Why so much hatred towards Pagans?

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by Schillinger

 

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
Pagans are failed Satanists.

And failed christens

And failed spellers.

I must live under a rock--unless you are strictly speaking about the reception here on ATS--I have not seen any "hatred".

Pagan simply means 'A person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions."

Many many people fall into this category.

IMO it's the "main world religions" that hate, period. Pagan doesn't enter the equation at all.

The problem with this thread is you cannot have one religion or system of beliefs critique another. It is insanity. Especially coming from a Christian or any other of the monotheistic western religions. They denounce human sacrifice yet are willing to kill anyone who won't join them.

Paganism is about a connection to earth and many other different states/realms of being threw multitudes of rituals around the world... group chanting, orgiastic community rituals, rituals of psychedelic and ordeal inducing plants and a host of other ways to achieve what they are seaking out. Human sacrifice is hardly part of paganism today, I may include with that statement that "paganism" is a term that could be used to include any type of sacrafice from any group of people so believe what you may.

In my opinion There is some merit to the western idea of a creator but in 7 days? In "his" image? Impregnated a virgin with "his" son? Who happens to be "him" aswell? Lets just say I'd rather not know then keep spreading that crap around.

It has more to do with direct consious experience, that's where the meat of the fajita is, and I think that is where most westerners understanding of "paganism" falls short.

Although i went to a christian school and was taught how god was love, how his son died for our sins, and that we should believe in him because he watches over us.
Well if there was any truth to this, he did forsaken me, and so i left the idea at an early age that there was any truth in what my teachers said, there wasn't.
Proud to be pagan, it is not a religion, far from it, just a name for those who were not converted to christianity yet.
Apart from christmas, also other pagan celebrations were Christianized, like samhain which is now known as all saints, or is celebrated as halloween.
The natural explanation of this is, while nature goes to sleep and life draws back, deep into mother earth, the seeds that carry the promise of tomorrows life within them, lie under a blanket of rotten remains of old life, awaiting the rise of the new born sun which will climb the heaven and bring new life.
That is the veil between life and dead.

reply to post by Schillinger


The contradiction you see is a type of paradox that simply needs an excluded middle to be understood. For example, if a train engineer and a friend argue that the pitch of the train whistle changed, who is right? The engineer travels with the whistle and says it does not change pitch. The friend hears the train go by each day and says it does change. Who is right? Well, you and I know the excluded middle. The Doppler Effect tells us that both are correct and that frame of reference and perspective makes the difference. Your question of religion and paganism is simply a value of truth. What is truth? Do you believe I can both show you truth and show you proof of God at the same time?

AMN is Hebrew for AMEN. AMN is Aleph, Mem, Nun. It is the Hebrew word for TRUE.

AMT is Aleph Mem Tav - TRUTH

MT is Mem Tav - Death. If you take God (Aleph) out of Truth, you get Death.

AB is Aleph Bet - Father (Alphabet / DNA)

AM is Aleph Mem - Mother

BN is Bet Nun - Son

Here is where you simply need the excluded told to you to see the truth.

Aleph is Strong
Mem is Water
Nun is Seed
Bet is House

Here is your excluded middle.

Father is Aleph Bet (Alphabet) LETTERS, or Strength of the House

Son is Bet Nun (House of DNA), or House of Seed

Mother is Aleph Mem (Strength of the Water)

The Word Truth is Aleph (Strength) Bet (House) Nun (Seed)

If the Father is the Alphabet (letters) and the Son is the Word (Son of God) and House of the Seed, then what is the seed?

DNA

Why is Paganism a bad thing? Pagans form the cornerstone of their faith on taking from God and nature. God's will is to give and for us to receive. When we take, we become a thief.

What do we take when we take from the tree of knowledge? Technology. What do we take when we attempt to take from the tree of life? DNA manipulation.

Book of Jasher 4

18 And their judges and rulers went to the daughters of men and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice, and the sons of men in those days took from the cattle of the earth, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other, in order therewith to provoke the Lord; and God saw the whole earth and it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon earth, all men and all animals.

Genesis 6

6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

What were they doing? TAKING!

Genesis 3 is the story of mankind choosing to take knowledge and God showing them that suffering and toil comes from this path. Where does the pleasant path come from? Receiving from God and walking in that light. Walking with God is abiding in HIS will. That will is to give and receive (Altruism). The path of the thief is Objectivism (Ayn Rand).

Compare the Pagan Philosophy against that of Christ:

Aliester Crowley (OTO Masonry) said, ""Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"

Jesus said, "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." Matt 7:12

Which reflects the will of God to give?

How about this example:

Freemasons meet in secret, hide their knowledge and you must be recommended to join. Your acknowledgement of oath is by private associations for gain in business, finance and government. PRIVATE! KEEP OUT!

In the church, there are no secrets, the doors are open to anyone and you join by acknowledging the will of God in your life. WELCOME. ALL MAY COME.

You now know the excluded middle. The Father of the DNA Letters is God, and the WORD he creates is the Son of God (Christ and You and Me and anyone else who embraces the Chief Cornerstone). The Pagans are the Sons of Cain.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

The sons of Cain call it their missing word. God says it is HIS word and that it cannot be taken as a thief. Who do you suspect is right? The author of the word or the ones trying to thieve (MoneyChangers, Experts in the Law, High Priests, Masons)? In the Bible, the Pagan builders are called the Builders (Masons) who reject the Chief Cornerstone. That Cornerstone is giving.

the bible has been re written about 5 times over the centuries so who knows what was they missed when changing over from one tongue to another .

and did they bring a story of two brothers and mix it into one to give you jesus christ but a lot of lies have been told about pagans over the course of time but it is where the kristians got traditions from and angels they got them from somewhere else try babalon everything is borrowed .

The pagans were and are closer to the divine because they live in and with divine nature, they have no religion or rules to live by.
But they have virtues like harmony and respect for all life on mother earth.
Compare that with our world today which we have transformed into a market place in which there is hunger and poverty, in which some metals and minerals became more valued than the fruit of mother earth or the well being of her children.
Now ask yourself, who is the taker.

reply to post by Schillinger


Christianity is a form of paganism, because it worships human. Jesus Christ and his mother peace be upon them, as idols and a cross which is an idol. IN comparison the only difference between the to idol worshiping religion is that paganism is complete idol worshiping while Christianity has parts of monotheism

reply to post by earthling42

harmony and respect? they slaughtered animals, women, children only to please inanimate objects or creations.

Originally posted by DuecesxGeneral
reply to post by earthling42

 

harmony and respect? they slaughtered animals, women, children only to please inanimate objects or creations.

edit on 9-8-2013 by DuecesxGeneral because: (no reason given)

what and the hebrews were peace loving read some old testement or what about the crusades all peace and love there

reply to post by DuecesxGeneral


It is known that the aztecs were sacrificing humans on a big scale, they had a religion and made sacrifices to their sungod, mostly in a cruel way, as did the maya's and inca's.
And yes children were among the sacrificed.
The greeks and romans said their ancestors sacrificed humans to in fertility rituals.

From the teutons it is said they sacrificed to odin, in sweden untill the 11th century.
Not a nice view of the past, but they were not just slaughtering women and children for fun, it had a purpose.
Lucky for us, we have grown wiser and know now that the only sacrifice we can bring is our time, because that is truly the only thing we have to offer.

reply to post by Schillinger


All major current religions (Christianity, Islam. Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism) are heavily influenced by pagan beliefs and incorporate many pagan beliefs.

Just the fact that you have a "house of worship" and "statues" or "idols" proves you have borrowed from pagan beliefs.

Other pagan beliefs are sacrificing animals and humans to "gods". Many Christians (specially Catholics) engage in such practices secretly, a carryover from Roman time. Muslims sacrifice a goat to their god every year. Jews have established practice of sacrificing animals in their temples. Some Hindus (not all) sacrifice animals to their gods. Buddhists are generally pacifists but their are variants (Tibetan) who have ritual sacrifice.

Eating meat and drinking wine after expressing gratitude to god is itself a pagan tradition. (something Christians do on Christmas and perhaps everyday).

Originally posted by earthling42
reply to post by DuecesxGeneral

 

It is known that the aztecs were sacrificing humans on a big scale, they had a religion and made sacrifices to their sungod, mostly in a cruel way, as did the maya's and inca's.
And yes children were among the sacrificed.
The greeks and romans said their ancestors sacrificed humans to in fertility rituals.

From the teutons it is said they sacrificed to odin, in sweden untill the 11th century.
Not a nice view of the past, but they were not just slaughtering women and children for fun, it had a purpose.
Lucky for us, we have grown wiser and know now that the only sacrifice we can bring is our time, because that is truly the only thing we have to offer.

Wiser? You really believe that.

Every 1 out of 7 murders in America is related to ritual sacrifice.

"Satanism" is still rampant in America.

And let me throw more light here - gays, lesbians, child molestation, prostitution, slavery, drug addiction - all are symptoms of satanism.

and lets not forget that the christians built over the pagan religious sites nothing going on there eh move along nothing to see

and lets not forget that the christians built over the pagan religious sites nothing going on there eh move along nothing to see

reply to post by earthling42


The only reason pagans have any sense of good is because the media, government and our neighbors portray the good norm, if suddenly times got really tough, if it was a dog eat dog world what would happen? what code would pagans live by.

reply to post by GargIndia


So what happens to the goat after its been slaughtered on the holy day of Eid?

reply to post by DuecesxGeneral


What will happen to you when you die? Same with goat.

reply to post by GargIndia


in pagan rituals

Sigh... Christians are not the big bad wolf, out to get everyone else. And as for Pagans... no one hates them anymore than other religions hate one another.

If anything, Christians and Jews are the ones on the "hatred hot seat" right now.

Hell... Jews always have been.

I don't hate Pagans. I don't care for them either. They're just people.

There's always gonna be conflict between different factions, don't get hung up on it.

Focus on living the contrary.