posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 12:55 PM
Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
Now you are just providing a distraction away from the REAL debate.
The real debate has nowhere to go and nothing to discuss if the OP and sources for fact presented by you are not credible. I took one stat from your
many quoted ones. You dedicated a post to stating Tobacco isn't addictive. So, that was a perfectly fair one to isolate on the purpose of
establishing your methods and hence,. credibility to keep debating with.
This debate is not about quitting methods. The paper I provided proves that the steepest decline in smoking happened BEFORE smoking cessations
aids became available.
I didn't claim smoking wasn't addictive and use 58% rates of cold turkey success to support the point. You did.
And for some reason - you keep saying that I am claiming something. I am not. I am merely reporting what the medical community and the
surgeon general is saying.
When you make a statement in a post that is of a factual nature (A statistic is, on it's face, a fact. It exists or it doesn't. It can be supported
or it cannot be. Nothing subjective about it) and you haven't attributed that fact to someone else as the 3rd party source? YOU are then making the
statement. Presumably by your own research, education from that and grasp of the facts over all. That is how it's said YOU claimed ...vs.. a sourced
And you keep ignoring it. Obviously, you don't wish to consider the facts. Funny thing though. You can bring every study going back to the
1950s. Hell - go back more than 100 years if you want to.
I find the whole thread to be disingenuous. Not that it cannot BE true, perhaps. However, it's contradicting accepted medical knowledge. So, the
burden of disproving conventional wisdom is on you....not everyone else to prove otherwise.
Challenge common knowledge? Then show how it's commonly wrong ...and the more solid the challenge, the steeper the burden of proof. That shouldn't
be hard to work with.
But here is the thing about studies. They are LIMITED. They don't always reflect the real world.
FACTS in the REAL WORLD
1. The incidence of oral-pharangeal cancer is RISING
2. The incidence of smoking has been decreasing for decades
3. Oral sex is not new (not to mention that HPV can be contracted by kissing by the way)
4. HPV is not a 'new" virus
These are not MY facts. These are the facts of the medical community. Go ahead, find a study that proves that these facts are NOT true
Tired of Control Freaks
I've already caught you in a lie on this thread. (The 58% you pulled out of thin air) The burden of proving the above facts wrong in either raw
numbers or causation isn't on me or anyone else. It's on you to prove beyond the reasonable doubts of your audience. It's on the OP to show that a
story is, in fact, correct in the face of medical data which says otherwise.
So far, that burden of proof seems woefully short of being met ...to be as generous as I can possibly be in stretching terms on something. Sadly,
it's on a topic people are still getting sick and dying from on a daily basis.