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Obama cancels meeting with Russia

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posted on Aug, 7 2013 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by ValentineWiggin

Originally posted by suz62
You know, we're bad Americans because we're laughing at our own president. That says something about the quality of our politicians. When did America lose its testicles?


America didn't, I'm starting to think Obama might have though. I have never seen nor heard of a president acting so unprofessional and petty. Ive heard a lot say some really stupid crap, but when there is a huge terror crisis or worldwide travel alert you address the nation officially on television in the afternoon where everyone can see it. You don't do it at almost midnight with Jay Leno weaving important questions with questions about his grey hair.


Hey, don't worry, it's casual...

As long as we're scared just enough to continue with the erosion of privacy and long-standing rights, no reason to be too serious, right?




posted on Aug, 7 2013 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop
I think there's more to this than just Snowden... I doubt this is a personal move by Obama.

but its sad the way ATS and all its maturity comes out when ever there's a chance to throw mud at Obama.

Seriously.. grow up guys, this isn't the ATS I joined!


It's being reported from the Russian side as a 100% Snowden related problem.


“We are disappointed by the US administration’s decision to cancel the visit of President Obama to Moscow that was planned for the beginning of September. It is clear that the decision is related to the situation around the former intelligence agency employee Snowden – something that was created not by us,” Ushakov told reporters on Wednesday.

Source: Kremlin ‘disappointed’ Obama called off Putin talks, decision is 'Snowden-related'

That's from RT whom I generally avoid quoting because they are directly owned by the Kremlin through a larger Russian Broadcast Company. I'd say they're about the best possible for reporting Russian policy for that same reason though.



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 01:01 AM
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Originally posted by RageAgainstFascism
I think that sums it all up:

Macho Man vs. Sissy-Boy

This is why Obama had to cancel his meeting with Putin - he visited this website on his Ipad after it was sent both to Obama and Putin, simultaneously, by Snowden.



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 01:05 AM
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Wait..so Obama is going to meet with Putin even after all that's been going on? What a weak president! how embarrassing, he is going to crawl to Putin even after they have at every stop acted like cold war brutes that...

or...wait, what? sorry, misread...so he cancelled the meeting.
-checks the how to hate Obama handbook-

Right..lemme restart
Obama is cancelling a meeting with Putin. What a weak president. like Putin would care. He is an embarrassment to the office and...etc

-yawn-



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 02:54 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
If I were on the olympic team and Obama declared a boycott ... I'd say .. 'screw you' and go under a different flag. I think I remember back when one of the other boycotts happened, the athletes showed up carrying a blank flag or something .....


I think you're all wet about your claim that some US athletes went to the 1980 Olympics. US athletes protested the boycott by wearing t-shirts with pointed remarks about the boycott at the final US olympic tryouts, but that was as far as things went. Given that Bobby Fisher got in hot water for participating in some chess tournament in the USSR about that time, and stayed out of the US afterwards, there would have been consequences for athletes who had ignored the boycott. But hey, when have historical facts ever got in the way of you conservatives and your diatribes?

I do find it very interesting why people, including yourself, are now speculating about a possible US boycott of the coming Winter Olympics and that you are suggesting that the athletes should tell the president "screw you". That's mighty patriotic of you, being so respectful to the president. I'd imagine if some librul said something similar about a Republican president and some questionable foreign policy move, that many a Republican and conservative would label said librul a traitor.



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 03:17 AM
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Patriotism is not hinged on ones approval or respect of a president, to think otherwise is... I despise the unqualified bafoon of a man who thinks he is this country's president, this makes me far from unpatriotic, in fact with all truths at hand, my disapproval of this idiot makes me quite patriotic. It is patriotic to shun socialism, marxism, and fascism. Embracing thise beliefs and or this joke of a man makes you unpatriotic and quite unamerican.



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 03:29 AM
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It's Obama's handlers who canceled the meeting with Putin.Obama like every President since LBJ has been a controlled puppet the role of the President is to just pretend to be CINC and smile and shake hands that's it.Putin knows this.He's not confronting Obama he's confronting his handlers.



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 03:45 AM
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Very interesting comments in this thread; downright telling they are, with some 'Murikens siding with Putin over their own president.

As to the issue itself, i.e. the canceling of the summit between them, I have mixed feelings. Given that the two countries can't come to an accord on the apparent issues of the summit, including human rights and missile defense, and the US government is having its nosed rubbed in it concerning Snowden, does it make sense to have a summit? Summits are generally held when there are official agreements to be publicly agreed to; the actual negotiating goes on ahead of time with lower-level officials. Given that the two countries have a number of unresolved disputes, it doesn't make sense to hold a summit.

Let's look at the disputed issues (at least as far as I can make them out to be):

1) Disagreements on the implementation of a US-built missile defense system for Europe

2) Issues over human rights in Russia vis-a-vis political opponents of Putin, political dissidents, and gays

3) Disagreements over some GMO treaty involving Monsanto (Putin is against it and Obama the corporate tool is for it)

4) The issue of Russia's not handing over Snowden

5) Syria

Now as it turns out, I'm actually in accord with Putin and Russia on issues 1, 3 and 4 and sort of agnostic on issue 5; issue 2 is the only one I side with the US on . What I am curious about is if the folk here lambasting Obama are on the US's or Russia's side in these various issues.

So let's do a thought experiment: what if it were a Republican president, wouldn't his policies on these four issues purdee much align with Obama's and the current US government's? After all it was Bush II who started pushing for this missile defense system, and I have no doubt that Bush II would be fighting tooth and nail for American/multinational corporations to be able to control the agricultural market with their GMO, possibly toxic products. I'd also think Bush/Romney/whoever would be just as exercised about Snowden. I'd imagine a Republican would certainly be at odds with Russia over the status of Syria. I'd even say that a Republican president would at least pay lip service to human rights issues. Hence, a Republican president would also likely have cancelled this summit as well. Would you all be kvetching about a Republican president doing this -- particularly a white one? I seriously doubt it.

But like I said before, I'm actually with Putin on 3 out of 5 of these issues, so I'm glad that they're at a political impasse on those three issues, and hence that no summit is going to occur.

That said, I do have some criticisms of the Obama administration over this matter. First, it really does seem like the Snowden business is the straw that broke the summit camel's back, and if that is the case, then this was a very petty move by the US. However, these other issues are actually bigger deals, and I would hope they were the major reasons for not holding the summit. If it was cancelled primarly out of anger about the US losing face over the Snowden affair, then that speaks quite badly for Obamination.

Then there's this issue: why was the summit scheduled anyway, if there was no meeting of the minds on these issues? That does just seem like very bad planning/diplomacy, and I can easily see this coming about because of the craptastic leadership the Obama State Department has had under both Billary and the ketchup-heiress gold-digger, Kerry. That Kerry had been spending all his time on some pie-in-the-sky peace deal between Israel and Palestine, while all the issues with Russia remained unsettled as the summit approached, would seem to show every bad judgement and prioritizing on Kerry's part, as well as pointing to the fact that the hitherto globetrotting Hillary didn't get a lot done on her watch either.

All in all, a very ineffective foreign policy by the Obama administration EXCEPT when it came to pressuring its European lap-dog allies into grounding the airliner carrying the Ecuadorian president for fear it had Eddie Snowden on it too (this would seem to show how ineffective the US's real-time intelligence is, that they didn't know if Snowden was onboard or not). And this last incident has likely caused South American countries to detest the US that much more -- also not a diplomatic victory for Obama and Kerry.

I tend to be in agreement with a lot of the comments in this thread about Obama appearing weak on the global stage. HOWEVER, I also tend to disagree with most US government interests as regards the diplomatic disagreements between the US and Russia. Can all the Obama haters in this thread honestly say the same? If you think Snowden is a criminal/traitor and also support the other US goals with Russia, but still side with Putin against Obama, then you've got severe cognitive dissonance.



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 04:07 AM
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Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
reply to post by MrInquisitive
 


Patriotism is not hinged on ones approval or respect of a president, to think otherwise is... I despise the unqualified bafoon of a man who thinks he is this country's president, this makes me far from unpatriotic, in fact with all truths at hand, my disapproval of this idiot makes me quite patriotic. It is patriotic to shun socialism, marxism, and fascism. Embracing thise beliefs and or this joke of a man makes you unpatriotic and quite unamerican.


Hey, I don't blindly support whoever is president either, but last time I checked, back during the Bush II regime people who were questioning Bush and his cronies on their foreign adventures were labeled as unpatriotic by the right-wing media as well as sometimes by the MSM as well. Remember Phil Donahue losing his show on MSNBC, which was actually getting very high ratings, because he questioned the war policies of Bush and had the audacity to have guests who were against the Iraq war? Remember Bill Maher losing his show on ABC because he said the terrorists crashing themselves into a building with planes or blowing themselves up with suicide vests were braver than dudes in supersonic jets in uncontested airspace or off shore in carrier groups or underwater in nuclear submarines all launching missiles and death from afar? People who even questioned the War Powers Authorization Act or the Patriot Act had their patriotism questioned as well.

Whenever there is a Republican president in power there is the paradigm in affect that partisanship ends at the shore, but when Democratic presidents are in power, it seems that their foreign policies are always questioned and criticized. And there are people in this thread speculating that Obama might have the US boycott the Olympics and if so, the athletes should just ignore and go, and say "screw you" to the president. I personally am all for people saying "screw you" to power, but there are a lot of people in favor of it in this case who would roundly criticize anyone with the temerity to do the same to a president of their preferred political party.

Again, I'm just pointing out this strange double standard of what seems to be a very consistent group of folks, i.e. the reflexively Obama-hating crowd.

My last post in this thread roundly criticized Obama in this kerfluffle with Putin, and Obama's foreign policy record to date, but if the US were to boycott the Winter Olympics and people were openly urging athletes to participate in spite of this and to either literally or figuratively say "screw you" to the president over this matter, I would have to say that I would be a bit taken aback, particularly as such a boycott would likely have a lot to do with Russia's recent draconian anti-homosexual laws. The world ignored the human rights offenses of one bad offender that held the Olympics back in 1936, and I think it would be a travesty to ignore them this time around as well.



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 04:11 AM
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Originally posted by mike dangerously
It's Obama's handlers who canceled the meeting with Putin.Obama like every President since LBJ has been a controlled puppet the role of the President is to just pretend to be CINC and smile and shake hands that's it.Putin knows this.He's not confronting Obama he's confronting his handlers.


You really think LBJ and Nixon were puppets? I don't even think Carter was a puppet. I don't think Bush I was a puppet either; he was a puppet master. Clinton was a scrofulous, toolish politician, but not so much a puppet. Ford, Reagan, Bush II and Obama -- definitely puppets.



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 04:35 AM
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Hey, @Wrabbit, I just wanted to bring to your attention that Lawerence O'Donnell on MSNBC did an amazingly biased job of carrying water for Obama on this issue of Snowden and the tiff between Obama and Putin. He basically pulled a Bill O'Reilly and shouted down a guest who was suggesting that the whole Snowden in Russia thing isn't necessarily all Putin's doing. I've seen O'Donnell confrontational with guests before, but never in such an obviously biased way against a reasonable guest, and where he sided so with the government against a whistleblower. A new low for Lawrence.

In a similar vein Rachel Maddow made her first segment about this dispute, but focused on how Russia pulled the tit-for-tat schtick of permanently preventing 18 Americans (mostly ones associated with the Bush II torture regime) from ever coming to Russia, in response to the US doing so with 18 Russians associated with the detention, death in detention and posthumous trial of some Russian businessman whose jib Putin didn't care for the shape of.

In both cases, however, these two hosts chose to look at every insubstantial issues in this affair, rather than examining the more important underlying issues, and by all means try to make it look like Putin and Russia are being petty and/or causing the problems.

In other words, MSNBC gets its marching orders from the Democratic establishment, not unlike how Fox gets its from the loyal opposition.



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 06:03 AM
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Originally posted by MrInquisitive

Originally posted by FlyersFan
If I were on the olympic team and Obama declared a boycott ... I'd say .. 'screw you' and go under a different flag. I think I remember back when one of the other boycotts happened, the athletes showed up carrying a blank flag or something .....

I think you're all wet about your claim that some US athletes went to the 1980 Olympics.


You are the one who is all wet.


1 - I didn't say 'US athletes'. I just said 'athletes'. We weren't the only ones boycotting.
2 - Read this and educate yourself

National teams participated at the Games under the Olympic flag and by their own athletes - Australia, Andorra, Denmark, Puerto Rico

Nations that competed under their NOC flag Spain, Portugal New Zealand



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 06:08 AM
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Originally posted by MrInquisitive
But hey, when have historical facts ever got in the way of you conservatives and your diatribes?.

1 - You ASSUME I'm a conservative. How comical. You have no idea where I stand on the issues.
2 - Eat crow. You were wrong. But hey, when have historical facts ever got in the way of you liberals and your diatribes? Right back atchya.

Many countries competed at the 1980 Olympics even though there was a boycott going on.
They competed under 'other flags' ... like the Olympic flags.
And yes .. if any politician said 'boycott the olympics' simply because he was an exceptionally
poor politician and was having a meltdown over his own failures (like Obama with Snowden), I would
tell the athletes ... who are supposed to be competing OUTSIDE of politics ... to ignore the
failing politician and go to the Olympics. The Olympics are supposed to bring people together.
And for a NOBEL PEACE PRIZE recipient like Obama to consider boycotting the Olympics
because of his own failings, is just another example of why he doesn't deserve the Peace Prize.


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posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 06:58 AM
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i wish putin would just gut him like a fish & get it over with everybody knows obama is useless & doesnt scare anybody
infact putin could take over the whitehouse & the admin would say its workplace violence.putin is laughing his ass off at our so called leader



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 07:29 AM
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In addition to the points referred to in the article (below) Russia - under the guiding hand of V Putin - also seems to be taking the high ground with respect to Christian moral principles as relates to the art of governing. This is also reflected in the fact that Russia is becoming a more open and free society while at the same time America - under the Marxist flagship of Muslim Obama progressive(ism) is going in the exact opposite direction. Who ever would have thought that they would have seen such a thing as this happening in America?
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posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 09:09 AM
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All this because ONE man decided to tell the true ?
WWWIII?



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 09:17 AM
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Oh, so now you aren't talking about American athletes. Since you were talking about Obama possibly enacting a boycott, and then in your next breath you said you thought some athletes went under a white flag during the last boycott of a Russian/Soviet Olympics, I assumed you were also talking about American athletes. Silly me. I trust you can see how someone might think that was what you were talking about.

Yes, I'm all wet because I pointed out that American athletes didn't ignore the US boycott in 1984, which indeed is a historical fact.

And if you're not a conservative, then you've really fooled me with scores of your posts on political and social matters.



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 10:30 AM
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Thanks for the added perspective! That is helpful and sure confirms the mess we see every day, doesn't it? It seems all the major media is owned by corporate and political masters that simply change for direction and agenda betweeen media companies ...not level of corruption and 'in the bag' reporting. Some from the shadows of the far left and some from the shadows of the far right.

It makes for shadowy garbage either way, huh?
Where is Walter Cronkite when the nation needs one?



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 10:36 AM
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BHO is a weakling - a pussy - a wuz - a brainless one - he is not of this earth - he is not of this civilization - he is a monster creation put together by grave robbing madmen in which he consisted of many disparate parts culled from many dead corpses - very much like the Mary Shelley Frankenstein creature, but with one exception - the Frankenstein of film and book fame actually had a good heart.

I am deadly serious here - he is a monstrous creation!!!

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posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by ERagerz

I am deadly serious here - he is a monstrous creation!!!


And that's why they made him president



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