If created perfect as scriptures say, why would we need salvation?

If created perfect as scriptures say, why would we need salvation?

Did the Christian God create us sick and order us to be well?

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Salvation can only be had by believers if they embrace barbaric human sacrifice and a God who will immorally have his own son murdered as a sacrifice to forgive sin when other more moral ways are preached in scriptures.

Matthew 7:17,18
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Matthew 12:33
Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

Christians would have us think that God, the good tree, --- produced corrupt fruit. Scriptures say that that is not possible. If you believe scriptures that say God is perfect that is.

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect:

If God creates perfect works and souls, how can man not be perfect?

If perfect, why would we need salvation?

Regards
DL

Originally posted by Greatest I am
If created perfect as scriptures say, why would we need salvation?

Perfection requires wholeness, and wholeness must include imperfection or it is incomplete.

So, perfection without an imperfection is not really perfection.

"Most true things are stated in paradoxes." -Lao Tzu

Read Genesis. I will give you a hint free will and sin.

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Read about the fall of man. You will get your answers.

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ha, you just beat me to it.

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Edgar Allen Poe - Mesmeric Revelation

P. But to what good end is pain thus rendered possible?

V. All things are either good or bad by comparison. A sufficient analysis will show that pleasure, in all cases, is but the contrast of pain. Positive pleasure is a mere idea. To be happy at any one point we must have suffered at the same. Never to suffer would have been never to have been blessed. But it has been shown that, in the inorganic life, pain cannot be thus the necessity for the organic. The pain of the primitive life of Earth, is the sole basis of the bliss of the ultimate life in Heaven.

Originally posted by Greatest I am
If created perfect as scriptures say, why would we need salvation?

A conundrum!

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My copy of the bible (KJV) states that God thought the creation of man was 'very good' not 'perfect'

Can you tell me which translation states it was perfect? Im not disputing it , just interested.

Originally posted by Keeper of Kheb
Read Genesis. I will give you a hint free will and sin.

He has.

Standard issue mainstream responses such as yours and others, despite the unwarranted stars they get, won't impress the OP much, I wager. But hey keep trying if that's what floats yer boat.

/shrug

Originally posted by greavsie1971
reply to post by MuMuMu

 

My copy of the bible (KJV) states that God thought the creation of man was 'very good' not 'perfect'

Can you tell me which translation states it was perfect? I'm not disputing it , just interested.

I have no idea. I do not believe in the fallen man concept nor most of the Bible. It is not my experience spiritually, personally and clinically that there exists nothing except imperfect, improving souls.

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If he wants to know the answer, what better place to look. Makes perfect sense.

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Sorry my bad, that reply was meant for the OP.

Originally posted by MuMuMu

Originally posted by greavsie1971
reply to post by MuMuMu

 

My copy of the bible (KJV) states that God thought the creation of man was 'very good' not 'perfect'

Can you tell me which translation states it was perfect? I'm not disputing it , just interested.

I have no idea. I do not believe in the fallen man concept nor most of the Bible. It is not my experience spiritually, personally and clinically that there exists nothing except imperfect, improving souls.

Spiritualist?

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NO No NO No!


CPT

You need to start at the beginning not in the middle or the end of the bible. God created man and woman perfectly yet they were seduced by the serpent (satan) and fell from grace. Christ was not murdered as you say He laid His life down as a perfect sacrifice. He laid it down and took it back up again. Those who are carnally minded cannot perceive spiritual things.

Originally posted by BlueMule

Originally posted by Greatest I am
If created perfect as scriptures say, why would we need salvation?

Perfection requires wholeness, and wholeness must include imperfection or it is incomplete.

So, perfection without an imperfection is not really perfection.

"Most true things are stated in paradoxes." -Lao Tzu

edit on 5-8-2013 by BlueMule because: (no reason given)

Not sure if I agree but what do you see as perfect God's imperfection?

Regards
DL

Originally posted by Keeper of Kheb
Read Genesis. I will give you a hint free will and sin.

A perfect Adam did a perfect sin. Is that what you mean or did your perfect God do the perfect sin when he murdered A & E by neglect the first time they used or did their will instead of God's?

Don't hide boy, everyone is watching you.

Give a coherent answer if you are capable.

Regards
DL

Originally posted by greavsie1971
reply to post by Greatest I am

 

Read about the fall of man. You will get your answers.

Genesis is a Jewish myth and they do not have a fall of man or original sin.

The church invented those for your money.

Regards
DL

Originally posted by greavsie1971
reply to post by MuMuMu

 

My copy of the bible (KJV) states that God thought the creation of man was 'very good' not 'perfect'

Can you tell me which translation states it was perfect? Im not disputing it , just interested.

If God created you then you are one of his works. What is wrong with the quote in the O P.

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect:

Can an omni-max God do less than perfect?

Regards
DL