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Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by StalkerSolent
But on the converse, wouldn't getting rid of atheism get rid of Stalin and Mao and other atheistic murderers who are not lunatics? (And by lunatics I mean certifiably insane. Being a mass murderer does not make one insane.) If you think about it, (organized/large scale) atheism hasn't had as long of a record as religion; I don't see it's record thus far as being particularly impressive.
Sadly, this is natural. We can't get away from tyranny, domination, oppression. and have to deal with it all the time. The acts caused by religion are not natural and can be done away with if humans came to the conclusion that there are no gods.
Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
Originally posted by jiggerj
4. After 6,000 years of worshiping a desert god this world is in worse shape than if a god had never been invented.
Please don't attempt to offer other things, like saying, Yeah, but Jesus died on the cross for our sins. If you can't address the four points posted then you'll just derail this thread.
That is quite a big claim without any supporting evidence . . .
It would have been more logical to have provided peer reviewed research to support your bold opinion.
You sure make a LOT of these threads and from what I gather you have no actual experience in the technical or scientific professional world while attempting to push your ideology of science.
You likely are experiencing feelings of insecurity because you do not understand the concept and can not accept its existence as a result.
You should really seek help.
-FBB
I'll go easy on you because your arrogance suggests you are very young. First, attack a topic, not the member.
Secondly, let's say only two bad events of equal tragedy have occurred throughout all of human history.
1. One atheist lunatic sets off a bomb killing three thousand. Why? Because he's a lunatic.
2. Two Muslims fly planes into the Twin Towers, killing three thousand. Why, because they believe that Allah will reward them in heaven.
Now, if Allah had never been invented the terrorists would not have committed this heinous act. This makes the world fifty percent better without this god.
Now, if we take away all the gods, then we're talking about no Christian Crusades, no Muslim Crusades, no Spanish inquisition, the Middle East would be a hell of lot better off today.
We can't stop lunatics, but we can certainly do without gods.
Originally posted by jiggerj
1. No miracle has ever caused a lost limb to grow back.
2. Claiming that the universe is proof of a god is the same as claiming that a forest fire is proof of an arsonist. The universe in not proof.
3. The ten commandments are nothing more than common sense laws (Well, except for the ones that are self serving to a god) laws that were already in place in Egypt and China.
4. After 6,000 years of worshiping a desert god this world is in worse shape than if a god had never been invented.
Please don't attempt to offer other things, like saying, Yeah, but Jesus died on the cross for our sins. If you can't address the four points posted then you'll just derail this thread.
Originally posted by OneManArmy
Originally posted by jiggerj
The acts caused by religion are not natural and can be done away with if humans came to the conclusion that there are no gods.
I think you are wrong here, the USSR had no god.... they murdered 61 million people, stalin taking credit for 41 million of those. Without gods, psychopathic narcissists attribute their crazy power trips to some other ideology.
Mankind does bad things regardless of gods. Gods are simply an easy scapegoat.edit on 10-8-2013 by OneManArmy because: (no reason given)
reply to post by StalkerSolent
So essentially when atheists do things in the name of man, it is natural human depravity, but when religious people do things in the name of God, it's unnatural? Double standard. Religion has been used as a lever throughout history to manipulate people, but when it is replaced, something else comes in to fill the void. And as an aside, what makes you so certain religion is unnatural?
Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by OneManArmy
Originally posted by jiggerj
The acts caused by religion are not natural and can be done away with if humans came to the conclusion that there are no gods.
I think you are wrong here, the USSR had no god.... they murdered 61 million people, stalin taking credit for 41 million of those. Without gods, psychopathic narcissists attribute their crazy power trips to some other ideology.
Mankind does bad things regardless of gods. Gods are simply an easy scapegoat.edit on 10-8-2013 by OneManArmy because: (no reason given)
Oh I quite agree. Getting rid of gods would be one less scapegoat.
reply to post by JiggyPotamus
It all depends on how you look at things.
I doubt you will take my advice, but I will give it anyway...Instead of spending any time attempting to convince others that their beliefs are wrong, why don't you do something productive,
reply to post by ctophil
1. Why do you claim that this miracle has not occurred? There were Masters in the past who did regrow limbs. All things are made of energy, which can be manipulated into ANY form by your mind and recreated. Just think about that for a moment.
2. You are proof in itself that there is a God.
Originally posted by jiggerj
It can't be a double standard if religion has no valid reason to exist. Religion is the outcome of the child-like awe of things we didn't understand in the past: earthquakes, hurricanes...
Originally posted by OneManArmy
Originally posted by StalkerSolent
I can think of very few things that serve no purpose at all.
The human appendix comes to mind.
Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by JiggyPotamus
It all depends on how you look at things.
No. The truth for one is the truth for all, or it is not the truth. At some point early man faced a hurricane and said, "A god is doing that." Somebody considered the bubonic plague and said, "A god is punishing us." Now we look at the universe and some are trying to say, "A god created it."
The common thread here is that early man couldn't possibly know how the weather worked, couldn't possibly know about viruses in the microscopic world, can't possibly know how the universe was created. Throughout history all ignorant conclusions about gods have been proven incorrect. Why would it be any different today?
At some point early man faced a hurricane and said, "A god is doing that." Somebody considered the bubonic plague and said, "A god is punishing us."
This argument is flawed. If a God created the universe, a God created that weather phenomena and the virus that caused the plague. Being able to see the mechanisms that answer how lends no credence to any answer regarding why.
Originally posted by GodIsRelative
reply to post by jiggerj
I think it's just that you're constantly shifting your point so you don't ever feel defeated.
You said "All ignorant conclusions made about God have been proven wrong."
Where exactly did you provide an example of that?