stored sealed in the trunk, and they need to radio HQ for permission to use them.

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The social security net is very expansive. You can't really go poor here.
Medical expenses are usually limited to about $150 a year in deductibles, after that it's completely free.

The average wage is about $80000 of which you would need to pay about $25000 in taxes.
Some items like gas and alcohol are taxed more than the usual 25% VAT.

But everyone enjoy 100% paid sick leave, 5 weeks vacation + numerous other holidays, security if you become disabled or unable to work.
If you give birth, the mother and father have 10 months combined 100% paid leave to take care of the newborn.






posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by teachtaire
reply to post by signalfire
 


Um.

I'm resourceful and clever enough to make a fully automated aquaponic/hydroponic system ...


So you grow bud huh?

Don't let this guy into your country!



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 11:41 PM
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Bud? Lord no!

I was part of a program designed to teach the basic skills necessary for resource exploitation. You know, off-world colonization stuff.

Automated & closed biological systems.

That kind of thing.

Sounds crazy, but the only prerequisite is that you are an american citizen. If you're in college, you should ask a counselor if they have a local program... the "NASA Space Grant Consortium". It is a pretty obscure program, it may have run out of funding recently.
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*NOTE* I'm unsure that using those techniques, which were designed for off-world use, on this planet is the greatest idea.
edit on 9-8-2013 by teachtaire because: due to, you know, global markets.



posted on Aug, 10 2013 @ 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by teachtaire
reply to post by micmerci
 


Basically, I have no future here.

I may as well be broke and underemployed in a different country rather than stick around here waiting for the ball to drop.

Our debt is a huge reason as well.

Thanks for the answers guys, try to be as detailed as possible. I'm looking up these countries myself, but I don't know how much I can rely on Wikipedia and the CIA fact book.

Also, do you need to be in the country itself to ask for asylum or just at their embassy, as that counts as their soil? Just a random question.


Buddy, if your reason for fleeing the USA is our debt and the possibility it might lead to a systemic collapse, you would be better off right here because there would be nowhere else to hide.

Don't believe the liberal media. America is still the biggest dog of all and the dollar is still king.



posted on Aug, 10 2013 @ 12:40 AM
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I never said I was "fleeing".

Where did I say I was "fleeing"?

What am I fleeing from? Obesity and Jesus?

Ah yes! The great nation of California!

www.rtl.fr...

Awesome place to move if you don't mind Mexican druggies coming over the border and burning down the country side!
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posted on Aug, 10 2013 @ 12:47 AM
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Your attitude of "no future here" is half the problem of what's wrong with the United States. So many people, especially the youth, have the mindset of giving up, moving on, and hoping someone else will take care of the problems.

Unfortunately, most countries won't let you in just to be a bum. You could get a travel or student visa for some time, but once that expires you have to leave the country. If you stick around too long, and are caught, you could easily face harsh prison time or deportation back to the states.

On the other-hand, moving a country where you have a needed skill or profession makes it easier. The medical profession (doctor, veterinarian, specialist, etc...) is a good and easy place to start. Of course, you still need to justify why they should let you in on a work visa. You getting a job means that one of their citizens is not.

Most other countries are not as welcoming of foreigners transplanting to their country as the United States is.

Lastly, it is my belief that in order to apply for asylum of any type, you would need some reason for it. Countries don't just hand out asylum for no reason at all.

So why not get some gumption and try and make something of yourself here? You're already established residency. You presumably have a roof over your head. You say you can't find a job and you have no skills, among other excuses. Have you tried looking for a job?

Look into retail. Almost all of the big box and chain stores should be starting their holiday hiring later this month. The seasonal Halloween stores should be opening soon, so it shouldn't be too hard to get into one of those either. It might be a warehouse job, or a cashier job, or something else menial, but it would at least be minimum wage. The big box stores, such as Best Buy and its regional competitors, usually start even the seasonal people off at $8.50/hour. If you can get into Home Depot or Lowe's those stores start at higher wages.

I mentioned the medical field before. You can get a two year nursing degree for under $20k if you go to community college. They make just as much money as the four year degree folks. That easily starts at $20/hr, and there are tons of available jobs. You can train to be a medical assistant or phlebotomist in even less time, with even less money. They still make around $12/hr.

Look into data entry, or entry level sales (insurance, cars, etc...), or become a truck driver. Those jobs will often pay you for training and once you get your foot in the door, get some experience, it becomes easier to move up. Each of them with no skills or experience needed to start.

Look into starting your own business. You claim to have some skills with hydroponics, which I'm sure you could start a business with. There are tons of local, state, and federal loans and grants for people to start and grow small businesses. Small businesses provide employment to over half of the employed population in the country, so the government likes to foster them and keep them going.

For jobs just look on Monster, or CareerBuilder, or even Craigslist. The jobs are out there. The first step in getting one is applying.
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posted on Aug, 10 2013 @ 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
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Your attitude of "no future here" is half the problem of what's wrong with the United States. So many people, especially the youth, have the mindset of giving up, moving on, and hoping someone else will take care of the problems.

Unfortunately, most countries won't let you in just to be a bum. You could get a travel or student visa for some time, but once that expires you have to leave the country. If you stick around too long, and are caught, you could easily face harsh prison time or deportation back to the states.

On the other-hand, moving a country where you have a needed skill or profession makes it easier. The medical profession (doctor, veterinarian, specialist, etc...) is a good and easy place to start. Of course, you still need to justify why they should let you in on a work visa. You getting a job means that one of their citizens is not.

Most other countries are not as welcoming of foreigners transplanting to their country as the United States is.

Lastly, it is my belief that in order to apply for asylum of any type, you would need some reason for it. Countries don't just hand out asylum for no reason at all.

So why not get some gumption and try and make something of yourself here? You're already established residency. You presumably have a roof over your head. You say you can't find a job and you have no skills, among other excuses. Have you tried looking for a job?

Look into retail. Almost all of the big box and chain stores should be starting their holiday hiring later this month. The seasonal Halloween stores should be opening soon, so it shouldn't be too hard to get into one of those either. It might be a warehouse job, or a cashier job, or something else menial, but it would at least be minimum wage. The big box stores, such as Best Buy and its regional competitors, usually start even the seasonal people off at $8.50/hour. If you can get into Home Depot or Lowe's those stores start at higher wages.

I mentioned the medical field before. You can get a two year nursing degree for under $20k if you go to community college. They make just as much money as the four year degree folks. That easily starts at $20/hr, and there are tons of available jobs. You can train to be a medical assistant or phlebotomist in even less time, with even less money. They still make around $12/hr.

Look into data entry, or entry level sales (insurance, cars, etc...), or become a truck driver. Those jobs will often pay you for training and once you get your foot in the door, get some experience, it becomes easier to move up. Each of them with no skills or experience needed to start.

Look into starting your own business. You claim to have some skills with hydroponics, which I'm sure you could start a business with. There are tons of local, state, and federal loans and grants for people to start and grow small businesses. Small businesses provide employment to over half of the employed population in the country, so the government likes to foster them and keep them going.

For jobs just look on Monster, or CareerBuilder, or even Craigslist. The jobs are out there. The first step in getting one is applying.
edit on 8/10/2013 by cmdrkeenkid because: Minor touch up.



I don't think you actually read what I wrote?

I have a very specific skill set, which is generally precluding me from working in jobs that want zombie workers.

I have been looking for work. If anything, it is people like yourself who ignorantly spout off things that is making life difficult.

I just stated, in so many words, that I could apply technology meant for planetary scale resource exploitation to terrestrial locations.The Australian outback would be one such location where this could be done without crashing the agricultural market. You can think that I'm talking out of my ass, but perhaps you should read the mission statement for the program I was talking about or the projected/desired outcomes?

"Enhancing undergraduate education by encouraging undergraduate research in space science, remote sensing, planetary resource exploration, and aerospace engineering, and developing innovative courses in these areas."

"The establishment of permanent space settlements will require extensive use of indigenous resources. Settlers will need materials to develop and maintain the infrastructure and to produce products for both export and local use. Most of these materials must come from local sources rather than Earth because our current home planet sits in a deep gravity well. Understanding how to use indigenous resources is a multifaceted, long-term research effort."

Do you understand what that means?

At any rate, you sound like my parents who are, TBQH, brainwashed.

There are global factors at play right now, and your views are outdated.

*NOTE* The fact that you believe I'm considering applying for asylum PROVES that you haven't been reading what I'm saying. LEARN HOW TO READ.
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posted on Aug, 10 2013 @ 01:32 AM
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Why in the World would you want to leave the USA?

You know people are breaking their necks to get in there.

You are already a citizen of a rich country, you have a social security card, you can work anywhere in your country legally. Consider the illegals who cant.

The USA still has the cheapest Fuel, the cheapest cars, the cheapest food, the cheapest clothes, etc etc, than the rest of the World.

Yes life is hard, it is hard anywhere you go, generally much harder in some countries.

You obviously have some smarts, perhaps move to an area in the US you like and start afresh (which you can easily do).

Think of the skills you have, and apply them to something you may enjoy.
If you are good at "Intelligence gathering", there is the Army, Navy, FBI, CIA, NSA.....(we could use an insider...Just joking Powers that Be)

Buy a Harley or old Van, and travel the continental USA. See the whole country.......Many smaller communities have casual work for travellers. Fruit Picking, Labouring etc cash money..who knows ...what a great adventure.

Do a course and look after old people, a growing industry that will be more in demand in the future.

Try and be positive about the future...ATS may not be the best forum to hedge all your dreams, especially with the doom and gloom aficionados here.
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Its hard when you are young and broke, but you are not alone.
Many a great idea or plan has come together in adversity.

Stick it out, governments are governments everywhere....that will never change.




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