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What a sick article from The New Yorker "civil forfeiture" you might want to read what is going on

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posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 07:24 AM
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www.newyorker.com...


In general, you needn’t be found guilty to have your assets claimed by law enforcement; in some states, suspicion on a par with “probable cause” is sufficient. Nor must you be charged with a crime, or even be accused of one. Unlike criminal forfeiture, which requires that a person be convicted of an offense before his or her property is confiscated, civil forfeiture amounts to a lawsuit filed directly against a possession, regardless of its owner’s guilt or innocence.



Were there any drugs in the car? When Henderson and Boatright said no, the officer asked if he and his partner could search the car.


They did have money in the car..... they were going on vacation


The officers found the couple’s cash and a marbled-glass pipe that Boatright said was a gift for her sister-in-law, and escorted them across town to the police station. In a corner there, two tables were heaped with jewelry, DVD players, cell phones, and the like. According to the police report, Boatright and Henderson fit the profile of drug couriers: they were driving from Houston, “a known point for distribution of illegal narcotics,” to Linden, “a known place to receive illegal narcotics.” The report describes their children as possible decoys, meant to distract police as the couple breezed down the road, smoking marijuana. (None was found in the car, although Washington claimed to have smelled it.)



The county’s district attorney, a fifty-seven-year-old woman with feathered Charlie’s Angels hair named Lynda K. Russell, arrived an hour later. Russell, who moonlighted locally as a country singer, told Henderson and Boatright that they had two options. They could face felony charges for “money laundering” and “child endangerment,” in which case they would go to jail and their children would be handed over to foster care. Or they could sign over their cash to the city of Tenaha, and get back on the road. “No criminal charges shall be filed,” a waiver she drafted read, “and our children shall not be turned over to CPS,” or Child Protective Services.
You can keep your kids just give us the money....If the kids were in danger....and could be taken by CPS because the parents were true dirt bags then money should not matter...Ransom pure and simple IMO.

Another story:

Guillory recalls. In August, 2007, Tenaha police pulled Morrow over for “driving too close to the white line,” and took thirty-nine hundred dollars from him. Morrow told Guillory that he was on his way to get dental work done at a Houston mall. (The arresting officers said that his “stories of travel” were inconsistent, as was his account of how much money he had; they also said they detected the “odor of burned marijuana,” although no contraband was found in the car.) Morrow, who is black, was taken to jail, where he pleaded with authorities to call his bank to see proof of his recent cash withdrawal. They declined.


Why call and verify they got the money?


“They impounded my car, and they impounded me, too,” Morrow told me, recalling the night he spent in jail. When he finally agreed to sign away his property, he was released on the side of the road with no money, no vehicle, and no phone. “I had to go to Wal-Mart and borrow someone’s phone to call my mama,” he recounted. “She had to take out a rental car to come pick me up.” For weeks, Morrow said he felt “crippled,” unsure of what to do. He says that a Tenaha officer told him, “Don’t even bother getting a lawyer. The money always stays here.” But finally he decided “to shine a big ol’ light on them.”


It is a rather long article but these are just a few of the cases..Which I personally might expect form some third world Banana Republic...


Whether this should be the law—whether, in the absence of a judicial finding of guilt, the state should be able to take possession of your property—has been debated since before American independence. In the Colonial period, the English Crown issued “writs of assistance” that permitted customs officials to enter homes or vessels and seize whatever they deemed contraband. As the legal scholars Eric Blumenson and Eva Nilsen have noted, these writs were “among the key grievances that triggered the American Revolution.” The new nation’s Bill of Rights would expressly forbid “unreasonable searches and seizures” and promise that no one would be deprived of “life, liberty, or property, without due process.” Nonetheless, Congress soon authorized the use of civil-forfeiture actions against pirates and smugglers. It was easier to prosecute a vessel and seize its cargo than to try to prosecute its owner, who might be an ocean away. In the ensuing decades, the practice fell into disuse and, aside from a few brief revivals, remained mostly dormant for the next two centuries.



Victor Ramos Guzman, a Pentecostal Church secretary from El Salvador, who lives in the U.S. under temporary protected status, is typical in all these respects. A year and a half ago, he and his brother-in-law were driving along Interstate 95 near Emporia, Virginia, en route, documents show, to buy a parcel of land for their church. When a state trooper pulled them over for speeding, Guzman and his brother-in-law disclosed that they were carrying twenty-eight thousand five hundred dollars in parishioners’ donations. Although the trooper found no contraband, he seized the cash. By reporting the case to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Guzman was in the country legally, but he spoke little English), the state police could gain up to eighty per cent of the seizure through the federal Equitable Sharing program.


Again any program has the possibility to be corrupted....Add major money and the corruption is not far behind.


Revenue gains were staggering. At the Justice Department, proceeds from forfeiture soared from twenty-seven million dollars in 1985 to five hundred and fifty-six million in 1993. (Last year, the department took in nearly $4.2 billion in forfeitures, a record.)

That was what was reported....Hummm could there have been more in some little towns leader's pockets?




posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:55 AM
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B A D G E S are R E D C O A T S !!

when will people understand? EVERY SINGLE THING THE REDCOATS DID, COPS DO!

our ancestors KNEW THIS!! and WE (most sheeple) still BLINDLY obey and RESPECT them.. ffs!!

1. Profiting and Perpetuating a FOR PROFIT prison system
2. Throwing people out of homes at gunpoint for the bankster elite!
3. Shooting People in the BACK !! NOTHING .... NOTHING more cowardly..ooops
4. actually there is evidence FILMED and uploaded DAILY that SHOWS COPS ARE COWARDS:
--- punching unarmed women in the face
--- hitting KIDS in the FACE
--- Beating and KILLING PENSIONERS!
--- enforcing and PROFITING from bogus ticket REVENUW campaigns

CIVIL ASSET FORFEITURE!!! for this alone,, cops should LIVE EVERY SECOND IN FEAR!

knowing that one day THEY ALL HANG --- as the TRAITORS they are

knowing THEY are the BIGGEST TOOL of OPPRESSION by the ELITES

and NO...........NO ONE.......other profession

presents and proves itself as more of........ ENEMY of the people

edit on 9-8-2013 by HanzHenry because: bb code



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:55 AM
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I have to believe that LEOs are not there primarily for protection and assistance, but revenue collection. They are, for the most part predators, not protectors. Their job seems to be make reports after the fact, issue tickets, and bust who ever they can for traffic violations.

Everyone is a potential criminal these days and if they aren't, then it is easy enough to make it seem that way and the burden of proof is on the suspect that has been set up to get run through the system for profit. Even if you hire a lawyer and get off the charges, you have already contributed to the system.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 10:04 AM
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If the ever was a time for revolutionary change in the way the system gets to rip off the people, it is NOW!
The police are nothing but an occupying force of the government.
They are there to protect the corruption, not end it.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by stirling
If the ever was a time for revolutionary change in the way the system gets to rip off the people, it is NOW!
The police are nothing but an occupying force of the government.
They are there to protect the corruption, not end it.


if corruption, stomping on peoples' rights, outright THEFT, etc.. are what it takes..

then HECK, those piles will DO ANYTHING.....ANYTHING....to "feed their family" or ensure their "retirement and pension come first"..

THEY ARE just like The Sheriff of Nottingham's Henchmen.........circa Robin Hood..



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 10:40 AM
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They know how much cash you have before they pull you over.

Their roadside sniffer reads that little white strip in your money.

Probably alerted on their pipe as well (if ever used).

In Texas it is against the law to cross a county line with over $10,000.

But don't worry, Texas is one of the few states you may drive barefoot.

So if they take your shoes...You can still get on down the road.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 11:13 AM
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A friend got pulled over and issued a DUI and posession. They took him and his car away. 2 Weeks later they were both thrown out and his car had already been sold and yup a cop bought it for $200. Now this was a 2 year old Chevy Impala that was spotless. He finally sued in the county he lived in and won the case but it took over a year to get the money. He never would have gotten anywhere if he lived in the same county



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 12:08 PM
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im not surprised by anything like this at all anymore....


i tried to see if i could buy some domains like 'copcrazy.com' or the like....guess what....all the good names are taken.....but when you go to the site theres nothing there....its just being 'held'...hmmmmmmm


anyway, there needs to be a clearinghouse website where all these kinds of stories and anecdotes can be posted.....im pretty sure the vast quantity of accounts would be mind boggling.....i just dont want MY name on the registrar record lol.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 12:37 PM
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Civil Forfeiture, Eminent domain, Property tax seizure.

You own nothing, you either lease it, or have it at the Governments discretion.

Land of the free, home of the brave, RIP.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 04:04 PM
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I really don't know what to say. I'd heard of the old speed limit scam, but that is buttons compared to this, and the irony of it all is that it seems the last thing that was found was actual drugs, or presumed money laundering, which in the laundering cases they were let go, (maybe in the hope that they would be 'catched' again) And on the subject of money laundering, all you need is a bank, a cafe, and receipts from the till.
The Philadelphia story on the old folks, is pathetic as are the others. It's as if no one in officialdom is caring anymore and just want to take you for what you have, or all that you have on a wink and a nod. Thanks OP for this story, my only wish is that all those that starred and flagged come back with something. I guess maybe they are reading on, Smurfy



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by HanzHenry
B A D G E S are R E D C O A T S !!

when will people understand? EVERY SINGLE THING THE REDCOATS DID, COPS DO!

our ancestors KNEW THIS!! and WE (most sheeple) still BLINDLY obey and RESPECT them.. ffs!!

1. Profiting and Perpetuating a FOR PROFIT prison system
2. Throwing people out of homes at gunpoint for the bankster elite!
3. Shooting People in the BACK !! NOTHING .... NOTHING more cowardly..ooops
4. actually there is evidence FILMED and uploaded DAILY that SHOWS COPS ARE COWARDS:
--- punching unarmed women in the face
--- hitting KIDS in the FACE
--- Beating and KILLING PENSIONERS!
--- enforcing and PROFITING from bogus ticket REVENUW campaigns


Yes, I've seen all the video stuff, the rest is documented. It's all very disturbing, and there is no point in saying that the activities highlighted here should be nipped in the bud as it has been going on for so long, and it looks like everyone is also unequal under the law, well sort of since the law is not even involved...unless you have the shekels and the status, status being deferential of course.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 05:37 PM
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BTW, this another story from the same source,

www.newyorker.com...

If true, it only makes the money-go-round effort even worse and blatant.

Basically a SWAT team invades a party,
Extract;
"Only then did masked figures with guns storm the crowd, shouting, “Get on the #ing ground! Get down, get down!” (I document the basic details of what happened in my story, in this week’s magazine, about the police’s use and abuse of civil-asset-forfeiture laws.) Some forty Detroit police officers dressed in commando gear ordered the gallery attendees to line up on their knees, then took their car keys and confiscated their vehicles, largely on the grounds that the gallery lacked the proper permits for dancing and drinking. (More than forty cars were seized, and owners paid around a thousand dollars each to get them back.) “I was so scared,” Wong told me. At first, she thought the raid was an armed robbery. “Out of the corner of my eye, I could see Paul getting kicked in the face.” In the dimly lit security footage, the scene looks like something out of a thriller about Navy SEALs. Paul said, “I was scared for my life.”

The author here is the same author for the OP's story. Given that I now know the fierce legal debate about civil forfeitures, I see nothing to disbelieve this story.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 05:58 PM
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Not saying that there isn't a lot of corruption going on but I just have to ask why there seems to be so much cash going through there. I would have thought people, like Mr Morrow on his way to get some dental work done, would get a cashier's check from their bank if they were withdrawing that much. Cash, when lost or stolen is not replaceable while most money instruments can at least have a stop and re-issue put on them for a small fee as long as you have the receipt for it and fill out the proper forms. Even the USPS sells them fairly cheaply.

USPS Money Orders

I am always amazed by the number of folks who have lost thousands while "travelling". A little more money smarts could save a lot of headache, unless of course, these people were lying to the police.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by evc1shop
Not saying that there isn't a lot of corruption going on but I just have to ask why there seems to be so much cash going through there. I would have thought people, like Mr Morrow on his way to get some dental work done, would get a cashier's check from their bank if they were withdrawing that much. Cash, when lost or stolen is not replaceable while most money instruments can at least have a stop and re-issue put on them for a small fee as long as you have the receipt for it and fill out the proper forms. Even the USPS sells them fairly cheaply.

USPS Money Orders

I am always amazed by the number of folks who have lost thousands while "travelling". A little more money smarts could save a lot of headache, unless of course, these people were lying to the police.



$3,900?

Who gets a cashiers check to go to the dentist? The only way you "lose" $3,900 is if it gets stolen.


The police are out right stealing people's possessions and hard earned money just for carrying it.


WHAT?

How does this continue to happen?



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by evc1shop
Not saying that there isn't a lot of corruption going on but I just have to ask why there seems to be so much cash going through there. I would have thought people, like Mr Morrow on his way to get some dental work done, would get a cashier's check from their bank if they were withdrawing that much. Cash, when lost or stolen is not replaceable while most money instruments can at least have a stop and re-issue put on them for a small fee as long as you have the receipt for it and fill out the proper forms. Even the USPS sells them fairly cheaply.

USPS Money Orders

I am always amazed by the number of folks who have lost thousands while "travelling". A little more money smarts could save a lot of headache, unless of course, these people were lying to the police.



Not everyplace will take a money order and if you are going to buy something there are times when the price is not fixed and can be negotiated lower; in that case, cash speaks louder than most anything else...The whole point of the thread is what can happen under the present system and those in power who take advantage of it.....Cash for your kids to stay out of CPS custody...OK sounds reasonable ...not!



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:46 PM
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The stupid thing is ....... the thing that kills a little peice of my mind on a daily basis ..... you guys could stop all of this if you put as much effort into legal action as you do on this website .

Seriously , laws are being broken , rights violated ..... but all people do is moan . Now there`s no need for all of that protesting crap , we`ve seen how you`ll be branded a homegrown terrorist for voicing your opinion on the streets .... the only real way to deal with these people is with words on paper , law , their law .

If most of the people on this side of the planet actually cared about what is happening , actually wanted to change it , all of this crap wouldn`t be happening right now . The problem is people are far too comfortable in their houses , with their electricity , and gas , and gadgets , and prepacked food , and mass produced bits of plastic and scrap metal ........ i`m tired of it all personally , i feel like Winston Smith ... weak and beaten into a life i don`t want or need .

And as for all of that redcoats crap , i think it`s about time Americans lost this trashy G.I Joe attitude .... its exactly what they want you to do ... blame somebody else .. all the better if you blame the British huh ?



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by evc1shop
Not saying that there isn't a lot of corruption going on but I just have to ask why there seems to be so much cash going through there. I would have thought people, like Mr Morrow on his way to get some dental work done, would get a cashier's check from their bank if they were withdrawing that much. Cash, when lost or stolen is not replaceable while most money instruments can at least have a stop and re-issue put on them for a small fee as long as you have the receipt for it and fill out the proper forms. Even the USPS sells them fairly cheaply.

USPS Money Orders

I am always amazed by the number of folks who have lost thousands while "travelling". A little more money smarts could save a lot of headache, unless of course, these people were lying to the police.



I regularly troll auctions. Its cash works best EVERYWHERE DUDE!! that guy selling whatever it is will sell for less if it is CASH.. whether cars, musical instruments, farm implements, ANYTHING!!

Plus I also regularly go on a CASINO binge.. carrying under 20k cash isn't that uncommon. Viejas, Morongo, Valley View, Pala, etc.. Heck, I don't even have to fly to Vegas anymore..lol

And , since when would anyone justify to a anyone why you are carrying your own MONEY..??

this flabbergasts me!! as a teen, part of my plan of keeping my nose clean was to have money some day. And I always wanted to be ablt to walk around with a lot of money on me, It is a RUSH.. to me anyway.

Its fun having 8,000 bucks in the wallet.. try it. just make sure you leave the casino with most of it.

Players know why.. the more you get In chips, the more registers on your member cards. You get more privs, comps, etc... I even get coupons every month to near a dozen casinos in socal for 20-50-100 bucks in free money to gamble with. Free meal coupons!! steak, shrimp, crab legs, etc.

I usually hit a casino once/twice a week. up week--$500 to $3,000 when lucky
down week -- if I lose a $200 2 days in a row, I go to another casino.

point is. my money.. shouldn't need to justify to anyone!



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 11:42 PM
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I hear you on the it's your money thing. I guess I was surprised to hear that so many folks are just out and about with large sums of cash like that when you hear about so many robberies, muggings, car-jacking and so on.
I can certainly see the advantages you've pointed out and it would certainly be nice if people in these circumstances where they have been stopped for whatever reason, could just answer the police with a simple "I don't have to answer that" when asked why they have it.

You are correct, it shouldn't matter and people shouldn't have to answer for their own property. Imagine if everyone just told the police that it was simply their life savings as they did not have faith in the banking systems anymore. That should prevent any further questioning but you know the police are just itching to take that from them and so they go down the assumed guilty of something path. They probably have a failure to bank with big brother law to go along with it, too.

I am certainly not saying that people shouldn't carry large sums of their own money, even if the police will make them out to be a mule of sorts, I was just a little naïve in thinking that people don't carry bankrolls around anymore with all the debit/credit out there now.



posted on Aug, 10 2013 @ 01:20 AM
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The huge irony here is i am heading to a dentist with some cash here
soon, i have been saving for two years to get this dental work done,
i am hopefully in no danger though as i don't think we have similar
laws where i live, but this is just insane......

Here is hoping they don't um catch me for going to get dental work
done with cash! oh heaven to betsey what a world. Darn criminals
carrying around money, i mean what normal person would use
cash right? ugh.



posted on Aug, 10 2013 @ 01:35 AM
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Listen to yourselves - elites want a cashless society - and people to be fighting against eachother and authority figures.

We are so close to the end - it's not even funny.

We have become Mexico with its phoney police "bribery" laws.

Good thing they're going to pass amnesty soon.

This is just another brick in the wall, as far as they're concerned.

The gov't is going to come up with some whacked out plan to confiscate gold and silver - you just wait and see.
edit on 10-8-2013 by Happy1 because: (no reason given)



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