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reply to post by Aliquandro
This is a terribly touchy subject for some, it has affected me greatly and I know the resentment shows. There are no more careers in my industry, none, just temp jobs.
Originally posted by Aliquandro
Oh Brotherman, what a nice thread to let me vent in. This is a topic I have some experience in. S+F sir!
I have been contracting in the tech industry in Washington state for about 14 years now. The whole 1 year contract then UI then look for work and contract again works for me as an artist; I just want a mindless job that gives me time to paint and pays the bills until the art finally can (hopefully).
My first contract was for microsoft in Redmond, working for a huge agency that staffed thousands, and made easily 100% markup on my hourly wage and offered optional mediocre healthcare at a lousy cost, and i started around $15/hr with options for TONS of OT, and a raise every 6 months based on evaluation. There were so many people there making tons of money and it showed, but it wasn't the contractors doing the majority of the work. The very last contract there they were starting to outsource their testing to china.
5 years later I worked for cingular and they were even worse, the agencies out there were making more, jobs payed great, but the work was a JOKE. Nothing made sense and the product was essentially hip hop answertones, what!? AT&T bought them out right before I actually bailed on my contract once I realized how underpaid I was. They were outsourcing their testing to china as well as india, and hired many unskilled, underpaid workers with work visas locally. My first month at that job I heard more car alarms going off because disgruntled ex-workers were keying manager's cars. The most popular car in the lot at that time was either a humvee or dodge monster truck. My agency was violating so many moral and legal codes I had to leave.
Then I went on to contract for few other mainstream agencies outsourcing to giants like MS, or at least in business because of that crappy operating system. Most of these agencies outsourced to other countries, mostly india and china.
Currently I am in probably the worst contract I've had yet, making less than my very first contract (no insurance/benefits/option for FT), working for one of the richest companies yet, and rhymes with bugle. I think I might know why they are so rich. The majority of grunt work is done by outsourced and underpaid contractors.... ME! The image of the average employee at this company is that of someone overpaid and treated like a king. This is entirely not the case in the current scheme at this sweatshop. I work in a cubicle environment worse than I've ever experienced. The hardware is inadequate and mistreated, the management is disfunctional and clueless, the internal app is confusing clunky and has no documantation. They have no idea how to process a bug or truly communicate in an effective manner, and they have bizarre policies that are updated as frequently as their unstable software. They are HEAVILY dependent on outsourcing to india.
This industry is going in a bad direction fast and I am focusing as much energy as I have on my art and other skills that apply to a real world (like cooking, farming). I am not burning my bridges but seriously this tech job industry well is drying up fast.
Contracting agencies made out like bandits from day one, guaranteed.
Originally posted by Brotherman
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan
I know a lot of welders that left Texas to work either in North Dakota on the Bakken or here into PA because of the marcellus shale natural gas boom going on in North PA because the pay is a lot better. A guy I would work for was a Texan cool guy to work with. Hell Ill be starting a new welding job on Tuesday building robotic and automated equipment for industrial applications, More or less setting up a new plant I am pretty stoked about. Maybe I will make a thread about it after there for awhile and call it, How to build a robot lol
Originally posted by dave_welch
reply to post by CornShucker
Yeah, I've had several jobs like that, unfortunately they're usually through a temp agency, so it never lasts long. I'd do that for $11.78 an hour though, no problem. Even with my knees as screwed as they are, I'd love to make that kind of money.
Originally posted by jaxnmarko
reply to post by Brotherman
Fast food jobs or cheap retail jobs or low skilled jobs easily filled by high school kids were never meant to be a career, never meant to be a successful job that can give you a car, a house, a future.... those jobs were meant to be summer jobs for kids, extra income, side jobs.... they don't require much skill so don't pay much.
People expecting to make good money for a crappy jobs would be better off spending some time gaining education or skills in Specifically Targeted Areas! Libraries are still free. Tech schools can be a good place to start. Or a crappy job that actually has a way of getting ahead if you put in the time. Fast food working is NOT that. Some temp jobs do pay decently and have a possibility of becoming a more permanent job, but if your job skills are just what you learned in the Marines, then I guess it depends on what they taught you. Tech? Killing people? Medical? Not all skills translate to the civilian world, but that's where you have to make it.
Anyone that thinks they are going to afford to live by working at Burger King is delusional. There is a reason the pay sucks.... its still supply and demand. A lot of people can do the job there. Possibly even a chimp. Low skill, low pay. Too many people wanting the same crappy job, low pay. Management has the upper hand when there are a lot of people out of work. Sometimes you have to be creative and find your own niche and make your own job.
I'm not sure what job skills you have, but being a Marine may be irrelevant to getting a job. It's not an excuse, its something you have done in your past. You were paid for it, accepted it beforehand, and now you are out. If you didn't gain good skills in the military that can be used as a civilian, don't have GI benefits for getting good skills, then you will have to do it on your own. We didn't NEED to be in Iraq or Afghanistan for as long as we were there. You didn't NEED to be a Marine, you made a choice, spent time there, and now you are out. But now you NEED to have decent skills to get a decent job to make decent pay to have a decent life. If your area is in bad shape, move. There are 4 pages of help wanted in my town. Some are crappy, some have potential for a future. The skills are the difference.
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
I know things in this country are bad when I firmly believe that Putin is more concerned with his people than Obama is with the average American. Obama IS concerned with those that aren't legal citizens, and those too lazy to work, and people like Al Sharpton, but the average middle class family can go to hell, as far as Obama is concerned.