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Anonymous Web-host shut down, owner arrested; Tor users compromised by Javascript exploit

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posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 03:23 AM
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Dont use TOR!
because it just use'd for kiddy porn, big crime and terrorists.
Thats what the CIA says........

they just DONT want you to use it.
and you do Just as they want them to.
now they tell you they can SEE you on TOR.
and you fall for it?

use linux and TOR. NO Java.
in the last two years java has got 3 times as big?
you know why now.




posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 04:10 AM
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this is a poor shoddy attempt at a character assassination. especially at the time the nsa plans to do more spying, possible terror threats at every major city. people being adivsed not to protest, being encouraged to stay in their homes. how much longer will the masses be under the black sleep of the kali ma? a doom is befalling us as we are concearning ourselves with foolish scandal whilst wolves in the night seep from yonder darkness. beware of thulsa doom
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posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 04:11 AM
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Interesting. It should keep the twits out then.

I mean, if you use tor and still enable _javascript, then you're defeating the entire purpose.

Ever bundled browser that was intended for tor has had _javascript disabled or entirely removed.

So.. snuck in? or turned on? either way, not your average tor user I'd guess.

Also, bitcoin eh? They use real money too, that devious shonky currency that criminals use all the time. buying and selling drugs, people, kittens, you name it. real money can buy it.. lets stare at it and twirl our moustaches. It's sinister.



posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 04:24 AM
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it keeps legitimate businesses from prospering with all the criminality of it nor does constant monitoring. slows down some yes but it drives them into being craftier in their methods



posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 04:53 AM
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In rereading this thread, I'm not sure that a casual reader would understand what TOR actually is - and the reasons for opting to use it.

For the laypersons - TOR is simply a web browser that comes per-configured for privacy and security - along with a tool that will connect it to a proxy network. This proxy network allows you to surf websites without those host computers being able to see your unique Internet "address" ( Your IP ).

As covered, TOR is infamous in the sense that it is the browser of choice for many folks with nefarious or criminal interests. But that isn't the whole story. TOR helps people in Internet censored nations safely access content that their governments restrict or block... This is NO small issue - as there are countries that arrest citizens for accessing forbidden URLs ( cough cough CHINA cough cough ). It is also a tool used by the more nervous types who are afraid that every website they visit is data mining them for nefarious purposes ( Actually, not so paranoid as just about all websites ARE doing this... but primarily for marketing reasons ).

So, we catch a kiddie porn perv or three ( which is a good thing ), but at what cost? Is the dissident blogger in Saudi Arabia or China now going to get outted and end up in a prison or camp for the remainder of his or her life?

That is the most pressing moral issue here, but there are many others.

In the long run, if you are a person who surfs ATS, Listverse, the Yahoo "celebrity news"... and your search history is filled with innocent queries for things like recipes, local theater schedules, Facebook, etc... You really don't need TOR - it's overkill. There are specific encryption programs that you can use for the few things you might want to keep private, like emails or instant messages - or the folders containing such things.



posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 05:03 AM
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Thats a very good summary



posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 05:15 AM
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Tor was never a perfect system; there is no method to achieve 100% anonymity on the Internet due to the way it has evolved, in my opinion. There are simply too many servers and network nodes with logs to completely eliminate the possibility of someone having access connecting all the dots, however improbable it may be. And given that Tor was open-source in the sense that it's very operation depended on end-level users enabling routing through their own servers and systems, an incident as this was bound to happen sooner or later.

But does that mean that Tor is useless as an online anonymity tool? Absolutely not. If anything, this breach should serve as a wake-up call to lax users and trigger an evolution of the software to preclude such a thing from happening again. Tor is not perfect but it is all we have for now. If you use Tor I think you should continue to use it but be responsible of your own contributions to it's stability and security by making your own end-point connection is as secure as possible.

And I find the connection between child pornographers and Tor to be a very weak one, personally. Yes, child pornographers use Tor; they also use email, peer-to-peer software, private FTP servers and even sneakernet transfers using CD's and memory sticks through regular postal mail. It doesn't mean we should do away with a service that has a useful purpose for people around the world. The child porn cry has been used time and time again when government wishes to restrict online activity in some manner, and this is no different.

I ran a Tor router on my Linux system for some time but my slow DSL connection was just not suited for the task, but I will soon be getting a fiber optic Internet connection with tons of bandwidth and am considering donating some of it to the Tor network again. I still have faith in it as a tool for fighting oppressive anti-privacy regimes not only at home but abroad.



posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 06:24 AM
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Originally posted by Aazadan
There's another issue here that everyone is missing. The guy arrested was in Ireland and not a US citizen. It was the FBI that arrested him.


It wasn't the FBI, he is being detained pending the outcome of an extradition order from the FBI.
Not that it matters much but the guy has dual, US and Irish citizenship.

Extract;
"Marques has been held in custody until next Thursday until the extradition request has been determined."

crime.ie...

As for security, or things like the FBI/CIA/NCTC are saying it's useless to use secure hosting just so they can keep us all in line, it's probably true, but not because all these fecking agencies say that, but because if you want to hack something, it could be done. This article from, "Wired" is a uncomplicated explanation as to why, I reccommend everyone read it, just to see how prosaic and simple your 'secure' system can be entered.

www.wired.com...

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posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 08:02 AM
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I was considering buying prescription painkillers from the 'silk road' website on Tor last winter. Boy am I glad I didn't LOL.



posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
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I have a question and it's a sincere one.

Isn't the whole concept of anonymity just about blown to pieces once you've made payment for the VPN? I imagine we're not talking about meeting someone face to face in a dark alley somewhere to hand over untraceable cash, right? So, how isn't it signing your name at the VPN stage by the payment process?

As recent cases have shown? The USG can and will raid operations just about anywhere in the world on things like this. Europe..Asia.. doesn't seem to matter or give people running large P2P or other services any security for their own side of it.

Point being..the VPN wouldn't have to willingly compromise anyone. They just need the shock and awe of a tactical team kicking their doors and seizing everything related to a computer in sight...don't they?


Hi Wrabbit! That's why your choice in VPN is so paramount. Many VPN's run their services dynamically on VPS (Virtual Private Servers) and have no logging implemented. So, even if the VPN service has your name, and your credit card, there is way to associate you to an IP address.

Also, many VPN vendors accept BitCoin as payment. BitCoins are anonymous (cannot be traced to the person who used them, all it contains are ledger information (transaction history) so the currency cannot be forged).
In addition to BitCoins, you could go to any supermarket and buy a prepaid card, visa card, etc and use that as payment.

Hope that helps

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posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by Xaphan
I was considering buying prescription painkillers from the 'silk road' website on Tor last winter. Boy am I glad I didn't LOL.


Even IF the Feds had your IP address via the _javascript vulnerability, they could not associate your purchase of whatever items on silk road to YOU. You could have been just visiting the silk road, like I have many times just to see the mryiad of items they are offering.

There is no way (unless you are under investigation and complete surveillance) to associate what you purchase on SR with your IP address if they even had it. All purchases on SR are with BitCoins and all information is encrypted via PGP, and bitcoins cannot be traced back to you personally. Combine your TOR experience with a private VPN and some BitCoins or other prepaid electronic medium that you purchase with cash and you are 99.99999% garaunteed privacy / security.



posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 02:35 PM
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he only wanted kerosine or gasoline so he could heat his house or run his generator.

"Currency" is only worth something if someone values it. In an emergency, water, canned goods, bullets, gasoline are all worth way more than any fiat currency.


See there you go making my point for me. I don't see you listed bitcoin in that scenario at all did you? while it is true some people may not accept cash, others will. I am not in favor of paper money, but the fact it exists in a physical state not virtual and can be used without power makes it more stable by default. In fact the only real common purpose I see for the use of bitcoin is to be redeemed for items of questionable legality on these black market underground sites people have been referring to.


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posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by DYepes


he only wanted kerosine or gasoline so he could heat his house or run his generator.

"Currency" is only worth something if someone values it. In an emergency, water, canned goods, bullets, gasoline are all worth way more than any fiat currency.


See there you go making my point for me. I don't see you listed bitcoin in that scenario at all did you? while it is true some people may not accept cash, others will. I am not in favor of paper money, but the fact it exists in a physical state not virtual and can be used without power makes it more stable by default. In fact the only real common purpose I see for the use of bitcoin is to be redeemed for items of questionable legality on these black market underground sites people have been referring to.


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You both are confusing two different systems. In an emergency, you trade usable goods for other usable goods. That concept is called bartering. The most simplistic type of economic activity.

In real economies, we use something called Currency which, by it's very definition, typically is neutral in its intrinsic value but derives inferred value by those willing to accept it in trade for more of it or for other goods.

People commonly think of Gold as a currency, but it is not. It cannot be because it has intrinsic AND derived value (albiet not half as much as food or ammo). Because gold is desirable, it is in demand - thus giving it derived value (obviously derived from those who desire to possess it). People also forget that Gold is much more useful now then it ever was when it was being used as a currency. Almost all metals have much more value to us, as a society because we use them to manufacture many desirable electronic and industrial items that just wasn't possible in the Roman ages.

When you start to understand this concept, the usefulness of BitCoin becomes clearer. It's just a medium of transaction. If you're hoarding bitcoins, your taking just as much risk as if you were hoarding cash. If the economy collapses, all that cash is worthless and it's only value will be to keep you warm while you burn it.

If you feel bartering is your preferred system of economic activity - so be it. Just be aware that you may or may not having something someone else wants to trade you. This is why we invented Currency.



posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 06:27 PM
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I thought that my motherboard was preventing my computer from booting up last night, so I replaced it.
I was reluctant to make the change because I thought that the web sites I go to would not recognize it, such as this one here, ATS, where I would have to go through painful re-logging in everywhere.
Surprisingly, everything so far is as if nothing changed.
Seems that you are recognized by your IP given ID, rather than your ethernet connector device on the motherboard.
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posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 09:13 PM
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Nah I understand. I was simply saying that cash has no more value than bitcoin when it hits the fan like that. Placing more value in one "currency" over another is like deeming one pile of # more pleasant than another.

I have been burned out of years worth of work for buying into the real estate market currency. Was supposed to be the safest ever, every bluecollar guy I know that was able to retire before they croaked was because they invested in and renovated a house, then resold it when they wanted to retire.
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posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 11:36 PM
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compare gos s#t to rabbit s#t you can fertilize your garden more readily with rabbit s#t dude was obviously trying to create rabbit s#t in a world of dog s#t but always the dovermans get into the rabbit shed and kill all your rabbits so you eat the dovermans and whaddya got? human s#t i'd rather have a slice of fried gold myself
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posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 11:50 PM
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I can fertilize my garden more readily with seaweed and compost, I don't need poop at all



posted on Aug, 7 2013 @ 12:11 AM
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you should try rabbit dung. my tomatoes flourish. i like gold as a currency myself. seaweed? i could give it a try



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