Obamacare installs new scrutiny, fines for charitable hospitals that treat uninsured people

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by BritofTexas

 

Well, you know, that after the scandal with the IRS

Any evidence of an actual scandal?

But now, almost two months later, we know that in fact the IRS targeted lots of different kinds of groups, not just conservative ones; that the only organizations whose tax-exempt statuses were actually denied were progressive ones;

How the Media Outrageously Blew the IRS Scandal

reply to post by BritofTexas


Lets hear their stories then eh ?

And for the record conservative are still being targeted by the IRS.

In a remarkable admission that is likely to rock the Internal Revenue Service again, testimony released Thursday by House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp reveals that an agent involved in reviewing tax exempt applications from conservative groups told a committee investigator that the agency is still targeting Tea Party groups, three months after the IRS scandal erupted.

IRS agent: Tax agency is still targeting Tea Party groups

The IRS electioneered for the current administration, and is in charge of Obamacare that gets to 'scrutinize' charitable hospitals.

Since past treatment is already on record on conservatives it is a given how those hospitals are going to get treated.

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
I see and hear everyone bitching about Obamacare. I have yet to see any of these same people offer up ways to fix it. I'm not talking about, "Go back to how it was." kind of answers either.

I say we get the same healthcare Congress gets............






Oh wait.....

Originally posted by neo96
Since past treatment is already on record on conservatives it is a given how those hospitals are going to get treated.

Hospitals are Conservative?

As to the second half of your claim. Your crystal ball obviously works better than mine.

Originally posted by links234
reply to post by neo96

 

So what you're saying is that we should just depend on charity to handle our sick and poor?

Thankfully a lot of people, the president included, disagree with you.

Are you serious?!?!??!

Lets see about 1/3 of American's are working full time with no healthcare. They aren't getting it because they can't afford it. Most of the lower and lower middle class are working check to check. Suppose an accident befalls any of these people, what? Dont treat them because they can't afford it? Let them die I suppose?

I hope the devil is as merciless with you.

Originally posted by BritofTexas

Originally posted by neo96
Since past treatment is already on record on conservatives it is a given how those hospitals are going to get treated.

Hospitals are Conservative?

As to the second half of your claim. Your crystal ball obviously works better than mine.

Them Catholic Hospitals are.

reply to post by ISHAMAGI


You kinda missped my point and who I was talking to.

reply to post by BritofTexas


Yes, let blame the boogey man, because the government is exempt from faults.

In which planet do you leave my friend, the Obama administration is becoming one of the most corrupted administration ever and is not even over yet.

He make the Nixon administration look like a walk in the park and child's play.

Lo and behold, only those that still hold on political parties believes can not find any fault on the corporate dictatorship that now runs the nation.

Everything in this nation have private interest stamp on them including the whores we call politicians this days, you can buy any of them for the right price.

Sadly the hard working American can not afford any of their services that once used to belong free to the people.

reply to post by ISHAMAGI


Thankfully our neck of the woods major hospital treat non insured people, because they are non profit organizations.

If it wasn't for them people will actually die in our majority welfare city, now as usual is those that always abuse the system making harder for the real needy to have a hard time getting care.

As usual Obamacare is nothing but the bastard child of private interest companies in the insurance business in the disguise of helping the poor and needy, without expansion of Medicaid is not going to be coverage for the poor and needy, because that was the part of Obama care that was designed for the poor, at the expenses of states tax payers, because the productive working class will be gauged by the other part of the Obmacare tax.

The supreme court took away the rights of the Federal government to go after states for no expanding Medicaid but screw the productive working class with a tax.

Nothing in America is free, in order to give welfare and social services to those that do not work or are in the working class poor somebody else have to pay for those services, the government doesn't make any money is all working class money.

I forgot, something, I made a mistake, the government do have the ability to create money with the treasury but still at the expenses of the tax payers in the nation.

reply to post by neo96


Oh great I thought that Obama was the voice of the little guy. Out to protect the down trodden. Savior of the world.

Wasn't it Obama that said " I am the one that we have been waiting for"?

Oh wait I am not a socialist fascist Marxist pig I didn't vote for this douche. Still the liberals follow like sheep. Not realizing that the cliff is fast approaching.

reply to post by neo96


Don't mind Brit he's still got that tingle up his leg from listening to the msn to much.

Msn turns your head to mush.

Not to mention all the other damage....

The three minute video shows how many of the law’s promises (lower costs, no changes to individual plans, universal coverage) are false, and how people who thought they would not be impacted by the law may be impacted after all. The video coincides with the August recess in Congress, and Crossroads GPS urges use of the video to help explain the law.

damned if ya do, damned if ya don't.

*Edit to add: Tax exempt status and EMTALA are different animals. But, I can see how some folks might get confused since some of the sources out there are...just way out there. WAAAY out there*

The federal govt and individual states have minimum standards that are required to be met for non-profits/charitable facilities to qualify for tax exemption. Not for profits need to set aside a certain amount of their income to treat the patients that are unable to pay (varies but often it is close to 3.5(ish)%). Many hospitals do well in following this law when true emergencies exist.

But, some not for profit hospitals that are equipped to handle emergent situations fail to meet the rules of EMTALA (evaluate patients and treat the patients that have emergency medical conditions -which also include active labor- regardless of their ability to pay) when faced with a patient that does not have the ability to pay . The guilty facilities often engage in 'patient dumping' even though they are equipped to handle and treat the emergency. They dump the "self pay" patients which means they are not fulfilling their lawful obligations (for that tax break) but they still diligently claim not for profit status. This has been a very large and serious issue in the healthcare industry for decades - non-profits not treating charitable cases but still claiming tax exemptions as though they are in compliance with the laws.

Under the ACA, fewer people (theoretically) will find themselves uninsured. Under those circumstances, fewer hospitals will be able to meet the minimum standards of charitable treatment of emergency conditions (again, theoretically.) Those hospitals that wish to continue operating under IRS definitions of non-profit hospitals will now have to prove that there is truly a need for that tax exemption and that a certain percentage of the money they earn is actually going towards charitable assessment and treatment. The first, and most logical, place for those facilities to look for the need is within their own communities. Their actual meeting of the minimum charitable needs...well...I guess we will have to wait and see if they change their stripes.

Between the ACA and EMTALA, it seems that the feds are finally going to start enforcing laws that have been on the books for decades. I hope the teeth that are showing aren't just milk teeth.

Originally posted by links234
reply to post by neo96

 

So what you're saying is that we should just depend on charity to handle our sick and poor?

Thankfully a lot of people, the president included, disagree with you.

Good thing Mother Theresa didn't treat the sick and poor that way. Imagine her kicking someone out on the street? "Sorry, you don't have insurance, go away".

There are a lot of people in this country that have gone sick in their minds, to not even want to help other sick people out.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by ISHAMAGI

 

Thankfully our neck of the woods major hospital treat non insured people, because they are non profit organizations.

If it wasn't for them people will actually die in our majority welfare city, now as usual is those that always abuse the system making harder for the real needy to have a hard time getting care.

As usual Obamacare is nothing but the bastard child of private interest companies in the insurance business in the disguise of helping the poor and needy, without expansion of Medicaid is not going to be coverage for the poor and needy, because that was the part of Obama care that was designed for the poor, at the expenses of states tax payers, because the productive working class will be gauged by the other part of the Obmacare tax.

The supreme court took away the rights of the Federal government to go after states for no expanding Medicaid but screw the productive working class with a tax.

Nothing in America is free, in order to give welfare and social services to those that do not work or are in the working class poor somebody else have to pay for those services, the government doesn't make any money is all working class money.

Oh yes. I could have died back in May if my hospital was not charitable. I had insurance, and when Obamacare kicked in, I lost my full time status AND my insurance. I was hemorrhaging in May and had a hemoglobin of 5.4. I had to be admitted for blood transfusion and tests to find out what was going on. (Do not take advil folks, it will eat your stomach lining).

I had no warning that I was bleeding inside, just felt dizzy then BAM my heart started to pound very hard one night.

If my hospital had not taken me, I would have died, they told me if I had not have come in that night, I would have died in my sleep.

reply to post by Taissa


Sorry Taissa that you have been having such a hard time with medical problems, I am glad that you got the treatment you have and saved your life.

My daughter is an emergency room nurse in another county than the one she lives and the burden of the patients are within the uninsured, they do not turn anybody around, even the uninsured received top care and any trauma case that can not be treated in the hospital is sent to Atlanta by air.

In my neck of the wood our major hospital is top of the line, with major trauma and cancer center completely independent from Atlanta but is a monopoly as its no competition around against them, they are also a Non profit hospital, while the uninsured will still get free care, we already have been warned by the city that Obama care mandate will make impossible for those that can be mandated to use the insurance exchange that in order to work it have to have competition, this mean total control by one hospital on prices for those with insurance.

Still the area is mostly welfare recipients this means that is one group that will be target to cover for the rest of the population, insurance companies are going to have a party in my neck of the woods without insurance exchange.

The Affordable Care act, is a joke because nowhere within the act is anything to stop the gouging of the mandated class just that those with pre existing conditions can not be denied.

When you have a bill that is written by the insurance companies themselves you know that is nothing in it for the people is all for the interest parties.

America is a all for profit nation and no whore politician that is in the pockets of big interest money is working for anybody but themselves and their benefactors.

Another fine? why does a healthcare act that is suppose to be affordable and help people require so many fines and taxes?

If the affordable care act really did make healthcare affordable then there shouldn`t be any people who don`t have insurance so there is no need to fine hospitals who treat uninsured people.It seems to me that this new tax/fine is an admission that they already know that obamacare is going to fail.

you can try to spin it and rationalize it any way you want but the bottom line is that the government is going to tax,fine and penalize hospitals who try to help the poor.if you don`t see a problem with that then just remember this,
when you start putting money before people then the only person left standing will be the person with the most money.

reply to post by Tardacus


Thanks the Supreme court for that one, when they upheld the Obamacrap as a tax, the poor will not be the affected one neither the welfare working class but only those that the IRS can control by their accounts during tax season.