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posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
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Your link is broken.

As far as the conversation we are engaged in presently, I did not table the word "schizophrenia" - you did. My assertion is that there are a variety of conditions, injuries, and illnesses that can cause symptoms like hearing voices or delusional thinking.

Having said that, I never went so far as to make an accusation of delusion. I merely tabled the possibility.

For what it's worth - simply suggesting that you are not in the typical age range associated with dissociative disorders is not diagnostically relevant. Atypical presentation means "not typical" and is still a very strong possibility. My only hope would be that anyone hearing voices entertain the potential for more pedestrian explanations than psychotronic attack.

You argue that you are a middle aged housewife as if that might preclude you somehow from the potential of illness or injury. I ask that you reverse that logic and ask why DARPA would target such a person? Surely there must be a very poignant and pressing cause... Something other than the fact that you may have Googled some suspected key words or posted opinionated statements online - as there are millions, if not billions of people who have done such things, and more... and never suffered such "attacks".

Again, I apologize if you are taking these statements as judgment or on a personal level. They are not intended to be such at all. They are merely the application of Occams razor to a tabled discussion.


Further engaging of the user Tetra50, as I see what it is becoming could ruin the thread. I might not have specified it in the beginning, but the thread was intended for the ones having such experiences of in the known that such devices exist. With all the respect that I owe you, if you wish only to rebuke Tetra50 and prove him wrong, such statements are far from being welcome in the thread.



Thruthseek3r
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posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:25 PM
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Do you not see the entrenched thinking involved in simply dismissing anyone who disagrees with you as either woefully uninformed or deliberately obfuscating?

Again, flatly refusing to entertain any explanation other than the one you are emotionally led to believing is highly contrary to reason.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:26 PM
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You cannot table a one sided discussion on ATS. If you wish to do so, I suggest creating a blog.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:31 PM
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Gotcha, yes indeed, there are many layers and the whole rfid angle is merely one angle.

In my case, I bought a bug detector and discovered the "transmitter" or simply put, I discovered that I was "bugged" with an implant. Working on deactivating it though, and this is the difficult part which is why I too want to obtain some information.

Originally after graduating from college I was setting out to work in the field of activism opposing torture and the like. And then 9/11 happened, and I got this. Go figure.. you don't think this is all ironic? It's virtually comical it's so obvious.

Some individuals are experimentees, other individuals are clearly gov. targets.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by tetra50
 


Your link is broken.

As far as the conversation we are engaged in presently, I did not table the word "schizophrenia" - you did. My assertion is that there are a variety of conditions, injuries, and illnesses that can cause symptoms like hearing voices or delusional thinking.

Having said that, I never went so far as to make an accusation of delusion. I merely tabled the possibility.

For what it's worth - simply suggesting that you are not in the typical age range associated with dissociative disorders is not diagnostically relevant. Atypical presentation means "not typical" and is still a very strong possibility. My only hope would be that anyone hearing voices entertain the potential for more pedestrian explanations than psychotronic attack.

You argue that you are a middle aged housewife as if that might preclude you somehow from the potential of illness or injury. I ask that you reverse that logic and ask why DARPA would target such a person? Surely there must be a very poignant and pressing cause... Something other than the fact that you may have Googled some suspected key words or posted opinionated statements online - as there are millions, if not billions of people who have done such things, and more... and never suffered such "attacks".

Again, I apologize if you are taking these statements as judgment or on a personal level. They are not intended to be such at all. They are merely the application of Occams razor to a tabled discussion.


I absolutely deplore people invoking Occam's Razor, not understanding fully what that means, for you are misusing it here.

What makes you think I have not exhausted all medical and mental possibilities? We have not even discussed that. And, that, my friend, betrays your bias.

There are very good reasons why I have suffered such; I just do not share them with you, as 1] it's none of your business, and 2] knowing that would put you at a dangerous disadvantage. But your all encompassing doubt betrays your bias......

I thought more of you than that. I have provided your with DOD sources, and still, you go on with your denial.
Yes, I brought up schizophrenia, because that is the logical conclusion to "hearing voices," though I never claimed to have suffered that. It's way beyond that. But you went there on your own, without questioning further, such as proving your bias.

Good luck with that. You are a perpetuating force for what many suffer from. And I thought more of you than that.
Tetra
Don't think you belittle me with your way with words or illogical logic. I have provided you with DOD sources.....
You still put it down to belittling of mental illness, playing games with words, and aiding and abetting those who perpetrate crimes against the populace, blaming the victims, without doing your own reserach. Good luck with that, when it comes home to roost in your own head.....

Sorry, Truthseeker. I will leave your thread now.
Respectfully,
Tetra50



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by thruthseek3r
 


You cannot table a one sided discussion on ATS. If you wish to do so, I suggest creating a blog.


What a cop out......for someone who defends another and disagrees wtih you. I would have thought more of you than that.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:38 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by thruthseek3r
 


Do you not see the entrenched thinking involved in simply dismissing anyone who disagrees with you as either woefully uninformed or deliberately obfuscating?

Again, flatly refusing to entertain any explanation other than the one you are emotionally led to believing is highly contrary to reason.


So sad, given evidence to the contrary, that is your estimation here. For you are truly blinded, and using illogical thinking to back it up. We don't agree with you, so therefore, we are wrong.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by thruthseek3r
 


Do you not see the entrenched thinking involved in simply dismissing anyone who disagrees with you as either woefully uninformed or deliberately obfuscating?

Again, flatly refusing to entertain any explanation other than the one you are emotionally led to believing is highly contrary to reason.


It isn't emotional. We've provided you with many credible sources. Look in the mirror, as to who is being emotional, and reactionary in their rejection of everything they are presented with. Who, here, shows the bias?
I wonder.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:49 PM
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Again, I apologize if you are taking these statements as judgment or on a personal level. They are not intended to be such at all. They are merely the application of Occams razor to a tabled discussion.


And again, you are misusing Occam's Razor. Taking it personally? I've been providing you sources. What have you been doing? Arguing with nothing to back you up but the misuse of logic, and your obvious bias to reject what you wish to not believe. Where are your sources?
Tetra

Yes, I do take it personally, as you have commented personally, and not done the required research to do so, but responding out of obvious bias. Thought more of you than that.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by thruthseek3r
 


Do you not see the entrenched thinking involved in simply dismissing anyone who disagrees with you as either woefully uninformed or deliberately obfuscating?

Again, flatly refusing to entertain any explanation other than the one you are emotionally led to believing is highly contrary to reason.


Contrary to reason.. hmm

Hi Heff, I noticed earlier in the week that you had started a thread concerning stigmatization of person's suffering from various orders "dis-orders." You had mentioned a few of the dis-"orders" that you personally had. And If I am not mistaken, you have 5 mental health disorders. You must place an awful lot of faith in the MH psychiatric industry to have accepted all of these. Is that reasonable?

Is it possible that in your case, the medical industry is possibly wrong about your dis-"orders?" And does your emotional attachment or emotional dependency then on the medical industry cause you to denounce and refuse any and all alternative possibilities.. Do you think that is reasonable?

The weapons are very real, and many, many, people are being subjected to them.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:51 PM
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So very telling to me. All I've done is table the idea that there are far more logical conclusions than being the victim of psychometric warfare. In response a series of escalations have occurred where civility is out of the window, an attempt to silence all opinions other than those who agree blindly with the OP was made, and now the insults and personal shots sink in.

All because I dared suggest that some grand hyper tech conspiracy was not the most likely explanation for hearing voices.

As for the personal statements? If you feel let down that I do not think selective psychotronic attack of random citizens is the most likely explanation for hearing voices - then you obviously had the wrong impression of me to begin with. I am not in the habit of enabling irrationality.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide

So very telling to me. All I've done is table the idea that there are far more logical conclusions than being the victim of psychometric warfare. In response a series of escalations have occurred where civility is out of the window, an attempt to silence all opinions other than those who agree blindly with the OP was made, and now the insults and personal shots sink in.

All because I dared suggest that some grand hyper tech conspiracy was not the most likely explanation for hearing voices.

As for the personal statements? If you feel let down that I do not think selective psychotronic attack of random citizens is the most likely explanation for hearing voices - then you obviously had the wrong impression of me to begin with. I am not in the habit of enabling irrationality.



Who spoke about hearing voices, Heff? Certainly not I......but that's where YOU took it....
It's much more and less than that....but you cannot even get off your own bias to entertain the thought that wasn't even what was being discussed here. More's the pity. For you missed the whole point altogether. I never, for one, spoke about hearing voices. That was YOUR extrapolation.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:58 PM
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And by the way, Heff, while we're at it: if those weapons don't exist and are used on people, why did they outlaw them in the early '70's. Do some research. It exists, it's real, and I gave you DOD references in protecting troops in battlefield positions to authenticate it. Get a grip.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:58 PM
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Hi again,

It seems as though some people have an emotional investment in the medical establishment and it's institutions. It is difficult and challenging to discuss modern day scientific technological warfare and to not observe the medical establisment's complicity and collaboration with this scientific=technological warfare and tyranny. If you cannot see that, then you are truly endangering yourself and your ability to have keener political foresight. The future is all control- and the medical establishment will surely have a hand in it.
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posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 10:03 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide

So very telling to me. All I've done is table the idea that there are far more logical conclusions than being the victim of psychometric warfare. In response a series of escalations have occurred where civility is out of the window, an attempt to silence all opinions other than those who agree blindly with the OP was made, and now the insults and personal shots sink in.

All because I dared suggest that some grand hyper tech conspiracy was not the most likely explanation for hearing voices.

As for the personal statements? If you feel let down that I do not think selective psychotronic attack of random citizens is the most likely explanation for hearing voices - then you obviously had the wrong impression of me to begin with. I am not in the habit of enabling irrationality.



Hi Heff, I'm just going to pose the question and I sincerely do not mean this as an impolite one so you can let me know if it's offensive in any way: just my sincerety here and I hope it's not mis taken. If I may, do you by chance hear voices?

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posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 10:08 PM
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And I am not in the habit of enabling misinformation.....having source aplenty......
Who, in this thread, talked about hearing voice anyway? Becaue the tech we're discussing has very little to do, if anything, with "hearing voices," and that just betrays your bias as to the subject matter. Please, before replying anymore to this thread about psychotronic weaponry, which there are laws against, do some reserach as to what that really means and entails, cause hearing voices is the least of it, and if you were speaking from a position of knowledge about that, you wouldn't even bring that up.. And I sincerely hope, in this regard and subject matter,. you are hearing voices other than your own illogical ones.....
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posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by tetra50

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by thruthseek3r
 


You cannot table a one sided discussion on ATS. If you wish to do so, I suggest creating a blog.


What a cop out......for someone who defends another and disagrees wtih you. I would have thought more of you than that.


How about if you take a look at what I actually just wrote here:


"In my case, I bought a bug detector and discovered the "transmitter" or simply put, I discovered that I was "bugged" with an implant. Working on deactivating it though, and this is the difficult part which is why I too want to obtain some information.

Originally after graduating from college I was setting out to work in the field of activism opposing torture and the like. And then 9/11 happened, and I got this. Go figure.. you don't think this is all ironic? It's virtually comical it's so obvious.

Some individuals are experimentees, other individuals are clearly gov. targets."

So my question to you Tetra is, how does one deactivate a bug implant? Send me a message if you happen to have any information about it all..



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by thruthseek3r
 


Do you not see the entrenched thinking involved in simply dismissing anyone who disagrees with you as either woefully uninformed or deliberately obfuscating?

Again, flatly refusing to entertain any explanation other than the one you are emotionally led to believing is highly contrary to reason.


I will say it again, the thread was not intended to prove or disprove anything but to find answers a problem which is known to be real by the one who are experiencing it, period. I do not wish to be rude, but you truly are ruining the thread by the attitude you bring into it.



Thruthseek3r



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by tetra50

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by thruthseek3r
 


Do you not see the entrenched thinking involved in simply dismissing anyone who disagrees with you as either woefully uninformed or deliberately obfuscating?

Again, flatly refusing to entertain any explanation other than the one you are emotionally led to believing is highly contrary to reason.


It isn't emotional. We've provided you with many credible sources. Look in the mirror, as to who is being emotional, and reactionary in their rejection of everything they are presented with. Who, here, shows the bias?
I wonder.


I told you Tetra they would not listen, it is a waste of time arguing with them and arguing by the way was not even the goal of the thread but finding solution if you know what I mean.

Thruthseek3r



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide

So very telling to me. All I've done is table the idea that there are far more logical conclusions than being the victim of psychometric warfare. In response a series of escalations have occurred where civility is out of the window, an attempt to silence all opinions other than those who agree blindly with the OP was made, and now the insults and personal shots sink in.

All because I dared suggest that some grand hyper tech conspiracy was not the most likely explanation for hearing voices.

As for the personal statements? If you feel let down that I do not think selective psychotronic attack of random citizens is the most likely explanation for hearing voices - then you obviously had the wrong impression of me to begin with. I am not in the habit of enabling irrationality.



The thing is that the ones targeted were very specifically chosen as they represent a threat to the present establishment, the current reign of terror, but can we blame someone who wishes to fight tyranny? I consider myself such a threat to a certain extent because if I were to prove many of the things I am aware of, many people would rage to have the perpetrators to be hanged as this is a big crime against humanity in a very devious manner, what a shame!!!


Thuthseek3r



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